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The 'I called it' and 'What was I thinking' thread

What was I thinking: I truly believed that Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson would be an effective line. Clarkson's net presence combined with cycle game of Lupul and Kadri hypothetically seemed very enticing. What actually happened is very little cycle and I hardly saw Clarkson end up in front of the net for rebound goals.
 
Milan90 said:
Your last link works toward my point. That dumb quote gets misattributed to great minds and it masks how annoyingly dumb the quote is.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

ANother reason why one shouldn't just use google or wikipedia lol. touche
 
leafstilldeath said:
Dude Grabo had better possession numbers than any of our centers. In Sutters own words:

I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in Jacques’s system is a bunch of bull-crap. The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone they they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play,†said Sutter.

Name me one season where our 1st line isn't chasing the puck in our own zone?

And yes our team played a flawed game last season and this season no disagreement there. Carlyle is the one to be blamed. Its a shame that fat pig Nonis is blind and oblivious to this fact.


Anyway, dont wanna get into the whole grabo-bozo thing. Its the thing of the past, management blew it
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Grabo CMac and Komarov were pretty good at possessing the puck or getting possession. Randy was not keen on those guys also Liles who was good that way.

The loss of those players is indeed the reason why we failed ultimately.

Clarkson
Raymond
Franson
Ranger to a lesser extent
Rielly swear was not ready but adapted by 50 games in.
Mc
Mc
Orr

All the above, terrible terrible players even if MayRay gets points and of course Rielly is exempt though needs more developing on his shot an reads.

Getting the proper staff to replace the above alone will go a long way.
 
thewave said:
Grabo CMac and Komarov were pretty good at possessing the puck or getting possession. Randy was not keen on those guys also Liles who was good that way.

The loss of those players is indeed the reason why we failed ultimately.

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I dont entirely agree, personally, MacArthur is definitely better than MayRay as he was much more important in pressure situations and had chemistry with the rest of the group. MayRay put up points in bunches but he was emotionless, just an empty player.

Komarov was liked by Randy, I dont know where youre getting that and he's a great it for our bottom 6.

Grabo yes had good posession numbers but didnt do anything with that posession, if we can get a good posession player thats actually GOOD then it'd be a step in the right direction.

I think Komarov and Mac were more important to the team last year, and their game never really got replaced. Grabo didnt fit the team at all, and being a puck hog doesnt always help your team if you arent scoring from it.

You could also add that we didnt have a frattin this year, he got called up and went on a 5-6 game goal streak that ended up with 3-4 more wins for us while Lupul was injured.

So essentially we lacked scoring depth, our bottom 6 was useless and our secondary players werent nearly as good.

I dont blame the top line at all, our bottom 6 was horrific this year and you need all 4 lines to be good to win, not just one like with us or NYI had.
 
rdawg1234 said:
I dont entirely agree, personally, MacArthur is definitely better than MayRay as he was much more important in pressure situations and had chemistry with the rest of the group. MayRay put up points in bunches but he was emotionless, just an empty player.

Komarov was liked by Randy, I dont know where youre getting that and he's a great it for our bottom 6.

Grabo yes had good posession numbers but didnt do anything with that posession, if we can get a good posession player thats actually GOOD then it'd be a step in the right direction.

I think Komarov and Mac were more important to the team last year, and their game never really got replaced. Grabo didnt fit the team at all, and being a puck hog doesnt always help your team if you arent scoring from it.

You could also add that we didnt have a frattin this year, he got called up and went on a 5-6 game goal streak that ended up with 3-4 more wins for us while Lupul was injured.

So essentially we lacked scoring depth, our bottom 6 was useless and our secondary players werent nearly as good.

I dont blame the top line at all, our bottom 6 was horrific this year and you need all 4 lines to be good to win, not just one like with us or NYI had.
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With all due respect. Grabo was a 50-60 pt guy before Carlyle. Cmac about the same both players disliked him and he dislike them. He benched CMac and of course Liles (whom I happened to like)

Komarov was probably liked an caused his fair share of turnovers through the destruction of opposition. They would literally bail out on plays.

Grabo, you say was a puck hog and last year you would be correct. If you look at much of the footage though nobody was fast enough or capable to be in position to finish the plays. He was very often left to leisure skate for nothing get slammed and turn over the puck. We are talking about line mates such as Colton Orr here. It was Randy that drove that asset out of town.

CMac damnit I liked this guy a lot, especially when someone made him mad and he pulled out the 1 punch.

