OT: The Football Team formerly known as Redskins - Super Bowl 2025 or bust! [2025-26 Offseason Extravaganza Edition]

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Agreed. It'd be different if they were committed to these older guys for alarming amounts of time or for staggering amounts of money. But so far the willingness to skew older has been pretty evenly tempered by short-term deals and agreeable cap hits. Nothing wrong with older guys unless you're bound to them when they're TOO old.
It’s all about maximizing cost vs JD5’s rookie deal.

They aren’t in salary cap hell with any of these trades.

It’s pretty methodical. I will say I do not really like the Kinlaw deal. BUT, he’s only money. The other ones are a lot of draft capital.

All that said — they HAVE to trade down from 29 and add as many picks as they can. Same w 61. Just keep trading DOWN.

It is a draft that looks reality equal from 25 to 100. So keep sliding.

100-160 has some really nice players too.

Personally? I’d rather see 6 picks before 149 or so, than the 3 at 29/61/127.
 
You get those guys through the draft, and they've given up a not outrageous but still sizable amount of draft capital

Definitely, but if we're going to contend during this window, we need talent in the meantime, the kind that can hit the ground running. Not sure how else we were going to shore up LT with cash and assets left over to address other needs. Can't sign the "big name guy" at every position.

The Lattimore trade looks way iffier in retrospect, but hindsight's a bitch. Made sense on paper. A 5th for Deebo isn't a big deal, and it's nice to have Tunsil. A 2nd (next year) and two 3rds we're going to miss for sure, but that's what it took. Maybe we could have dealt for a lesser LT?

I agree that we need to stop dealing picks, but he's being pretty careful with them -- CB and LT were huge needs. Hopefully trading back once or twice this year will make sense when our number is called, and there are still value FAs we can unearth like last year. That appears to be the plan.

Watching the Eagles pummel the shit out of KC set a pretty high bar. I don't think it's an arms race, but we do need to get better quickly if we want more than a puncher's chance.
 
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It’s all about maximizing cost vs JD5’s rookie deal.

They aren’t in salary cap hell with any of these trades.

It’s pretty methodical. I will say I do not really like the Kinlaw deal. BUT, he’s only money. The other ones are a lot of draft capital.

All that said — they HAVE to trade down from 29 and add as many picks as they can. Same w 61. Just keep trading DOWN.

It is a draft that looks reality equal from 25 to 100. So keep sliding.

100-160 has some really nice players too.

Personally? I’d rather see 6 picks before 149 or so, than the 3 at 29/61/127.


Round 1, Pick 29
Round 2, Pick 61
Round 4, Pick 127 (from HOU)
Round 6, Pick 197 (from PIT)
Round 6, Pick 207

I’d trade 29 for a 2nd+ (and draft with that pick). That should be a starter. I’d trade 61 for a 3rd+,(and draft someone with that 3rd) maybe try to add a pick for the 26 draft.
 
Under Ron we hit in like 10% of draft picks and thats being nice.

Ill take Vets over busts in the 1st like Jamin Davis and Frobes
Yup. And that's HUGE part of why we're having to sign so many free agents -- the previous regime was shit of dog in terms of spending on untalented football players. Having a full complement of draft picks for the next 5 years still wouldn't be able to pull us even from the deficit the last regime left us.

The good news is, a draft like this one -- shallow at the very top but deep in the early-middle -- is a great opt'y for a team drafting late in rounds to trade back, as many have suggested/begged for, to recoup some picks in rounds 2-3 or even 4 and get potential starters or at least early key back-ups.

Even if we trade back from our first and/or our second, there will still be starting-caliber players at RT, G, DE, CB, WR and RB. Obviously we won't get all those filled, but they're all positions where a player in rounds 1-3 can immediately contribute.
 
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Not going to lie this secondary got worse without Chinn

Still time in the offseason to get some picks in the draft but so far I'm not impressed. Yes BSJ is gone and mikey and lattimore are there but who will play safety now?
 


Not going to lie this secondary got worse without Chinn

Still time in the offseason to get some picks in the draft but so far I'm not impressed. Yes BSJ is gone and mikey and lattimore are there but who will play safety now?


Perhaps wait and see for longer than 1 day?

I don't think we are leaving this off-season with a gaping hole somewhere.
 
they missed the opportunity to sign sweat or Holland and lost chinn.
Deep breaths, Grasshopper.

Things to keep in mind:
1) We're 30 hours in to FA
2) There's still a draft
3) There are still trades to be made

Maybe we draft Green or Eziruaku at Edge? Maybe there's a trade for Hendrickson? Maybe Emanwori falls or we get Winston at S?

We also haven't filled our need for a RT and/or RG. Doesn't mean we won't. There are a number of guys in the late 1st to mid 3rd round range who have positional flexibility b/t OT/G and even G/C (back-up to Bad-ass.)

We were never going to fill all our needs in FA -- much less in the first day -- and we were never going to keep every guy we signed on the cheap last year who then increased their value on the market.

There's still a lot of time and a bunch of players.
 
Re: OL

It’s all about what to do w Coleman….and how that impacts the line. OBV Tunsil takes over for Coleman at LT. I mean duh.

