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Post-Series Talk: The Florida Panthers defeat the Toronto Maple Leafs 4-3 (mod warning in OP)

I just want to thank the Florida Panthers organization and the players for a very hard fought series going down 2-0 at the start to make it a 7 game series.

As a Maple Leafs fan, I am appreciative of Florida exposing the fraud core players to finally make some real changes with this franchise. Hopefully the insanity stops this off season and real changes occur.
 
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Laus723 said:
Except it 100% was, and in many ways still is. He provided you with links where the players said it motivated them. Cousins put his hand to his ear after he scored that series. The owners put shirts out that fans still wear, I do. The fans loudly cheered it last year.

That’s translated as the fans believed the Panthers were the easiest team, it doesn’t matter that they also chanted Boston, supposedly. When a fighter calls out another fighter publicly, that’s seen as a slight when it’s done that way.
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I understand it was used as a rallying cry, but I never understood why.

Was it such a great insult that some Leafs fans were happy to see Boston lose and would rather play Florida? That they were excited to finally see the second round? And if some also chanted for Boston, why would that not matter? Or would they be equally as annoyed?

Seems like a nothing burger that snowballed for some reason.

Maybe I'm missing something and am just not wise to the way of sports. Never played, myself.


Either way, it hardly seems relevant now. You made your statement in 2023. What would the defending Stanley Cup champions need with a rallying cry against a team that can't win anything ever against anyone?
 
PistolPete said:
All I'm seeing is....

Excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse excise excuse excuse excuse excuse and therefore excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse.
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More like facts don't care about your anti leafs bias.

Here's one more for you.

Leafs are 1 of only 3 teams to take Panthers to 7 games in the past few years. One was the greatest regular season team in Bruins history, and the other was inches away from a Cup win.

Like it or not, Leafs are an excellent team and on the cusp of being cup contenders. Arguably already there if the Canes end up losing quickly to the Panthers in the ECF.
 
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Sorry Leafs fans I know your pain, feels like the 90’s Flyers just couldn’t get it done. It hurts but you just pray it’ll get better. We had some wars back then, was good playoff hockey but neither team could win it all. It’s so hard to win a Stanley cup. Enjoy it everybody if you get a chance to experience it.
 
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Commander Clueless said:
I understand it was used as a rallying cry, but I never understood why.

Was it such a great insult that some Leafs fans were happy to see Boston lose and would rather play Florida? That they were excited to finally see the second round? And if some also chanted for Boston, why would that not matter? Or would they be equally as annoyed?

Seems like a nothing burger that snowballed for some reason.

Maybe I'm missing something and am just not wise to the way of sports. Never played, myself.


Either way, it hardly seems relevant now. You made your statement in 2023. What would the defending Stanley Cup champions need with a rallying cry against a team that can't win anything ever against anyone?
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It’s the fact that they were chanting We Want Florida when it wasn’t guaranteed they were getting Florida.

If, for example, the Leafs were winning this game 7 and chanted We Want Carolina, the already-determined next opponent, it would be different.
 
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MikeyMike01 said:
It’s the fact that they were chanting We Want Florida when it wasn’t guaranteed they were getting Florida.

If, for example, the Leafs were winning this game 7 and chanted We Want Carolina, the already-determined next opponent, it would be different.
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I love laughing at the Leafs’ misfortunes as much anyone else but this thing was completely overblown as something serious.

They won their first series in 19 years, it was a Saturday night, and fans were having dueling chants of “We want Boston” and “We want Florida”, the only two teams they could have faced.

It was a fun, harmless moment that people twisted into “oh you’re underestimating them, huh?”.
 
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Gil Gunderson said:
I love laughing at the Leafs’ misfortunes as much anyone else but this thing was completely overblown as something serious.

They won their first series in 19 years, it was a Saturday night, and fans were having dueling chants of “We want Boston” and “We want Florida”, the only two teams they could have faced.

It was a fun, harmless moment that people twisted into “oh you’re underestimating them, huh?”.
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TML fans were cheering "we want Florida" after going up 3-0 on Ottawa. They looked past Ottawa and thought they had the juice to beat Florida...be careful what you ask for
 
I find it really strange how much hate Toronto got for their performance against Florida. Yeah the last two home games were blowouts, but they still took the defending cup champions to seven games.

Florida is the better team and was always going to be the favorite to win the series. Especially after the additions of Jones and Marchand. In terms of all around impact, the Panthers had the advantage at literally every position.

