The last 8 Art Ross scoring champs now battling for the Art Ross and MVP.

[McFlash97]

1 through 4. Place your bets.

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[Dingo]

McDavid
Kucherov
Crosby
Malkin

but Crosby could beat Kucherov, and maybe more, if he ever had his mythical 'healthy season at peak'

 

[Jumptheshark]

for those curious--last few winners--

Nikita Kucherov current pts 54 3rd in league
Connor McDavid current pts 54 as well
Leon Draisaitl current pts 56 for 2nd


since 16/17 those 3 are the only ones to win it

Nathan MacKinnon leads the league in pts with 61
Mikko Rantanen tied at 3rd with 54
Mitch Marner next with 51
Kyle Connor with 51 as well

 

[DearDiary]

McDavid
Kucherov
Crosby
Malkin

but Crosby could beat Kucherov, and maybe more, if he ever had his mythical 'healthy season at peak'

Near retirement Crosby is 1 point behind Kucherov in 5on5 points this season, while Kucherov's most common linemates are Guentzal and Point. Crosby would absolutely beat Kucherov if he had the season you're referring to today.

 

[Venzio X]

Near retirement Crosby is 1 point behind Kucherov in 5on5 points this season, while Kucherov's most common linemates are Guentzal and Point. Crosby would absolutely beat Kucherov if he had the season you're referring to today.

Kucherov has played 7 games less than Crosby this season lol

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

McDavid has 44 points in his last 23 games. Barring injuries, it will be his.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

McDavid has 44 points in his last 23 games. Barring injuries, it will be his.

And MacK has 46 in 28 games to McDavid's 48.

 

[Fishy McScales]

And MacK has 46 in 28 games to McDavid's 48.

I think the point of that subset was to illustrate McDavid's production trending more upwards than MacKinnon's.

On the flip side of that, McDavid hasn't looked great the last 5-8 games or so. Lots of flubbed passes, pucks rolling off his stick, no confidence in his shot or dekes alone with the goalie etc. Hopefully just his yearly cold, he usually picks it up sometime after the holidays.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I think the point of that subset was to illustrate McDavid's production trending more upwards than MacKinnon's.

On the flip side of that, McDavid hasn't looked great the last 5-8 games or so. Lots of flubbed passes, pucks rolling off his stick, no confidence in his shot or dekes alone with the goalie etc. Hopefully just his yearly cold, he usually picks it up sometime after the holidays.

I get it, but it's all artibtrary to the time picked. Player being hot, team playing well, etc. McDavid has this narrative on this forum that once he starts scoring he's never going to stop and he'll just accelerate until he passes everyone.

My point was to show he's not really doing much better than MacK and nothing is certain even if both remain healthy.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I get it, but it's all artibtrary to the time picked. Player being hot, team playing well, etc. McDavid has this narrative on this forum that once he starts scoring he's never going to stop and he'll just accelerate until he passes everyone.

My point was to show he's not really doing much better than MacK and nothing is certain even if both remain healthy.

True, we heard the same thing last year and he never caught up, although last year he was so obviously playing hurt that I don't know how well it compares.

 

[The Panther]

I think Connor McDavid will win it. Draisaitl has been the Oilers' best player, overall, so far this season, but even playing as consistently great as he has, he's still behind McDavid in PPG.

MacKinnon is the "winner" so far, but as of today he's only 0.02 PPG ahead of McDavid, who is almost back on form since late November. But I still think he has another gear. (MacKinnon's huge number of empty-net points, as noted in another thread, is, in probability, unlikly to continue through the second half as well.)

Kucherov cannot be counted out, and I think he technically has the PPG edge at present. But I dunno, I feel like he's a bit older and the Lightning will be riding him a bit less this season.
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On a somewhat separate note, I think we can now say with some certainly that McDavid (we already knew his status), MacKinnon, Kucherov, and Draisaitl are all making claims to be among the greatest NHL forwards of all time.

 

[DitchMarner]

Near retirement Crosby is 1 point behind Kucherov in 5on5 points this season, while Kucherov's most common linemates are Guentzal and Point. Crosby would absolutely beat Kucherov if he had the season you're referring to today.

Near retirement Crosby isn't that worse (offensively) than the Crosby of the last number of years. 2018-2019 is the best offensive season he's had in the last like eight years and Kucherov outscored him by a wide margin that year.

Yeah, he scored a ton of PP points that season as well. He's extremely productive on the Power Play. It's one of the reasons he's so good offensively.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Near retirement Crosby isn't that worse (offensively) than the Crosby of the last number of years. 2018-2019 is the best offensive season he's had in the last like eight years and Kucherov outscored him by a wide margin that year.

