Prospect Info: The First Annual Jaster Prospect Ranking List

[Frk It]

Can someone please help me understand the logic behind Finnie over NDN?

They are the same age. Do people think Finnie would make a SHL team right now and would be able to match NDN's production? I am not sold on that.

I also think if NDN was playing in the WHL the last 2 seasons he would out-produce what Finnie has done.

So those of you that feel Finnie is top 10 and NDN is not top 15.... I would like to hear the argument behind that.

 

[izlez]

Can someone please help me understand the logic behind Finnie over NDN?

They are the same age. Do people think Finnie would make a SHL team right now and would be able to match NDN's production? I am not sold on that.

I also think if NDN was playing in the WHL the last 2 seasons he would out-produce what Finnie has done.

So those of you that feel Finnie is top 10 and NDN is not top 15.... I would like to hear the argument behind that.

Personally, I don't have a real strong opinion on either of these guys, but you're not really making an argument here.

Do people think Finnie would make a SHL team right now and would be able to match NDN's production?
Yes.
I also think if NDN was playing in the WHL the last 2 seasons he would out-produce what Finnie has done.
I disagree.


He's a forward that has a grand total of 15 points in all competitions being drafted a year and a half ago (Finnie has 127). 10 points in the SHL. There is going to have to be some hard selling of his highlight videos to overcome those low numbers, and I don't know that I've seen many videos of him, if any at all.

 

[19 for president]

Can someone please help me understand the logic behind Finnie over NDN?

They are the same age. Do people think Finnie would make a SHL team right now and would be able to match NDN's production? I am not sold on that.

I also think if NDN was playing in the WHL the last 2 seasons he would out-produce what Finnie has done.

So those of you that feel Finnie is top 10 and NDN is not top 15.... I would like to hear the argument behind that.

From a purely (probably unfair) stat watching standard NDN has many points as AntJo does as a dman and NDN is barely top 200 for SEL scorers. Finnie is in the top 20 in the WHL in scoring. Also 68 vs 8 points = one guy gets a lot more highlights to watch than the other lol.

Now there is a obviously a big difference between the two leagues as the SEL is much lower scoring league and NDN is playing against men, but he also isn't putting up eye popping stats either. Pretty decent stats for a 19 year old in the SEL yes, but they aren't eye popping. He is tied for 19th in SEL under 22 scoring.

I feel like in general unless they are putting up ASP level numbers its hard to really judge players that project as skill players in the SEL unless you can watch them, whereas high scoring in the WHL is an easier predicator of potential NHL success in the future. Like Ray never put up mind blowing stats over there but has obviously become a great NHLer, you also see lots of top SEL scorers never make in the NHL.

I would also argue NDN is probably scoring role or bust whereas Finnie players a game that could probably better translate into a bottom 6 role if his skills don't continue to develop.

I also think people are probably just a little shy on putting him higher up because LDN hasn't amounted to much.

So to sum it up: objectively lower floor, more highlights, easier to compare to peers, WHL stats are easier to evaluate than SEL stats, LDN shyness.

 

[Frk It]

From a purely (probably unfair) stat watching standard NDN has many points as AntJo does as a dman and NDN is barely top 200 for SEL scorers. Finnie is in the top 20 in the WHL in scoring. Also 68 vs 8 points = one guy gets a lot more highlights to watch than the other lol.

Now there is a obviously a big difference between the two leagues as the SEL is much lower scoring league and NDN is playing against men, but he also isn't putting up eye popping stats either. Pretty decent stats for a 19 year old in the SEL yes, but they aren't eye popping. He is tied for 19th in SEL under 22 scoring.

I feel like in general unless they are putting up ASP level numbers its hard to really judge players that project as skill players in the SEL unless you can watch them, whereas high scoring in the WHL is an easier predicator of potential NHL success in the future. Like Ray never put up mind blowing stats over there but has obviously become a great NHLer, you also see lots of top SEL scorers never make in the NHL.

I would also argue NDN is probably scoring role or bust whereas Finnie players a game that could probably better translate into a bottom 6 role if his skills don't continue to develop.

