OT: The Football Thread

[crasherino]

Perhaps 'Phins are going to flip all the picks for Watson?

Jets are definitely taking Wilson.

Its lining up that Denver seems like the logical trade partner for Darnold. If they are planning on taking Wilson, hopefully that's the case. Word was that Elway loved Darnold and they likely won't have a shot at a QB unless they want Mac Jones.

If we are moving on from Darnold, I'll take their 2nd and be on our way.

 

[danteipp]

Its lining up that Denver seems like the logical trade partner for Darnold. If they are planning on taking Wilson, hopefully that's the case. Word was that Elway loved Darnold and they likely won't have a shot at a QB unless they want Mac Jones.

If we are moving on from Darnold, I'll take their 2nd and be on our way.

If Denver can get Caleb Farley and Darnold, with their first two picks, I would say that is a great start for them. Let Darnold and Lock fight it out at QB. What do you say @PWJunior

 

[IslandersFan17]

Bills are still the class of the AFCE

 

[danteipp]

I wonder if, closer to the draft, the 49ers will send Jimmy G back to Bill and the Patriots?

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Can you really roll the dice on Watson right now, with so many unknowns?

Better to wait it out and, if Tua has just a decent season, he increases his value and you still have the young player you take at #6 and can always move a couple firsts in the next draft.

If it was me, I would wait and see if some of the heat on Watson dissipates and maybe, by then, Houston is more flexible in a trade.

Absolutely wait, you have a month until the draft. There are a host of players that have had bad off the field issues that are still in the league...

But aside from all that stuff and just talking about on the field...Watson has zero unknowns, Tua has a few. Phins have 6 first rounders from 2021-23. Package one from each year and Tua for Watson.

Its lining up that Denver seems like the logical trade partner for Darnold. If they are planning on taking Wilson, hopefully that's the case. Word was that Elway loved Darnold and they likely won't have a shot at a QB unless they want Mac Jones.

If we are moving on from Darnold, I'll take their 2nd and be on our way.

Yup, Denver's 2nd rounder (40 OA) is the target.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Absolutely wait, you have a month until the draft. There are a host of players that have had bad off the field issues that are still in the league...

But aside from all that stuff and just talking about on the field...Watson has zero unknowns, Tua has a few. Phins have 6 first rounders from 2021-23. Package one from each year and Tua for Watson.



Yup, Denver's 2nd rounder (40 OA) is the target.

Sure there are people in the league with off the field baggage, but nothing the likes of what we are seeing with Watson. I am a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, but we also live in a time where #BelieveAllWomen....

if any of the allegations about Watson are true he should be out of the league.

 

[danteipp]

Sure there are people in the league with off the field baggage, but nothing the likes of what we are seeing with Watson. I am a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, but we also live in a time where #BelieveAllWomen....

if any of the allegations about Watson are true he should be out of the league.

I think there is a very good chance he ends up on the Commissioner's Exempt List and essentially misses the coming season/a year.

Then, best-case scenario for him, he needs to go on an apology (and sizable donation) tour and rehab his image.

If his lawyers and PR people are smart, they also enroll him in a rehab facility and try to deflect as much as possible, citing emotional or substance-abuse problems.

It is going to be fascinating to watch from all angles.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Sure there are people in the league with off the field baggage, but nothing the likes of what we are seeing with Watson. I am a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, but we also live in a time where #BelieveAllWomen....

if any of the allegations about Watson are true he should be out of the league.

Agreed, if convicted of allegations, kick him from the league.

We've seen this type of situation before, so I didn't think much of it when it was only one woman came who forward (I'm jaded by the Duke lacrosse case). But once the number starting growing to over 10 separate women? Where there is smoke, there's fire.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

I know what you mean, but to me the more women jumping in late makes it look like a money grab. The bigger the number, the more dramatic it sounds when his lawyer says “ You mean to tell me there were (insert number) women and not one called the police.” I’m guessing he gets off unless he incriminated himself in a text.

But I didn’t think Cosby would go to jail either.

 

[The Real JT]

Bills are still the class of the AFCE

I'm a closet Bill's fan (after the Jets) so keep that in mind.

Josh Allen made great strides most notably in his percentage completion rate.

With that being said, his lack of accuracy under pressure is a big red flag for me.

While they can go far with this team, I don't think he has the skills to be a Super Bowl winning QB.

