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Grate n Colorful Oz

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You look like a voracious reader. May I ask you how you manage to get through your bricks? What kind of time are you able to dedicate to your passion, say on a weekly basis? Just curious, I'm lagging on several books I've been meaning to get through over quite some time now.

The best trick is to have a job where you can read. I used to work in offset printing for 6 years. Never read as many books as in those years. Something like 250 books. Now im in flexography printing. I dont have a single second to read.
 

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Behave: The biology of humans at our best & worst
By Robert M Sapolsky

And... i'm going back & forth with Bruce Perry's Born to love: Why empathy is important and endangered

Yeah im a sucker for developmental and behavioral biology.

Sapolsky is great. He was a game changer in how I saw the human species.
 
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I read that one a few months ago after hearing Dr. Jordan Peterson mention it a few times, and it was a very good and informative read indeed, albeit quite depressing yet enlightening in equal measure.

Before that one I read Irish Chang’s "The Rape of Nanking" which was another tough read, the cruelty of man knows no bounds when possessed by ideological fervour, a belief in racial superiority and viewing the world in terms of identity politics.

The fact that it’s making a comeback today in the form of the modern social justice movement and oppressor/oppressed identity politics is simply astonishing, especially here in Canada under our empty suit of a PM pushing this kind of divisive narrative and ideology.

Helluva time to live in in this country, but that’s a topic of conversation best left alone as I do not wish to derail this thread.
What a coincidence! Dr. Jordan Peterson also steered me to the book. I've been following him for about a year and a half. Most of his psychological insights into story is a rehash of my college and university humanities courses. I went to school when the humanities weren't teaching post modernist garbage. I have been a big reader of Jung and Nietzsche so I had a strong affinity to Dr. Peterson's lectures. I had been struggling with a story that had the same subject matter that is covered in Ordinary Men. So when Peterson mentioned it I jumped on it. I'm in my third reading. I need to get the right tone and that book captures it perfectly. The boundary that divides good from bad doesn't run between me and you but rather through all of us. That's the through line for my story and I want to tell it without slipping into propaganda.
 

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I am currently reading Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s third and final installment of "The Gulag Archipelago" and before that I read Aldous Huxley’s "Brave New World".

After Solzhenitsyn’s harrowing series, I’m gonna move on to either Fyodor Dostoevsky’s "The Idiot" or the anthology of the collective works of Edgar Allan Poe.

Decisions decisions...

You definitely have been influenced by Dr Peterson.
 

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Sapolsky is great. He was a game changer in how I saw the human species.

He does that, doesn't he? Probably the best writer of scientific literature in the realm of biology.

I've read A primate's memoirs, Why zebras don't get ulcers, and The trouble with testosterone, which I seem to have lost. I think my ex's friend might've took it which pisses me off to no end. I don't have a big library so it really irritates me when people don't bring my books back. I don't buy that many because at the rate I used to read, it would've cost me a fortune, so most of the books ive read ive pirated the epub versions on torrent sites. My mini-kobo is my most precious belonging.
 
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"Gladiator"

A novel that inspired the character of Superman. It's pretty interesting as it's prett dark as it depicted what would really happen if someone had super-powers in our society where the guy makes mistakes, there's deaths. It's very honest and doesn't ***** foot around. It's essentialy Unbreakable via Superman. What's unique is that it was published in the 30s yet it feels like it had been written today.

You've piqued my interest

Haven't read a novel in a while. Last one was a really good murder mystery; Murder as a fine art, by David Morrell. It's a historic thriller which uses a fictionalized version of Thomas De Quincy, the notorious and infamous writer of the very first book on addictions, Confessions of an opium eater. I stumbled upon Murder as a Fine Art when researching De Quincy, while researching addictions.
 
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You guys will think I'm the biggest geek, but I've been on an historical-bio binge. Finished David McCullough's "The Wright Brothers", which was a fantastic read. That early-20th-century era is so rich with inventions, and the inventors themselves equally epic. Also love well-written historical-fiction. Favourite authors include Follett and Rutherfurd.