I also think people are probably just a little shy on putting him higher up because LDN hasn't amounted to much.

So to sum it up: objectively lower floor, more highlights, easier to compare to peers, WHL stats are easier to evaluate than SEL stats, LDN shyness.

Ok well NDN also only has a few points less than MBN who people have top 5 and they are only 6 months apart.

If you want to see what NDN does at the Junior level look what he did in his draft season (not his +2 like Finnie).

NDN was also selected to play for Sweden at the Hlinka and U18s, which is not easy to do.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Can someone please help me understand the logic behind Finnie over NDN?

They are the same age. Do people think Finnie would make a SHL team right now and would be able to match NDN's production? I am not sold on that.

I also think if NDN was playing in the WHL the last 2 seasons he would out-produce what Finnie has done.

So those of you that feel Finnie is top 10 and NDN is not top 15.... I would like to hear the argument behind that.

I am on the run today, but I had Finnie at 6 (same as at the start of the season) and Noah at 15 (same as the start of the season), mostly based on personal observation bias ad a few other tidbits.

I watched Finnie (and Danielson and others) at several midget age tourneys in Alberta when I lived out there years ago (I moved back to Nova Scotia).

I used to coach midget AA (a real long time ago), I have literally seen hundreds of kids who have the skills and heart to be NHL players (I know a few of them too) but never, ever got the size needed to be an NHL player to match their skill level.

Finnie was one of those players I had tabbed as one who had all the tools, just never excepted him to get the size needed to support his playing style. The size versus skill versus heart curve for NHL players is a real thing.

When the wings signed him and Petes2424 said he was playing at 190ish pounds at 18, I instantly understood why they did, the kids is a f_____g hockey player, and now looks like he will easily get to the size to go with the game he plays in the NHL.

I suspect Finnie will end up in a middle 6 role for most of his prime playing days, but he plays a game that suits the playoffs.

If he ends up in the 215-225 pound range, he may even get into the top 6, he may end up lower, but he has the tools needed to play in the NHL up and down the lineup, which always forms a big part of my ranking for NHL readiness and longevity. I see him as a 2026/27 on the roster player.

I have a couple of buddies (mostly ex WHL players) out west who do go to a lot of games, they keep tabs on the wings prospects for me when they come to town. (Great way to keep in touch)

Another reason I would have him higher than Noah is the wings inked him to an ELC in March 2024 (his D+1 as a 7th round pick) last year, so I suspect they have him ranked higher internally too, and I am pretty sure they scout him more than I do.

Stats are not everything, but to be fair to NDN, the only time I have seen him was the training camp clips, if he gets over here next year, we can see where he is and re-access things then, but today's snap shot is my snap shot today, we'll look at it again at the end of the season.

 

[Frk It]

I am on the run today, but I had Finnie at 6 (same as at the start of the season) and Noah at 15 (same as the start of the season), mostly based on personal observation bias ad a few other tidbits.

I watched Finnie (and Danielson and others) at several midget age tourneys in Alberta when I lived out there years ago (I moved back to Nova Scotia).

I used to coach midget AA (a real long time ago), I have literally seen hundreds of kids who have the skills and heart to be NHL players (I know a few of them too) but never, ever got the size needed to be an NHL player to match their skill level.

Finnie was one of those players I had tabbed as one who had all the tools, just never excepted him to get the size needed to support his playing style. The size versus skill versus heart curve for NHL players is a real thing.

When the wings signed him and Petes2424 said he was playing at 190ish pounds at 18, I instantly understood why they did, the kids is a f_____g hockey player, and now looks like he will easily get to the size to go with the game he plays in the NHL.

I suspect Finnie will end up in a middle 6 role for most of his prime playing days, but he plays a game that suits the playoffs.

If he ends up in the 215-225 pound range, he may even get into the top 6, he may end up lower, but he has the tools needed to play in the NHL up and down the lineup, which always forms a big part of my ranking for NHL readiness and longevity. I see him as a 2026/27 on the roster player.