Yeah, he scored a ton of PP points that season as well. He's extremely productive on the Power Play. It's one of the reasons he's so good offensively.

Prime Crosby(07-14) would be killing this league, let's be real. It's not a surprise that a lot of the current stars broke out in 17-18, the exact year goalie pads were reduced, scoring spiked, and pp percentages increased significantly across the board.

Ppg leaders from 06-07 to 13-14

1. Crosby 1.42
2. Malkin 1.22
3. Ovechkin 1.18
4. St Louis 1.07
5. Thornton 1.05
6. Datsyuk 1.04
7. Stamkos 1.04
8. Spezza 1.03
9. Sedin 1.02
10. Zetterberg 1.01

Ppg leaders from 17-18 to present

1. McDavid 1.61
2. Kucherov 1.47
3. Mackinnon 1.43
4. Draisaitl 1.36
5. Panarin 1.23
6. Kaprizov 1.22
7. Rantanen 1.21
8. Matthews 1.20
9. Pastrnak 1.18
10. Marner 1.17
11. Crosby 1.15 (at 30-37 yo)

It's a much softer and higher scoring game now, totally different scoring environment for stars. Cheap shots have been eliminated too, when Crosby was taking them pretty much nightly in his prime.

 

[McFlash97]

Prime Crosby(07-14) would be killing this league, let's be real. It's not a surprise that a lot of the current stars broke out in 17-18, the exact year goalie pads were reduced, scoring spiked, and pp percentages increased significantly across the board.

Ppg leaders from 06-07 to 13-14

1. Crosby 1.42
2. Malkin 1.22
3. Ovechkin 1.18
4. St Louis 1.07
5. Thornton 1.05
6. Datsyuk 1.04
7. Stamkos 1.04
8. Spezza 1.03
9. Sedin 1.02
10. Zetterberg 1.01

Ppg leaders from 17-18 to present

1. McDavid 1.61
2. Kucherov 1.47
3. Mackinnon 1.43
4. Draisaitl 1.36
5. Panarin 1.23
6. Kaprizov 1.22
7. Rantanen 1.21
8. Matthews 1.20
9. Pastrnak 1.18
10. Marner 1.17
11. Crosby 1.15 (at 30-37 yo)

It's a much softer and higher scoring game now, totally different scoring environment for stars. Cheap shots have been eliminated too, when Crosby was taking them pretty much nightly in his prime.

Thanks for proving your point. Prime Crosby wasn't as good as Prime McDavid. McDavids PPG is also getting higher. Sky's the limit
McDavid also gets more cheap shots laid on him, less powerplays, refs are calling less hooking and holding bcz they fear his insane PP prowess. Just because he doesn't whine and cry like Crosby used to doesn't give the edge to Sid there too.

Next.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Thanks for proving your point. Prime Crosby wasn't as good as Prime McDavid. McDavids PPG is also getting higher. Sky's the limit
McDavid also gets more cheap shots laid on him, less powerplays, refs are calling less hooking and holding bcz they fear his insane PP prowess. Just because he doesn't whine and cry like Crosby used to doesn't give the edge to Sid there too.

Next.

Prime Crosby would be top 3 every year in the scoring race, and would probably win a few art rosses. Not knocking McDavid so no need to be defensive. He's amazing, it's a shame he's stuck on an incompetent franchise.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Prime Crosby would be top 3 every year in the scoring race, and would probably win a few art rosses. Not knocking McDavid so no need to be defensive. He's amazing, it's a shame he's stuck on an incompetent franchise.

Luigi Lemieux: Calls cup finalist an incompetent franchise.

Also Luigi Lemieux: Wonders why people get defensive.

Btw thanks for clarifying that there are no cheapshots on McDavid, I've clearly been living a lie.

 

[McFlash97]

Prime Crosby would be top 3 every year in the scoring race, and would probably win a few art rosses. Not knocking McDavid so no need to be defensive. He's amazing, it's a shame he's stuck on an incompetent franchise.

Yes our GMs have been incompetent no doubt. Don't disagree with u there. And no im not knocking Crosby too one of the all time Goats.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Prime Crosby(07-14) would be killing this league, let's be real. It's not a surprise that a lot of the current stars broke out in 17-18, the exact year goalie pads were reduced, scoring spiked, and pp percentages increased significantly across the board.