Currently reading this frikkin massive book on Ulysses S. Grant. Thing weighs a ton. My wife asked if I was reading the bible.

Otherwise, I go through a ton of mystery/thriller stuff and hard sci-fi.

Hockey related: Phil Esposito's bio, Thunder and Lightning, was lots of fun.

Agree with the 20th century, especially the earlier years being a hot bed ripe for scientific discoveries.

Wright brothers book sounds interesting.
 
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What a coincidence! Dr. Jordan Peterson also steered me to the book. I've been following him for about a year and a half. Most of his psychological insights into story is a rehash of my college and university humanities courses. I went to school when the humanities weren't teaching post modernist garbage. I have been a big reader of Jung and Nietzsche so I had a strong affinity to Dr. Peterson's lectures. I had been struggling with a story that had the same subject matter that is covered in Ordinary Men. So when Peterson mentioned it I jumped on it. I'm in my third reading. I need to get the right tone and that book captures it perfectly. The boundary that divides good from bad doesn't run between me and you but rather through all of us. That's the through line for my story and I want to tell it without slipping into propaganda.

I’ve always had a great interest in philosophy/psychology much like yourself, so I was already quite familiar with the works of Nietzsche, Durkheim, Socrates, Jung, Freud, Adler, Neumann and the list goes on, so when I first heard of Dr. Peterson and started listening to his lectures they resonated with me instantly.

And like you, I remember my own days in academia being far removed from all this post modernist identity politics activism nonsense that is being used to indoctrinate, not educate, impressionable young people with a sense of false virtue and give them a sense of misguided purpose in life.

However it never ceases to amaze me just how glaring and numerous the contradictions are in their ideology, hence why Dr.Peterson and other academics like him are constantly being villified/demonized and protested against because anyone with a modicum of intelligence and especially common sense can tear apart and rip to shreds the very foundations and core tenets of identity politics and this social justice spiel.

Anyway, I’ve gone off on a tangent so back to the thread topic I go, but that book you are working on sounds like an interesting story in the making, where and when is the setting of the story if you don’t mind me asking?

You definitely have been influenced by Dr Peterson.

Oh indeed, quite a bit, but mainly because I already had an affinity and interest in the subjects he discusses at great lenght and in detail, so listening to him speak during his lectures really is a pleasure despite the serious subject matter.

He did influence me to get into Solzhenitsyn’s works though, and for that I am grateful, for now I can understand why he is so hellbent and passionately against this C-16 compelled speech bill that was foisted upon us by the well intentioned but grossly ignorant and misguided Jr. and his minions.

I already knew it was a pointless and divisive bill when it first came out, but Solzhenitsyn’s series really nails home just how far things can go terribly wrong and with potentially horrifying consequences once the government starts deciding what you can and cannot say, that’s a pandoras box best left firmly shut.
 
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Have you read Crime & Punishment or The Brothers Karamazov? I read both a few years ago after my dad died. Just really needed something to distract my mind in a way TV, movies or hockey can't.

He really is an amazing story teller. It's a slow build as he develops plot, character etc, but it's worth it. Crime & Punishment, weirdly, led to me to want to see St. Petersburg even though the eras are completely different.

I felt so thoroughly immersed in those books. I was in that world. Books are great like that.

I haven't read The Idiot.

Crime & Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov are the first two books of his I ever read, and I’ve re-read both since then as well as most of his other works.

I believe I only have The Idiot and Demons left to read, and I intend to read them both in the coming months. But yes Fyodor is an excellent and unique storyteller, certainly one of a kind, and while many people I’ve known find him a difficult read at times but I digress, I actually enjoy the slow tense buildup in most of his works.

That kind of writing immerses you into the story as you say, paying attention to every little details as the story evolves, like a crescendo, until it hits the high note and the orchestra kicks into gear and the story takes off taking you along for the ride and you can’t put the damn book down.
 

