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The Good the Bad and the Ugly

Northernhawk

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Season player review…

The good(player improved or met expectations)
The bad(player didn’t meet expectations)
The ugly(complete failure)

For the the record, before the season started I just hoped this team would win 25 games…which they did

The good…
Connor Bedard
Teuvo Teravainen
Tyler Bertuzzi
Nick Foligno
Ilya Mikheyev
Alex Vlasic
Frank Nazar
Lukas Reichel
Pat Maroon(happy retirement
Connor Murphy
Joe Veleno
Alex Martinez(happy retirement)
Wyatt Kaiser
Nolan Allan
Colton Dach
Ethan Del Mastro
Landon Slaggert
Atryom Levshunov
Oliver Moore
Kevin Korchinski
Ryan Greene
Drew Commesso
Arvid Soderblom
Spencer Knight

The bad…
Jason Dickinson
Louis Crevier

The ugly…
Philipp Kurashev
TJ Brodie
Andreas Athanasiou
Joey Anderson

I know this looks like an ‘optimist’ point of view but I truly feel all those players listed had decent seasons, they either bettered their seasons before, set new career highs, or met expectations…some are first year players and performed well, others filled their roles accordingly. The players that were moved…Taylor Hall, Craig Smith, Petr Mrazek and yes Seth Jones all had their moments and garnered interest from other teams to be traded.

As for the bad and the ugly…Dickinson plays a very important role, he wins faceoffs, kills penalties and most importantly he checks the other teams top players…I was really worried when he was injuries that this would dictate the Hawks play…to the coaches credit it helped the team grow…look forward to Dickinsons return next season

Crevier won out over Isaak Phillips(who was dealt) but he seemed to hit a wall(his injury maybe) and might have lost his job going forward

Brodie needs to be dumped

Kurashev I fear will not be qualified and lost much like Strome, Kubalik, Raddsyh, and others before

Athanasiou once scored 20 for this team but the Hawks will move on from him, Anderson maybe, just maybe, might have a roll next season

Two players I didn’t include on any of the lists…Ryan Donato and Sam Rinzel I feel played over and above this season, Donato wants to stay, I hope the Hawks sign him…Rinzel while only playing in 9 games, is NHL ready…and how lucky are the Hawks to have him

Anyways that’s my thoughts
 
Crevier did finish at -6..compared to Bedard at -36 you might have a bad case as to what is good and what is bad..

How can Bedard be "goid" when he has a rotten MINUS 36 at evens *

* Hawksc ave up 25 empty net goals...we can presume Bedardcon for a lot of thse which to be fair affects the +/- to the negative.. Cannot find exactly how many en goals Bedardcin ice when opps hot an en goal..but OIknow Hawks had 25 en goals against ..so I presume Bedard on for maybe 20 of thses..

So Bedard 67 points - 29 pp poits= 38 non Pp points..

38 -74 = -36 ..so Bedard on for 74 goals against...but discounting the approx. 20 en goals he was on against ,his net differential impact was only about -16 ...add sone shorties scored against him on man advantage situatiobs and I think his NETvI FAIR MPACT is just .maybe -20???

Crevier played few PP minutes compared to Bedard and less total minutes.. And certainly never got en situations..
Still in Net effect he was a net +14 BETTER than ( Bedard a "fair" aporox. -20.)

So who is good and who is bad?

Hard to compare the 2 different roles and minutes given but still Brdard overall Negative impact...Crevier less Negative in his limited role and play.

In the more some +/- where O dod not adjust for en goals against Bedard..yes Bedard improved from -44 = in 23/24 to "only" -36 in more games this season =a gain of +8 inprovement...Creviercwent from -16 in 23/24 to just -6 this season so an improvenent of +10..

These are the facts..so hard to say Bedsy was goid and Ctevire was bad. Negativevus negative...positive is positive...Styke points do NOT COUNT.

Until Bedsy and his linemates go much more positive to net cobtribution you cannot call his performance "good" ..

Akso Bedsy had 26 TK to 90GV...so again the TK-GV differential for Bedard was a whopping MINUS 64..how can tgat be "goid" in any sense at all.


Now noway am I saying Crevier better than Bedard
..just saying who had less negative impact when you look at their Net impacts (in both cases both still negative) ,you find Brdard still wise negativevimpact than Crevier.

So again defining good vs. Bad ...be careful ..stop eitb the style points...look at the hard facts.
 
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hawksfan50 said:
Crevier did finish at -6..compared to Bedard at -36 you might have a bad case as to what is good and what is bad..

How can Bedard be "goid" when he has a rotten MINUS 36 at evens *

* Hawksc ave up 25 empty net goals...we can presume Bedardcon for a lot of thse which to be fair affects the +/- to the negative.. Cannot find exactly how many en goals Bedardcin ice when opps hot an en goal..but OIknow Hawks had 25 en goals against ..so I presume Bedard on for maybe 20 of thses..

So Bedard 67 points - 29 pp poits= 38 non Pp points..

38 -74 = -36 ..so Bedard on for 74 goals against...but discounting the approx. 20 en goals he was on against ,his net differential impact was only about -16 ...add sone shorties scored against him on man advantage situatiobs and I think his NETvI FAIR MPACT is just .maybe -20???

Crevier played few PP minutes compared to Bedard and less total minutes.. And certainly never got en situations..
Still in Net effect he was a net +14 BETTER than ( Bedard a "fair" aporox. -20.)

So who is good and who is bad?

Hard to compare the 2 different roles and minutes given but still Brdard overall Negative impact...Crevier less Negative in his limited role and play.