So that leaves Alleghretti, BadAss, Coleman, and Wylie. So we technically have 5 starting OL’s. Coleman played G in college, so him being LG or RG or RT is all feasible (Alleghretti could slide to RG?).

Tunsil and BadAss are the only 2 that seem fully slotted to their roles. IMO. But we have 3 more “starting” OL’s, assuming they keep Wylie.
 


WINNER: OT Laramey Tunsil

Nobody has parlayed being traded at the right time into more money than Tunsil. In 2019, when the Texans traded two first-round picks to acquire him from the Dolphins, he declined to sign an extension as part of the deal. A year later, he took then-general manager Bill O'Brien to the cleaners, signing a three-year, $66 million contract that both moved the left tackle market forward and allowed him the potential to hit free agency again before turning 30.

Before the Texans drafted quarterback C.J. Stroud in 2023, they gave Tunsil another three-year deal, this time for $75 million. Now, with Stroud entering the final year of his bargain deal before presumably getting paid next offseason, the left tackle is on the move again. The Texans traded Tunsil to the Commanders on Monday, swapping fourth-round picks while landing second- and third-round selections from Washington in the process.

The Commanders were reportedly happy with what they saw from rookie left tackle Brandon Coleman over the second half of 2024, but his ability as a run blocker might make him a better fit on the right side, where he could take over from Andrew Wylie. Tunsil is coming off a disappointing season in which he led the league in penalties, but I'd chalk up some of the issues with the Houston offensive line to the broader struggles that plagued the offense last season. He will have to adjust to an offense that plays out of the pistol and shotgun, but he was able to do that just fine during the Deshaun Watson era in Houston.

The Texans are understandably upset with what they saw from their offensive line a year ago and are cleaning house. In addition to firing offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik and offensive line coach Chris Strausser in January, general manager Nick Caserio releasedguard Shaq Mason over the weekend before trading away Tunsil. The two most experienced players on Houston's line are no longer in the building.
 
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this guy is not Chinn. So…..meh, is all I can say. Hope he’s just the back up, depending on what he’s making (8m over 2yrs or per year??)
$8M total (guaranteed, I assume), max value $10M.

FWIW, PFF grades last year:
Chinn: 65.2 (42-T)
Harris: 62.5 (57-T)
 
He's a strong tackler, heavy hitter, and excellent in run support. His issue is in coverage, so hopefully he'll benefit from better coaching to help his decision-making. He's more reliable in the red zone with the shorter field to account for, less so when things are more wide open.

Certainly not the standout that Chinn was for us, but he's a good player.
 


WINNER: OT Laramey Tunsil

Nobody has parlayed being traded at the right time into more money than Tunsil. In 2019, when the Texans traded two first-round picks to acquire him from the Dolphins, he declined to sign an extension as part of the deal. A year later, he took then-general manager Bill O'Brien to the cleaners, signing a three-year, $66 million contract that both moved the left tackle market forward and allowed him the potential to hit free agency again before turning 30.

Before the Texans drafted quarterback C.J. Stroud in 2023, they gave Tunsil another three-year deal, this time for $75 million. Now, with Stroud entering the final year of his bargain deal before presumably getting paid next offseason, the left tackle is on the move again. The Texans traded Tunsil to the Commanders on Monday, swapping fourth-round picks while landing second- and third-round selections from Washington in the process.

The Commanders were reportedly happy with what they saw from rookie left tackle Brandon Coleman over the second half of 2024, but his ability as a run blocker might make him a better fit on the right side, where he could take over from Andrew Wylie. Tunsil is coming off a disappointing season in which he led the league in penalties, but I'd chalk up some of the issues with the Houston offensive line to the broader struggles that plagued the offense last season. He will have to adjust to an offense that plays out of the pistol and shotgun, but he was able to do that just fine during the Deshaun Watson era in Houston.

The Texans are understandably upset with what they saw from their offensive line a year ago and are cleaning house. In addition to firing offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik and offensive line coach Chris Strausser in January, general manager Nick Caserio releasedguard Shaq Mason over the weekend before trading away Tunsil. The two most experienced players on Houston's line are no longer in the building.
That's good to hear. From a "what's left to do on the OL" perspective, it seems to be two-fold:
1) Capable replacement for Cosmi who can become a solid swing/back-up on his return
2) Replacement back-up C

Per my earlier post, these coincide nicely with a relative strength of the draft in the area we expect to be picking. Some guys who could be available (a lot are listed as OT, where they played in college, but profile better to the interior in the league):

Late first/maybe early 2nd:
G. Zabel (OT -- projects as G, also can play C)

Mid/late 2nd, early 3rd:
D. Jackson (OT/G -- natural LG who played LT well for OSU after starter went down; question if he could play RG or if Allegretti could move over until SC return)
W. Milum (LT -- projects better at G; is he a left side only guy, or could he move to RG?)

3rd rd:
O. Trapilo (RT -- if he's able to start as a R, maybe Coleman could play at G?)
M. Mbow (light OT who projects inside at either RG or C)
T. Ratledge (pure RG)

Zabel and Milum seem tailor-made for our situation, and Ratledge seems like a good immediate fit w/ potential to be a long-term piece.
 

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