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Anyway, I’ve gone off on a tangent so back to the thread topic I go, but that book you are working on sounds like an interesting story in the making, where and when is the setting of the story if you don’t mind me asking?
It's not a book. It's a screenplay. The time and place is set in present day Montreal and the characters are millennials. They are still film's (and post modernism's) largest demographics. I think you viewed the same video I did when Dr. Peterson in one of his classes mentions the book and also warns his students not to assume they would have acted differently than the members of Police Battalion 101. That's the idea I'd like to get at. Also, related to this book is the Standford Prison Experiment.
 

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It's not a book. It's a screenplay. The time and place is set in present day Montreal and the characters are millennials. They are still film's (and post modernism's) largest demographics. I think you viewed the same video I did when Dr. Peterson in one of his classes mentions the book and also warns his students not to assume they would have acted differently than the members of Police Battalion 101. That's the idea I'd like to get at. Also, related to this book is the Standford Prison Experiment.

Ahh I see, and yes I have seen that video although he has mentioned that book and discussed it in several other of his lectures.

It is a very poignant and sobering thought however, to truly ask oneself just what would you do if put in that kind of position, and if one is really honest with themselves it’s not a difficult leap to make from ordinary law abiding citizen to potential mass murderer depending on circumstances.

The naivety of so many of these young activists in this regard is astounding, especially when mass atrocities have been comitted and tens of millions of innocent people were killed in the previous century, all in the name of the greater good and with identity politics playing a key role in it all.

My own family lived through the war years and both my grandfathers fought and died for Ze Germans on the Eastern Front (I’m Hungarian btw), but I remember my grandmothers telling me countless stories about the war and the hardships and sufferings they had to endure both during and after, and seeing so many of their jewish friends and acquaintances being captured, taken away to their deaths or in some cases shot and killed before their very eyes.

Damnit, there I go off on another tangent yet again. Either way, I hope you get the tone of the story down to your liking and succeed in transmitting your message in a way that has the desired effect on your audience, so good luck to you in your continued endeavour:thumbu:
 
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You guys will think I'm the biggest geek, but I've been on an historical-bio binge. Finished David McCullough's "The Wright Brothers", which was a fantastic read. That early-20th-century era is so rich with inventions, and the inventors themselves equally epic. Also love well-written historical-fiction. Favourite authors include Follett and Rutherfurd.

Currently reading this frikkin massive book on Ulysses S. Grant. Thing weighs a ton. My wife asked if I was reading the bible.

Otherwise, I go through a ton of mystery/thriller stuff and hard sci-fi.

Hockey related: Phil Esposito's bio, Thunder and Lightning, was lots of fun.

This would explain the Wilbur was smarter than Orville comment several days ago. Glad you cleared that up. :laugh:
 

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I usually have a couple of books that I read at the same time, one that takes some time and after thought and one that is a bit "lighter". Right now I read "Sapiens, a Brief History of Humankind" by an Israeli historian named Yuval Noah Harari and "Sea of Rust" a sci-fi novel by C Robert Gargill.
 
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Ahh I see, and yes I have seen that video although he has mentioned that book and discussed it in several other of his lectures.

It is a very poignant and sobering thought however, to truly ask oneself just what would you do if put in that kind of position, and if one is really honest with themselves it’s not a difficult leap to make from ordinary law abiding citizen to potential mass murderer depending on circumstances.

The naivety of so many of these young activists in this regard is astounding, especially when mass atrocities have been comitted and tens of millions of innocent poeople were killed in the previous century, all in the name of the greater good and with identity politics playing a key role in it all.

My own family lived through the war years and both my grandfathers fought and died for Ze Germans on the Eastern Front (I’m Hungarian btw), but I remember my grandmothers telling me countless stories about the war and the hardships and sufferings they had to endure both during and after, and seeing so many of their jewish friends and acquaintances being captured, taken away to their deaths or in some cases shot and killed before their very eyes.

Damnit, there I go off on another tangent yet again. Either way, I hope you get the tone of the story down to your liking and succeed in transmitting your message in a way that has the desired effect on your audience, so good luck to you in your continued endeavour:thumbu:

Another coincident! Although I was born in Canada my parents are Italian and my father was in the war. As an eighteen year old. Even though his father, my grandfather, was a socialist and despised the Fascists my dad ended up in the army fighting for them. He didn't fight very long or very well and his battalion was captured by the Germans. He spent a number of years in a German POW camp and came out looking like a skeleton.