In the more some +/- where O dod not adjust for en goals against Bedard..yes Bedard improved from -44 = in 23/24 to "only" -36 in more games this season =a gain of +8 inprovement...Creviercwent from -16 in 23/24 to just -6 this season so an improvenent of +10..

These are the facts..so hard to say Bedsy was goid and Ctevire was bad. Negativevus negative...positive is positive...Styke points do NOT COUNT.

Until Bedsy and his linemates go much more positive to net cobtribution you cannot call his performance "good" ..

Akso Bedsy had 26 TK to 90GV...so again the TK-GV differential for Bedard was a whopping MINUS 64..how can tgat be "goid" in any sense at all.


Now noway am I saying Crevier better than Bedard
..just saying who had less negative impact when you look at their Net impacts (in both cases both still negative) ,you find Brdard still wise negativevimpact than Crevier.

So again defining good vs. Bad ...be careful ..stop eitb the style points...look at the hard facts.
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you're right, here i was thinking bedard had a better season than crevier because i was looking at "style points/60" when i should have just been looking at his +/- and his giveaways. thanks fiddy!
 
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Northernhawk said:
Season player review…

The good(player improved or met expectations)
The bad(player didn’t meet expectations)
The ugly(complete failure)

For the the record, before the season started I just hoped this team would win 25 games…which they did

The good…
Connor Bedard
Teuvo Teravainen
Tyler Bertuzzi
Nick Foligno
Ilya Mikheyev
Alex Vlasic
Frank Nazar
Lukas Reichel
Pat Maroon(happy retirement
Connor Murphy
Joe Veleno
Alex Martinez(happy retirement)
Wyatt Kaiser
Nolan Allan
Colton Dach
Ethan Del Mastro
Landon Slaggert
Atryom Levshunov
Oliver Moore
Kevin Korchinski
Ryan Greene
Drew Commesso
Arvid Soderblom
Spencer Knight

The bad…
Jason Dickinson
Louis Crevier

The ugly…
Philipp Kurashev
TJ Brodie
Andreas Athanasiou
Joey Anderson

I know this looks like an ‘optimist’ point of view but I truly feel all those players listed had decent seasons, they either bettered their seasons before, set new career highs, or met expectations…some are first year players and performed well, others filled their roles accordingly. The players that were moved…Taylor Hall, Craig Smith, Petr Mrazek and yes Seth Jones all had their moments and garnered interest from other teams to be traded.

As for the bad and the ugly…Dickinson plays a very important role, he wins faceoffs, kills penalties and most importantly he checks the other teams top players…I was really worried when he was injuries that this would dictate the Hawks play…to the coaches credit it helped the team grow…look forward to Dickinsons return next season

Crevier won out over Isaak Phillips(who was dealt) but he seemed to hit a wall(his injury maybe) and might have lost his job going forward

Brodie needs to be dumped

Kurashev I fear will not be qualified and lost much like Strome, Kubalik, Raddsyh, and others before

Athanasiou once scored 20 for this team but the Hawks will move on from him, Anderson maybe, just maybe, might have a roll next season

Two players I didn’t include on any of the lists…Ryan Donato and Sam Rinzel I feel played over and above this season, Donato wants to stay, I hope the Hawks sign him…Rinzel while only playing in 9 games, is NHL ready…and how lucky are the Hawks to have him

Anyways that’s my thoughts
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Mediocre seasons for me: Greene, Commesso, Korchinski, Slaggert, Colton Dach, Allan, Veleno Commesso

And yes. Vlasic and Bedard had mediocre seasons based on the sky high standard they have set for themselves as incredible players.

The best seasons on the year belonged to Mikheyev, Donato, Soderblom and then Nazar, Rinzel and Levshunov.

Teravainen and Bertuzzi were exactly who they signed. Both on fair deals for imperfect but productive players.
 
Reichel didn't get better and Foligno would have to be bad.

Dickinson on good, he was not as effective as last season but he never has been.

Anderson on good just because he was what he is, 13-14 forward in bad team.
 
Bedard 100% should not be under "the good"

IMO he's closer to "the ugly" than "the good" based on expectations/standards for the season we just watched. I was very disappointed and I'm sure 98 himself would agree. He'll work hard on his skating and bounce back better than ever moving forward.
 
Well good, bad, and ugly might be a little oversimplified for labels to describe how certain players' seasons played out.
 
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Bedard 100% should not be under "the good"

IMO he's closer to "the ugly" than "the good" based on expectations/standards for the season we just watched. I was very disappointed and I'm sure 98 himself would agree. He'll work hard on his skating and bounce back better than ever moving forward.
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A few ugly stretches and a few good/decent stretches.

Between Richardson getting fired and the 4 Nations break he had 34 points in 34 games with points in 26 of those 34 games, and he was consistently dangerous.

The 12 games on either side of that stretch were horrendous, with just 9 points total in those 24 games and a general inability to impact the game.

The 24 games (24 points) left outside of all those mentioned above were a mixed bag- solid production, especially to end the year, but less consistent impact than that stretch in the middle of the season.

Ugly is the conclusion you arrive at when you are tired of the team being dog water and want deliverance. He isn't that guy yet, but the microscope and the intensity of his two prolonged slumps make the season feel worse than it really was.
 
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excellent:
mikheyev
kaiser
donato
nazar
del mastro
rinzel
soda

satisfactory:
bedard
vlasic
turbo
murphy
foligno
dickinson
martinez
knight
levshunov
bertuzzi
crevier
slaggert
maroon
allan

unsatisfactory:
brodie
kurashev
reichel

all this relative to what i figure are realistic expectations. e.g. allan had a bad season by the numbers, but i didn't go into this season expecting an nhl level defenseman from him. if i were grading on the curve of a competitive hockey team, every player on the team would get a failing grade on general principle.
 
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