C:
Barkov + Bennett + Lundell > Matthews + Tavares + Domi

W:
Tkachuk + Reinhart + Marchand + Verhaege > Marner + Nylander + Knies + Pacioretty

D:
Jones + Forsling + Ekblad + Mikkola + Schmidt + Kulikov > Rielly + Tanev + McCabe + OEL + Carlo + Benoit

G:
Bobrovsky > Woll / Stolarz

There's reason this team won the cup last year.

The divisional playoff setup is really what's gotten the best of Toronto in the last few years. Having to go up against one of Boston, Tampa Bay, or Florida in the first two rounds is brutal.

If they were in any other division, I'd have zero doubt that they would have made it to the conference finals at least once or twice in that span.
 
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Commander Clueless said:
I understand it was used as a rallying cry, but I never understood why.

Was it such a great insult that some Leafs fans were happy to see Boston lose and would rather play Florida? That they were excited to finally see the second round? And if some also chanted for Boston, why would that not matter? Or would they be equally as annoyed?

Seems like a nothing burger that snowballed for some reason.

Maybe I'm missing something and am just not wise to the way of sports. Never played, myself.


Either way, it hardly seems relevant now. You made your statement in 2023. What would the defending Stanley Cup champions need with a rallying cry against a team that can't win anything ever against anyone?
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Well, partly because, idk, it was just another sign of the arrogance of (some/many) Leafs fans.
 
njdevil26 said:
It's honestly crazy what happened last night. I'm not sure what the conversation today would be if the Leafs lost a hard fought close game 7... but they essentially no-showed a game 7 in their own building.

Seems like everyone wants Marner gone... I get he doesn't perform in the playoffs but may I ask how they are going to replace 90 points in the lineup?

Also while it's easy to blame this on Marner since that's what Leafs fans love to do... Nylander had ZERO POINTS and was a -3 games 4, 5, 6, and 7.

Matthews had 1 goal and no assists and was a -3 games 4, 5, 6, and 7. 1 goal in that series.

Tavares had zero points and was a -5 games 4, 5, 6, and 7.


The star players don't show up when it matters. If Marner shows up the least, fine... don't re-sign him. How do you replace 90 regular season points? Then who do you blame it on when Matthews and Nylander no-show in next year's big games?
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If they have determined that this team will never make it, they need to back out somehow & get on a different path. Marner is the easiest place to start since the contract is up. I think you're right that he's no more culpable than the other core pieces.

They might face some lean years.
 
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PainForShane said:
Meh. Tell that to anyone who saw the Habs this year, they finished just above at 47.48% (Leafs were at 47.38%). Or tell that to fans of the Kings, Utah, Pitt who finished 5th, 6th and 10th respectively (5v5 reg season, obvi Utah and Pitt aren't close to the 6th and 10th best team in the league). CGY was #7 as well. Corsi and Fenwick are basically shot differential stats, which do matter but imo are more of a trailing indicator than anything else in most cases. You can 'fix' either of those stats by making your system be about taking more shots from everywhere (like how Carolina plays) but that's not the problem here.

Imo the biggest reason Leafs lost is that, as a group, they're not good at handling adversity, which every team faces at times. Once again, they were one good game away from making the next round. We've all seen this story before
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The shot-based stats show something (but not everything). This regular season the top three teams in xGF% were Carolina, Florida, Edmonton. Dallas was 15th.

Both Florida & Edmonton have that quality of being able to take over the game when they want. They've both showed their quality in these playoffs. Carolina might be in that category or might not - I can't totally read them.
 
mandiblesofdoom said:
The shot-based stats show something (but not everything). This regular season the top three teams in xGF% were Carolina, Florida, Edmonton. Dallas was 15th.

Both Florida & Edmonton have that quality of being able to take over the game when they want. They've both showed their quality in these playoffs. Carolina might be in that category or might not - I can't totally read them.
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Yep, Dallas's 5v5 xGF% was 15th (at 50.13%), just behind Nashville (50.29%) and just ahead of Pittsburgh, Calgary, and Vancouver (50.06%, 50.04%, 49.5%), and xGF is fundamentally based on the shot differential stats combined with the location of shot. The poster I replied to was implying some version of "Corsi is generally necessary for cup winners" which isn't true at all, like you said it's one datapoint of many.

Carolina's it's own thing because they're a team that I feel like was put together by people who really believe in that stuff. Their system means they shoot from everywhere and don't necessarily care about setting up the perfect play, which juices their advanced stats even though they don't really have any offensive superstars. Time will tell if this type of team build / system works with regard to building cup winners rather than just better than average teams, personally I'm not sure. We'll see
 
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