From my dad I learned that lesson in the video that Dr Peterson tried to impart to his students. He loved war movies. Documentaries and fiction. We would watch them together when I was young and he would always laugh at American war stories. He claimed most of them lied. People don't behave that way. He was saying the same thing Peterson was saying.

There was one story that he repeated a few times. In the POW camp there was a sergeant who was particularly brutal. Terrorized all the prisoners. Towards the end of the war when the Allies weren't far from the camp some of the prisoners along with my dad escaped. My dad and his war buddy ended up separated from the other escapees and were eventually captured by a German detachment - led by that cruel sergeant. He had them dig their graves and then told them to run for their lives. The Germans never fired on them and allowed them to escape. My dad at the time was certain digging that grave was the last thing he would accomplish.

There was an incident that comes to mind that always bothered me and only a few years ago I got my eureka moment. In four grade my best friend at the time was in the Boy Scouts and he wanted me to join up. So he dressed up in the Scout uniform and came over to my house to show my dad. We told him I wanted to join the scouts. The minute my dad saw the outfit he was adamant. No way was I joining the scouts. Although my dad was old school and stubborn that day was beyond anything he had ever done. At the time I thought it was because he was cheap and didn't want to fork out the money for the uniform. Only years later when I was middle-aged did I realize he ****ing grew up in Fascist Italy. For him uniforms represented totalitarianism and war.
 
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I am currently reading Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s third and final installment of "The Gulag Archipelago" and before that I read Aldous Huxley’s "Brave New World".

After Solzhenitsyn’s harrowing series, I’m gonna move on to either Fyodor Dostoevsky’s "The Idiot" or the anthology of the collective works of Edgar Allan Poe.

Decisions decisions...
Looks like we have similar taste. I finished Brave New World a couple of weeks ago, before that it was The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky and now I'm on The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck. Once done, I might go back to Dostoevsky, I hear Crime and Punishment is even better than The Brothers Karamazov.
 

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Another coincident! Although I was born in Canada my parents are Italian and my father was in the war. As an eighteen year old. Even though his father, my grandfather, was a socialist and despised the Fascists my dad ended up in the army fighting for them. He didn't fight very long or very well and his battalion was captured by the Germans. He spent a number of years in a German POW camp and came out looking like a skeleton.

From my dad I learned that lesson in the video that Dr Peterson tried to impart to his students. He loved war movies. Documentaries and fiction. We would watch them together when I was young and he would always laugh at American war stories. He claimed most of them lied. People don't behave that way. He was saying the same thing Peterson was saying.

There was one story that he repeated a few times. In the POW camp there was a sergeant who was particularly brutal. Terrorized all the prisoners. Towards the end of the war when the Allies weren't far from the camp some of the prisoners along with my dad escaped. My dad and his war buddy ended up separated from the other escapees and were eventually captured by a German detachment - led by that cruel sergeant. He had them dig their graves and then told them to run for their lives. The Germans never fired on them and allowed them to escape. My dad at the time was certain digging that grave was the last thing he would accomplish.

There was an incident that comes to mind that always bothered me and only a few years ago I got my eureka moment. In four grade my best friend at the time was in the Boy Scouts and he wanted me to join up. So he dressed up in the Scout uniform and came over to my house to show my dad. We told him I wanted to join the scouts. The minute my dad saw the outfit he was adamant. No way was I joining the scouts. Although my dad was old school and stubborn that day was beyond anything he had ever done. At the time I thought it was because he was cheap and didn't want to fork out the money for the uniform. Only years later when I was middle-aged did I realize he ****ing grew up in Fascist Italy. For him uniforms represented totalitarianism and war.

That is quite the story, and based on his experiences it is hardly surprising that he associated such uniforms even those of the Boy Scouts with totalitarianism and war.

I have a story of my own to share that my grandmother recounted to me when I was but a boy. This took place a few months after the war ended after Hungary was occupied by the Soviets, my grandmother was out for a stroll pushing my recently born father in a baby carriage she had managed to hold onto in anticipation of his birth.