I have a couple of buddies (mostly ex WHL players) out west who do go to a lot of games, they keep tabs on the wings prospects for me when they come to town. (Great way to keep in touch)

Another reason I would have him higher than Noah is the wings inked him to an ELC in March 2024 (his D+1 as a 7th round pick) last year, so I suspect they have him ranked higher internally too, and I am pretty sure they scout him more than I do.

Stats are not everything, but to be fair to NDN, the only time I have seen him was the training camp clips, if he gets over here next year, we can see where he is and re-access things then, but today's snap shot is my snap shot today, we'll look at it again at the end of the season.

Really appreciate the detailed post explaining your stance

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

LDN is having himself a decent season. This is his last year before the Wings lose his rights though, so he kind of has to.

NDN is playing 4th line in Frolunda. He might be better off going to Allsvenskan like his brother to get a bigger role.


I’m starting to think we need a new “everything Swedish” thread.

 

[Frk It]

LDN is having himself a decent season. This is his last year before the Wings lose his rights though, so he kind of has to.

NDN is playing 4th line in Frolunda. He might be better off going to Allsvenskan like his brother to get a bigger role.


I’m starting to think we need a new “everything Swedish” thread.

I mean he’s doing quite a bit with those 10 minute a game or so he’s getting, again he is only a few points off what MBN has done this year. I think it’s better for him to play up a level, I think next year he takes a step forwards and people will have him ranked top 10 on here.

LDN has not been relevant as a prospect in a minute… I have no idea why anyone brings him up. Guys playing in the Allsvenskan in their +4 season are not NHL prospects.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean he’s doing quite a bit with those 10 minute a game or so he’s getting, again he is only a few points off what MBN has done this year. I think it’s better for him to play up a level, I think next year he takes a step forwards and people will have him ranked top 10 on here.

LDN has not been relevant as a prospect in a minute… I have no idea why anyone brings him up. Guys playing in the Allsvenskan in their +4 season are not NHL prospects.

I think it’s still worth keeping an eye on LDN. Who knows? He might be decent depth for Grand Rapids for a year or two if the Wings sign him.

I think his season warrants that kind of chance. He’s not as far gone as Niederbach.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

----------------------------- Make the big club
1.ASP
2.Cossa
3.Danielson
4.Augustine
5.Buchelnikov
6.MBN
7.Mazur
8.Buium
9.Lombardi
------------------------------- Hopefuls
10.Plante
11.Kiiskinen
12.Finnie
------------------------------- Doubtfuls
13.Wallinder
14.Tuomisto
15.An. Johansson

 

[Frk It]

Has anyone tried saying Cross Hanas out loud 3x?

I feel like that would probably make Jaster appear.

Or we could try saying IPA's or Michigan hockey are overrated.

 

[Electric Eric]

I think Hanas has more potential than Mazur.

Go Navy, Beat Army.

MBH is right.

 

[Winger98]

Has anyone tried saying Cross Hanas out loud 3x?

I feel like that would probably make Jaster appear.

Or we could try saying IPA's or Michigan hockey are overrated.

wait, IPAs being overrated is controversial?

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Or maybe he's just busy.

I just moved back to MI and started a new job. I haven't had time to watch games, much less post. Besides, I can't comment if I'm not watching games. Kinda sucks because they're finally playing well.

It's a lot more convenient to watch games on the West Coast, the games are 3 hours earlier. I go to sleep before 10pm now....

This is likely. I'm very very limited with what I do on here now because this time of year is dogshit for work

 

[lilidk]

Finnie +2 rating is amazing compared to the rest of the team , doesn't playing lately

 

[19 for president]

Finnie +2 rating is amazing compared to the rest of the team , doesn't playing lately

That is actually kind of wild. I don't usually put a lot into +/- but I'm not sure how he is positive.... like I'm questioning if he is teleporting off the ice before every opposing goal.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Finnie +2 rating is amazing compared to the rest of the team , doesn't playing lately

He was hurt on Feb 7, upper body injury, out for a month was the forecast, so expect him back in the Blazers lineup around the NHL TDL break.