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When does the club send out notices to the season ticket holders, that prices are going up 8.4%...........

They have to fire Shanny.................have to.
Fans of the team, fans of other teams have been telling them for 7 years the Core Four were paid too much, and were not playoff performers.....they keep playing with the D and the bottom 6??
 
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Now, I'm assuming he's correct, so there's your issue.

Also, I'm pretty sure none of those were scored by the core 4, which is even more crazy.

If I recall correctly, Sportsnet posted that the core 4 has 0 goals in games 7s and just a few assists each.

Could be mistaken, but even if so, it's maybe 1 that has scored.

I went from wanting Marner to being pretty much convinced you have to make this guy a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

Not only does he not help you at times, he hurts your team more than he helps.
 
RiverbottomChuck said:
As long as you guys are there at your current level I'm not sure they will have much say in long playoff runs for a few years.
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I mean, hopefully, for our sakes lol, but Bruins have been counted out for a long time and still ran teams over on the way to the playoffs. Will be interesting to see what they do.
 
First, Shanahan needs to go. Ultimately, the players are the most responsible, but 11 years is just too big a sample size to allow him to be the one to oversee any organizational shift, especially after being so stubborn about the core. Not to defend Dubas and the mistakes he made here, but his musing about the need for potential change after 2023 and the lack of it when he left puts that decision entirely on Shanahan.

Second, while that's the hard part. I do think Marner is walking. I just don't see any scenario where you can run it back, especially at the number he'd command to stay, even if he wanted to.But where you go from there is difficult. He's an elite two-way player who just put up 100 points. The Leafs have actually spent years sacrificing scoring depth to try and "playoff ready" their team. They've made some wrong choices and brought in guys past their sell-by date at times, but they have tried to bring in heavier guys or guys with more grit. So, you need to be incredibly careful in thinking bringing in a 55 point guy with jam is really a solution.Tavares is trickier. You're getting him at less than he's making now...but how much less? And do you want to buy into the back half of his 30s? The only real reason you'd contemplate anything other than an extremely team friendly deal is that your centre depth is terrible, but again, are you paying for his 2024 season and getting a 2026 version? I'd be very hesitant. The best comparison is probably Stamkos in that, yeah, he wants to stay, would take a haircut, but probably not a buzzcut and some team is going to offer multiple years at a pretty uncomfortable number if you're the Leafs.

It's going to be a fascinating offseason where big choices will have to be made. No earthly clue what they'll do, but the fantasy booking offseason from some is far from a guarantee and could exacerbate a big weakness of the team.
 
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It’s almost unbelievable how bad these guys are in the playoffs. You’d think even just by coincidence they’d have won one of these game 7’s by now.

Oh well, they’ll get a couple bottom 6 guys, resign Marner to a huge deal and run it back for the same result. It’s going on a decade of this and it’ll continue. Shanahan will keep his job and status quo will be maintained.
 
Laus723 said:
I mean, hopefully, for our sakes lol, but Bruins have been counted out for a long time and still ran teams over on the way to the playoffs. Will be interesting to see what they do.
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In reality with the current group 3 things need to happen for them to not stay in the dumpster.
1. Swayman remembers how to play goalie
2. The Lindholms have better years, one being not the players fault at all.
3. A few prospects are actually NHL'ers and can take some of the offensive responsibility soley off Pasta.

If those happen they can maybe squeak in and be a spoiler type team but to be fair I think the B's are like the 2nd or 3rd youngest team in the league which you wouldn't guess by looking at them.
 
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RiverbottomChuck said:
In reality with the current group 3 things need to happen for them to not stay in the dumpster.
1. Swayman remembers how to play goalie
2. The Lindholms have better years, one being not the players fault at all.
3. A few prospects are actually NHL'ers and can take some of the offensive responsibility soley off Pasta.

If those happen they can maybe squeak in and be a spoiler type team but to be fair I think the B's are like the 2nd or 3rd youngest team in the league which you wouldn't guess by looking at them.
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Really? I didn’t know that. I think #1 is by far the biggest thing that needs to happen. That said, he didn’t get a good start to the season as negotiations went on and that will be out of the way this year.
 
Strangle said:
There’s a guy who was more checked out than Marner and Matthews combined last night
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Nylander is a bitch!!! He is a bum in his own zone, has no physical game, and does not get in to those dirty areas that you need to in order to win playoffs games and series. He is the one who would storm the beaches of Normandy 40 years after D-Day! Pathetic player who is the antithesis of a playoff warrior!
 
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The don godfather said:
I doubt bennett wants to come here from a winning organization to a circus. There more to money when a player signs.
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Entirely possible. But if he gets his second cup this year, wants to cash in and be a part of a shift in culture elsewhere, it would make sense. By the simple fact that there aren't a lot of other options, he's going to get a lot of offers on July 1st.
 
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Laus723 said:
Really? I didn’t know that. I think #1 is by far the biggest thing that needs to happen. That said, he didn’t get a good start to the season as negotiations went on and that will be out of the way this year.
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He didn't do himself any favors by stinking up the joint at worlds this past week either. He needed a break but probably feels he needs to play out of the rut. He's a youngish though and should be fine, as you guys know very well goalies are weird and can go from a sieve to a brick wall in between periods let alone an offseason.
 
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BLNY said:
Entirely possible. But if he gets his second cup this year, wants to cash in and be a part of a shift in culture elsewhere, it would make sense. By the simple fact that there aren't a lot of other options, he's going to get a lot of offers on July 1st.
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I would eat my hat that he comes here he saw the media circus I doubt he wants to deal with this all nonsense. Tons of other teams with less media scrutiny out there. But I guess let's and wait and see.
 
The don godfather said:
I would eat my hat that he comes here he saw the media circus I doubt he wants to deal with this all nonsense. Tons of other teams with less media scrutiny out there. But I guess let's and wait and see.
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Totally fair. I'm certainly looking at it from the "what do the Leafs need to do" perspective. I do think the media circus has more to do with the present core simply not leaving in the ice for the last 7 years plus. Far too many guys looking to play as long as they can instead as well as they can.
 
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Fatass said:
Personally I relish times when both the Leafs and the Habs are both losers. So this year is great!
Although I do also believe that the next decade will be fingers, toes, and eyes crossed for the Habs to choke in the playoffs like this last decade has been for the Leafs. It’s such a happy playoffs with both out. Come on Dallas!
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The Habs definitely don't come out of this season as losers. Nobody expected them to make the playoffs. They fought a hard battle against the top team in the East. This season looks more like a teaser of what's to come.
 
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