As she was pushing the carriage through the rubble filled streets a group of drunken Russian soldiers walked out of a bar and one of them pulled out his pistol and started waiving it around, and as he noticed my grandmother some distance away he, for whatever reason, decided it would be a grand idea to pop off a few shots in her direction for kicks I assume.

My grandmother was caught completely off guard but had the presence of mind to turn the carriage around and use her body to shield my infant father from the bullets, which fortunately did not strike her. Having had their fun, the soldiers drunkenly staggered away in the opposite direction, and it was only then that she noticed that a bullet had imbeded itself in the carriage in what was likely the first shot fired.

The carriage itself had a thick wooden plank apparently in the front, and as it turns out the bullet had struck it, and the tip of the bullet was slightly protruding from the other side and had it gone through it would have struck my infant father square in the face killing him instantly.

Fortunately for her and my father (and for me, by extension), the shot came from a far enough distance that it did not have the velocity to penetrate completely through that plank of wood, otherwise I wouldn’t be sharing this story today.

Another story she mentioned was when during the war there was a mass evacuation of civilians to be taken from Budapest to the countryside where they would be safer away from the city. As she told it she was already at the train station ready to depart when she forgot a book and necklace given to her by her older brother (who incidentally was also killed on the Eastern Front).

She couldn’t bear to leave them behind, so she left despite the protestations of her friends imploring her to stay and leave the city (she was pregnant with my father at the time), to retrieve these items despite the fact that there was no guarantee there would be another evacuation from the city in the near future.

It turned out to be a wise decision, for only later did she find out that the train carrying for the most part women, children and the elderly happened to be passing through an industrial area on its way to the countryside when an allied bombing raid struck, killing every single person on board leaving no survivors.

How thin the line is between chance and misfortune when one thinks about it, and that is just one of many stories I heard growing up and that’s just from my grandmother on my fathers side.


Looks like we have similar taste. I finished Brave New World a couple of weeks ago, before that it was The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky and now I'm on The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck. Once done, I might go back to Dostoevsky, I hear Crime and Punishment is even better than The Brothers Karamazov.

Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov are both excellent books in their own right, whether you shall enjoy one more than the other you will only know once you have read it which I highly recommend.

Enjoy:thumbu:
 

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I was recently recommended a book by Bergevin , it's truly a great read:

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On a more serious note I recently read "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F**k" by Mark Manson ,a friend lent it to me and it was surprinsingly good. I'm not usually into these type of books but it made some really interesting points and was quite humorous , the 2nd half was a bit of a let down but overall not bad.
 

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There is a very intersting read for the geek types out there - "The Victorian Internet: The Remarkable Story of the Telegraph and the Nineteenth Century's On-Line Pioneers" by Tom Standage. Self-explanatory.
 
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Great thread Runner and some great replies.

Watched an old ww2 movie recently and realized I had the book so recently finished "The one that got away", the story of a German pilot who escaped in southern Ontario and made it all the way back to Germany. The movie was completely faithful to the book.

In contrast I remember reading Papillon and there was so much of the book beyond the movie as well as changes to the story. Still a great movie, maybe would have been 4-5 hours if they told the whole story.

Currently reading "He was my chief" by one of Hitler`s secretaries. I`ve read several other books on the topic, but there are so many behind the scènes détails of the inner circle during WW2.

History and biography are my favorite books.

Anyone else into escape stories, would recommend this one, from WW1:

Three Times and Out by Nellie L. McClung and Mervin C. Simmons
 

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Looks like we have similar taste. I finished Brave New World a couple of weeks ago, before that it was The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky and now I'm on The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck. Once done, I might go back to Dostoevsky, I hear Crime and Punishment is even better than The Brothers Karamazov.

Eugenics wetdream. Wonder what Huxley would make of today's social and biological sciences and the new vision and paradigm of human nature.

If you're really interested in understanding human nature, there's no better time than now, and no outdated philosophy or fictional dystopia will ever come close. All those books I read in my early 20's just misguided how i saw human nature.
 
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