 

[PWJunior]

If Denver can get Caleb Farley and Darnold, with their first two picks, I would say that is a great start for them. Let Darnold and Lock fight it out at QB. What do you say @PWJunior

Broncos added Kyle Fuller and Ronald Darby, re-signed Jackson and Simmons so the secondary is kind of set. Adding Farley would be sick to set the unit up for the long haul.

I don't know about trading for Darnold though, would rather give Lock a chance and use the 2nd rounder on a ILB or a RT.

 

[danteipp]

Broncos added Kyle Fuller and Ronald Darby, re-signed Jackson and Simmons so the secondary is kind of set. Adding Farley would be sick to set the unit up for the long haul.

I don't know about trading for Darnold though, would rather give Lock a chance and use the 2nd rounder on a ILB or a RT.

Who do you think the Broncos are looking at in the first round, if they don't go CB?

I assume they wouldn't take the 5th QB, right?

They don't need a WR and, while Pitts is a beast, they have Fant at TE, although I guess they could double down.

Slater or Parsons otherwise? Maybe the best Edge if they love a prospect, although it would probably be a reach.

Or trade down?

 

[PWJunior]

Who do you think the Broncos are looking at in the first round, if they don't go CB?

I assume they wouldn't take the 5th QB, right?

They don't need a WR and, while Pitts is a beast, they have Fant at TE, although I guess they could double down.

Slater or Parsons otherwise? Maybe the best Edge if they love a prospect, although it would probably be a reach.

Or trade down?

Parsons would make sense because Fangio defenses typically feature a stud ILB, but he scares the shit out of me with character issues. Personally I wouldn't touch him and I don't value ILB's very high in general.

A trade down could happen though. Hard to tell with Paton now in charge. He does love drafting CB's though so I'd be good with that. With Von Miller returning (very happy about it), less of a need for an Edge.

 

[ML19]

Wilson looked like a 1st overall today. Trade Darnold for a 2nd and cut your losses. This is coming from a Darnold supporter.

 

[danteipp]

Parsons would make sense because Fangio defenses typically feature a stud ILB, but he scares the shit out of me with character issues. Personally I wouldn't touch him and I don't value ILB's very high in general.

A trade down could happen though. Hard to tell with Paton now in charge. He does love drafting CB's though so I'd be good with that. With Von Miller returning (very happy about it), less of a need for an Edge.

For the Giants, barring someone insane dropping to #11, I would really like Pitts (but I doubt he will be there), so they can trade Evan "Stone Hands" Engram for whatever they can get. Maybe a mid-round draft pick?

If not, Slater is a solid choice that can play anywhere along the oline and I especially like his tape against Chase Young. On one play, I thought he bent Young in half and killed him.

Parsons would fill a need at LB/Edge and be a monster in Graham's system, but you have to be sure about his past character issues.

The consolation prize would be to grab one of the elite CBs and be loaded at DB.

 

[IslandersFan17]

I'm a closet Bill's fan (after the Jets) so keep that in mind.

Josh Allen made great strides most notably in his percentage completion rate.

With that being said, his lack of accuracy under pressure is a big red flag for me.

While they can go far with this team, I don't think he has the skills to be a Super Bowl winning QB.

I’m a die hard Bills fan and I’m not sure what you mean by lack of accuracy under pressure

 

[The Real JT]

I’m a die hard Bills fan and I’m not sure what you mean by lack of accuracy under pressure

Good post.

I wasn't aware of that but from the handful of Bill's games I've seen, I've seen INTs and some wildly inaccurate throws also. Maybe they're rare but they stand out.

I'll leave you with this.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Good post.

I wasn't aware of that but from the handful of Bill's games I've seen, I've seen INTs and some wildly inaccurate throws also. Maybe they're rare but they stand out.

I'll leave you with this.

They lost to the defending super bowl champions (at the time) in the kids first ever AFC Championship game. I mean I’ll take the entire seasons body of work oppose to one game.

Not denying Allen still has room to improve, but I think he stresses a defense regardless of what they throw at him.

That same playoffs, the blitz happy ravens changed their entire identity defensively and hardly blitzed Allen at all l...

Ravens decided to rarely blitz Josh Allen, and Bills' offense did enough for victory

 

[The Real JT]

They lost to the defending super bowl champions (at the time) in the kids first ever AFC Championship game. I mean I’ll take the entire seasons body of work oppose to one game.