You win with guys like the above but Carlyle likes blue shirts so what can you do?
 
thewave said:
You win with guys like the above but Carlyle likes blue shirts so what can you do?
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I'm not a Carlyle fan at all and I think his contract extension was just a form of severence and he will be replaced within a year.

But ultimately I think only Komarov is a guy that would make us a contender as he is a bottom 6 role player. Cmac and Grabo are stop-gap top 6 players, there are numerous better two-way top 6 C's than Grabo, including IMO Kadri who is much more dynamic offensively.

Cmac as well if you replace him with a Hossa or Ladd or Perron etc. it would improve the team much better.

Essentially I'm saying theyre good players for a playoff fringe team like we were last season, but in the long run they were going to be replaced either way if we ever want to contend.(we did a poor job on their exits though).
 
leafstilldeath said:
Einstien: Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results = Insanity


Using Bozo as a 1C for 3 seasons of collapse while expecting different = ???

Carlyle refusing to shuffle lines while expecting different results = ???

I will let you answer that with whatever you are comfortable with.
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Yeah I never understood why Kadri/Lupul and JVR/Kessel were tied together at the hip all season. I get tat its a RW0LW and C/LW combo but there is nothing preventing randy from sending Kadri to wing.
 
rdawg1234 said:
I'm not a Carlyle fan at all and I think his contract extension was just a form of severence and he will be replaced within a year.

But ultimately I think only Komarov is a guy that would make us a contender as he is a bottom 6 role player. Cmac and Grabo are stop-gap top 6 players, there are numerous better two-way top 6 C's than Grabo, including IMO Kadri who is much more dynamic offensively.

Cmac as well if you replace him with a Hossa or Ladd or Perron etc. it would improve the team much better.

Essentially I'm saying theyre good players for a playoff fringe team like we were last season, but in the long run they were going to be replaced either way if we ever want to contend.(we did a poor job on their exits though).
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Honestly In a situation where Grabo and CMac are components you are running a 3 line attack. 8.5m(not bad) so essentially 3rd line is commonly low cost prospects on contenders you would need to balance it out.

Ie.

JVR Bozak Kessel (16m)
Lupul Kadri LEIVO(etc) (10m)
D'Amigo(etc) Grabo CMac (9m)
Ashton Holland Bodie (4m)
39-40m

30m for 6d and tenders.

4x5m 2x2m 1x4m 1x1m 29m

Remember depending who we draft it doesn't need to be D'Amigo or Leivo perhaps we have drafted a future star.

Regardless playing an appropriate system does that team not look well balanced? Maybe not a contender but it ain't bad.

1st line paces 1x60pt 1x40pt 1x80pt getter

2nd line 2x 50pt+ getters and unknown

3rd 2x 50pt getters and unknown

4th mostly unknown BUT they have all demonstrated ability to slide up incase of injury, thus you have depth.

This is mindless GMing very easy for Nonis to have done. No thought and he would be in the playoffs for sure.
 
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Called it:

Leafs missing the playoffs this year

Carlyle being terrible

Clarkson being an unmitigated disaster of a signing

Kadri's point totals this year (called 55, he hit 50)

Immediately hated the trade up for Biggs

Letting MacArthur and Grabovski go being a terrible idea

Lupul overachieving

WWIT?

Bernier falling on his face

Thought the Leafs would roll over and die against the Bruins last year, which I suppose they eventually did, just a lot later than I was expecting

Thinking Rielly definitely needed another year of WHL (call it PTSD from Schenn)
 
7even said:
Called it:

Leafs missing the playoffs this year

Carlyle being terrible

Clarkson being an unmitigated disaster of a signing

Kadri's point totals this year (called 55, he hit 50)

Immediately hated the trade up for Biggs

Letting MacArthur and Grabovski go being a terrible idea

Lupul overachieving

WWIT?

Bernier falling on his face

Thought the Leafs would roll over and die against the Bruins last year, which I suppose they eventually did, just a lot later than I was expecting

Thinking Rielly definitely needed another year of WHL (call it PTSD from Schenn)
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Rielly did need another year tbh but it's ok.
 
I called it: we would smoke Phili in the Schenn trade. I remember saying this guy can score 30 if given the opportunity.
What was I thinking: wanted to move up to draft B Schenn Instead of stating put. Then I wanted MPS at 7th. Thought Pogge was our future goalie.
 
Called it: Komisarek signing was a terrible move.

What was I thinking?: Gustavsson was going to be awesome.
 
Kessel, Phaneuf resigned.

Bozak being a top six forward.