Ppg leaders from 06-07 to 13-14

1. Crosby 1.42
2. Malkin 1.22
3. Ovechkin 1.18
4. St Louis 1.07
5. Thornton 1.05
6. Datsyuk 1.04
7. Stamkos 1.04
8. Spezza 1.03
9. Sedin 1.02
10. Zetterberg 1.01

Ppg leaders from 17-18 to present

1. McDavid 1.61
2. Kucherov 1.47
3. Mackinnon 1.43
4. Draisaitl 1.36
5. Panarin 1.23
6. Kaprizov 1.22
7. Rantanen 1.21
8. Matthews 1.20
9. Pastrnak 1.18
10. Marner 1.17
11. Crosby 1.15 (at 30-37 yo)

It's a much softer and higher scoring game now, totally different scoring environment for stars. Cheap shots have been eliminated too, when Crosby was taking them pretty much nightly in his prime.

I find it a bit disingenuous to count from 17-18 when goalie equipment was changed in 2019.

McDavid's PPG is 1.69 from 19-20 onwards. Doubt Crosby would be this high.

 

[DitchMarner]

Prime Crosby(07-14) would be killing this league, let's be real. It's not a surprise that a lot of the current stars broke out in 17-18, the exact year goalie pads were reduced, scoring spiked, and pp percentages increased significantly across the board.

Ppg leaders from 06-07 to 13-14

1. Crosby 1.42
2. Malkin 1.22
3. Ovechkin 1.18
4. St Louis 1.07
5. Thornton 1.05
6. Datsyuk 1.04
7. Stamkos 1.04
8. Spezza 1.03
9. Sedin 1.02
10. Zetterberg 1.01

Ppg leaders from 17-18 to present

1. McDavid 1.61
2. Kucherov 1.47
3. Mackinnon 1.43
4. Draisaitl 1.36
5. Panarin 1.23
6. Kaprizov 1.22
7. Rantanen 1.21
8. Matthews 1.20
9. Pastrnak 1.18
10. Marner 1.17
11. Crosby 1.15 (at 30-37 yo)

It's a much softer and higher scoring game now, totally different scoring environment for stars. Cheap shots have been eliminated too, when Crosby was taking them pretty much nightly in his prime.

Scoring is definitely up. No doubt about that. But I think there's also more high-end talent in the League now compared to Crosby's prime. The top guys offensively in his prime were him, Malkin and Ovechkin. Ovechkin fell off as an overall point producer near the middle of that period but continued scoring goals at a highly impressive rate.

McDavid has usually won the Art Ross in his prime, but Kucherov has outscored him twice. There were guys who outscored Crosby in his prime (Ovechkin, Malkin, Henrik Sedin). I don't see why prime Kucherov couldn't have given him a run for his money some years and outscored him at times.

Adjusted points in Kucherov's best years look really strong (140, 131 for this incomplete season 128). I do think peak Crosby might have been able to outscore him, but it would have been pretty close.

 

[Regal]

I think it’ll be another relatively close one but with Drai added to the mix this year. I suspect McDavid will end up winning the Art Ross, then Kuch, MacKinnon and Drai finishing 2-4, but I think Kuch has a leg up on the Hart vote, as he again has the biggest gap between him and the number 2 on his team (I think this is overrated but it brought up a lot), and there might be a feeling of him losing out last year despite a year that wins 90% of the time.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I get it, but it's all artibtrary to the time picked. Player being hot, team playing well, etc. McDavid has this narrative on this forum that once he starts scoring he's never going to stop and he'll just accelerate until he passes everyone.

My point was to show he's not really doing much better than MacK and nothing is certain even if both remain healthy.

Fact is, McDavid is the one player who's maintained close to 2 ppg for the longest periods, on multiple occasions, doing it for almost an entire season, so this trend has more probability to be maintained by McDavid, than any other player.

 

[benfranklin]

True, we heard the same thing last year and he never caught up, although last year he was so obviously playing hurt that I don't know how well it compares.

"obviously"

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I find it a bit disingenuous to count from 17-18 when goalie equipment was changed in 2019.

McDavid's PPG is 1.69 from 19-20 onwards. Doubt Crosby would be this high.

Actually we're both wrong, they were changed in 2018 prior to the 18-19 season.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And MacK has 46 in 28 games to McDavid's 48.

elite empty-net producer

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Fact is, McDavid is the one player who's maintained close to 2 ppg for the longest periods, on multiple occasions, doing it for almost an entire season, so this trend has more probability to be maintained by McDavid, than any other player.

Sure, I have no argument with that. But you and many posters here have a habit of crowning him before he's done anything in an individual season to warrant it. And then defend it like it's anything more than a random sampling. It's exhausting. So I decided to respond with an equally nostradomous projection of points over an arbitrary period of games.