Not denying Allen still has room to improve, but I think he stresses a defense regardless of what they throw at him.

That same playoffs, the blitz happy ravens changed their entire identity defensively and hardly blitzed Allen at all l...

Ravens decided to rarely blitz Josh Allen, and Bills' offense did enough for victory

I'm impressed by Allen's improvement as are you.

I'm just not a fan of analytics like PFF.

No question that aside from the KC games, he looked like a top tier QB. In those games, there were a handful of plays that make me worry.

We'll see.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Wilson looked like a 1st overall today. Trade Darnold for a 2nd and cut your losses. This is coming from a Darnold supporter.

I'd be thrilled with a 2nd rounder for Darnold - I just don't think he's smart enough to be a winning quarterback. The real mystery is how he didn't throw 10 more interceptions last year. Even though he hasn't had great protection he has thrown into coverage time after time. I don't think he has a clue when it comes to reading defenses. He reminds me of Tavares, a nice guy who says the right things without a lot of brain power. I'm rooting for Sam, I think going to a talented offense like Carolina and competing with Bridgewater would be perfect. I'd hate to see him go to a town with a-hole fans like Philly or Chicago.

 

[crasherino]

I'd be thrilled with a 2nd rounder for Darnold - I just don't think he's smart enough to be a winning quarterback. The real mystery is how he didn't throw 10 more interceptions last year. Even though he hasn't had great protection he has thrown into coverage time after time. I don't think he has a clue when it comes to reading defenses. He reminds me of Tavares, a nice guy who says the right things without a lot of brain power. I'm rooting for Sam, I think going to a talented offense like Carolina and competing with Bridgewater would be perfect. I'd hate to see him go to a town with a-hole fans like Philly or Chicago.

The game hasn't slowed down quite enough for Darnold at this point. It doesn't mean it won't, but its a little concerning that he still has those happy feet in the pocket and makes some horrible decisions/reads. I've been - and continue somewhat to be - a Darnold supporter and was hoping that they'd go with him in the upcoming season. But, that's coming from the position of "If Saleh/Douglas want him, that means he must be salvageable and we can do SOOOO much more if we trade that #2 pick, still get a baller at 5-10 and have more ammo for years to come" type position. More of a hope/prayer type thing, and that's not a great way to run a franchise.

It seems increasingly clear that Wilson will be the guy. Assuming that's the case, hopefully we can have a clean break, pick up a 2nd round pick and restock the cupboard with our top 100 picks. Assuming we get a 2nd rounder in this draft, that would be 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. Its reasonable to think 4 of those guys could be starters. At the very least, a starting CB and starting Guard a must.

 

[The Real JT]

The latest rumor that Jets will only get a 3rd round pick for Darnold is disappointing.

Timing is everything and I would think they could've received better value if they flipped him earlier. Suitors have dropped in number and are already considering alternatives.

Time to pull the trigger.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

I just want a smart accurate quarterback. There are very few Mahomes out there, Brady, Favre and Manning did ok without blazing speed. As for the modern quarterbacks who are supposedly changing the game, I think Slash was the beginning of the revolution, there’s a history of one or two good seasons and then busting out. Look who has been winning Super Bowls. I’m intrigued by Wilson’s accuracy on the long ball, the Jets haven’t had anyone who can hit a receiver in stride 40 yards down field in a while. Maybe Vinnie was last. I’ve been jealous watching Brady and Rogers doing this regularly. To be honest, I’d go for Mac Jones if his long ball was more accurate. Watching these pro days with all the stop watches is comical. Smart, accurate - go from there.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Darnold to CAR for 2021 6th rounder + 2022 2nd + 2022 4th

Surprised it was that much. Good job by JD and welcome to NY, Zach Wilson!

 

[crasherino]

Darnold to CAR for 2021 6th rounder + 2022 2nd + 2022 4th

Surprised it was that much. Good job by JD and welcome to NY, Zach Wilson!

Considering the trade market dried up, I'll take it. If they decided to move him earlier, maybe they get a '21 2nd rounder. Maybe Wilson's Pro Day sealed it? Either way, glad its sorted and we have some finality going forward. Decent chance that Carolina got a steal. Dude's only 23 years old and certainly has talent.

Hopefully Wilson makes it moot and we don't look back at all. And the Jets have a LOT of picks in the top 100 next year.