More offence from our "shut down" line required. Moving away from a defensive zone, possession-adverse, grinder line a to a skating-based possession-driving "third" line.

The Gunnarsson - Phaneuf pairing will be underwhelming. Should have experimented with the Gardiner - Phaneuf solution giving us a puck mover who is incredibly creative with the puck on the O zone.

Clarkson not succeeding unless he was on a top line with Kessel. Kulemin being much more effective in a puck retriever role for Kadri.

Joe Colborne would perform well as winger if he couldn't land the centre spot. He had 28 points with a 34-point season from Manohan. I expect that line to do develop further next season and, honestly, Kadri would've thrived with such size on his wing.

Bernier being superior to Reimer
 
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Called it
That Leafs would draft Rielly.
Rielly would make the Leafs this year.
Kessel would sign for 8M per
Dion would get 7M per ( hate this )
Kadri would not be a bust... before the shorten season
Biggs move up pick would be horrible.
Resigning Liles would be stupid.
Grabo contract was horrible.

Reimer was not as good as everyone though....during his first stint in NHL.
Bernier better than Reimer.

WWIT
Carlyle was going to have the team playing better defensively!
Leafs were going to finish second in their Division this year behind the Bruins!
Ross was going to be a great pick!
 
I don't like this thread, because it seems boastful. But I will just say one word "Grabovski" made me look like a prophet.
 
Called it

-Clarkson would be the worst Leafs signing since Komi
-Bozak would provide good value for his contract


W.W.I.T.
-Leafs would make the playoffs in a wildcard spot
-Franson would break out and score a huge contract
 
I was right about Phaneuf as usual and Reimer exceeded my expectations of just how bad he is. I also said we got hosed in the gleason trade but some would still disagree with that somehow.

I was wrong about gardiner it seems
 
Called It:

Bolland - giving up all those picks for rental player = dumb because now we either overpay him or lose him for nothing. Seems like people are coming around to this point of view now. I thought this was the best example of how dumb mngmt is, they seemed to be mortaging the future to win now. LOL at thinking we were close to being a contender.

Buying out Grabo and signing Clarkson instead - horrible waste. I would have kept Grabo and not signed Clarkson.

Trading for Bernier - considering how important goaltending is and considering how highly touted Bernier was I said this was definitely a risk worth taking.

Kadri - I figured he would regress slightly but still be good. Expecting him to sustain (or even improve on) his awesome play in the short season as some did was overly optimistic.

What was I thinking:

I did think that Clarkson would make a valuable contribution despite being grossly overpaid.

Bozak - I thought his contract was an overpayment, seems I was wrong. Course there are still several years left, there was a time when people were saying OMG what a great deal Lupul's contract is and now ... not so much. But for now, yeah very happy with Bozak.

I thought that the Leafs overall were likely to be about as good as they were the previous season. LOL at me.
 
Called it: bernier would be a star and take over the #1

What was I thinking? I though Clarkson would be solid for us (although way overpaid)
I thought the Leafs would make the playoffs
I thought Kulemin would break the 10 goal mark :)
 
Called it:

Grabo Buy out
Carlyle to stay
Gunnarsson to not be traded

Future called it:

Kadri traded
Leafs to trade for 1 of the top 3 draft picks this June
Percy and Finn playing on the big team in the later half of next season
 
Called it : Bernier showing us how a real NHL goaltender plays.

WWIT: Liking the Clarkson signing. :laugh:
 
  • Bernier. I feel I was constantly pumping Jonathan's tires on this board and was ecstatic when we got him. Loved him since he played with Maineiacs and thought he was going to be the "Next Great" goalie
  • Stempniak trade. I knew is was terrible to trade Steen, especially for Stempniak (who I wasn't totally familiar in fairness). I just hated the idea of trading young Steen.
  • Rask-Raycroft trade. HATED it when it was announced.

  • I really thought Colby Armstrong was going to have a GREAT impact for our team. Was thrilled when we signed him.
  • JVR-Schenn trade. Now I wasn't upset about JVR as I thought he was a good young player. I just really loved Schenn. I would easily add onto this trade if we had to re-do it to acquire JVR. Love JVR!
  • Clarkson - I thought he would have had a better impact. I still feel the 10 game ban at the start effected his season and expect him to be "better" next year. How could it be worse?
  • I was really excited about getting Owen Nolan back in the day. Wish it would have worked out better with him, Lindros, Leetch and Peca on this team.
  • Toskala. I hated trading a 1st for him, but I still thought he was a vast improvement over Raycroft and we would get a couple of good years out of him.
 
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