The Evander Kane situation

[brentashton]

What I've picked up from some of the capologists and insiders:

-You can't force a player to stay on LTIR. There is a grievance process when teams and players disagree (we've seen this with Lupul and others in the past)
-The NHL won't approve a trade that circumvents the cap. When a trade will put a team into LTIR past the deadline, they will usually ask for an opinion from the team's doctors that the player will not be fit to play during the regular season, and confirmation from the player that they don't dispute the opinion.
-E. Kane really wants to play regular season games, and has seen some of his own doctors.

My best guess is that the team's doctors think Kane shouldn't play, but Kane wants to come back early and found a doctor to dispute the teams position.

This post is so much closer to the truth than much of what has been posted here. Thank you for this.

I might have worded the last sentence a little differently, but I get what you mean. He clearly has a differing medical opinion (that he is entitled to seek), that is equally valid. That is not surprising, it happens often in the medical field. I mean you could go to two doctors today and get two different assessments and approaches on how to deal with toenail fungus.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What I've picked up from some of the capologists and insiders:

-You can't force a player to stay on LTIR. There is a grievance process when teams and players disagree (we've seen this with Lupul and others in the past)
-The NHL won't approve a trade that circumvents the cap. When a trade will put a team into LTIR past the deadline, they will usually ask for an opinion from the team's doctors that the player will not be fit to play during the regular season, and confirmation from the player that they don't dispute the opinion.
-E. Kane really wants to play regular season games, and has seen some of his own doctors.

My best guess is that the team's doctors think Kane shouldn't play, but Kane wants to come back early and found a doctor to dispute the teams position.

Ok so Kucherov and Stone play ball and E. Kane doesn't?

We make him a healthy scratch all playoffs. We hold bigger cards if we choose.

The biggest question I have: Is this Kane really wanting to come back for three games or is this the Oilers "excuse" or "cop out" for not adding.

 

[Arpeggio]

Ok so Kucherov and Stone play ball and Kane doesn't?

He's a healthy scratch all playoffs. We hold bigger cards if we choose.

The biggest question I have: Is this Kane really wanting to come back for three games or is this the Oilers "excuse" or "cop out" for not adding.

Why wouldn't the Oilers want to add? Of course they'd want to add 5 million dollars worth of players if they could.

 

[Boner Pills]

I see sales have spiked for the popular family game "Jumping to Conclusions".

Or else Evander finished medical school this off-season and can clear himself to play.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

The fact that it’s murky should make the whole process easier to game.

Half the cup winners in the league have players that get it and are willing to remain “injured” until game 1 of the playoffs when they are all of a sudden magically healthy.

If this isn’t what happens with Kane then either the Oilers are too incompetent to figure this out or Kane would rather put himself ahead of the team.

I’ll take your stance and wait until tomorrow to find out what the plan with Kane is before jumping to conclusions though.

This is a great bang on post. If Friday passes and we don't do shit then add this to list of maybe one of the worst managed seasons in history by Jeff Jackson and Bowman.

Why wouldn't the Oilers want to add? Of course they'd want to add 5 million dollars worth of players if they could.

That is what I am asking.

Why didn't the team trade for Blackwood? Why didn't we match Holloway? Why did we sign Jeff Skinner? All great questions.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

That likely does happen if it's that late in the season. He could be cleared in two weeks though. Nobody knows. That's why they can't confidently spend his money.

EVEN if we assume 2 weeks - and again, that’s being extremely generous given he isn’t even skating with full contact yet, that takes you to March 20.

Then you send him on an LTIR conditioning stint. That takes you to March 29 as his first game back.

All of this for 10 games? He can easily say “I’m not feeling well” and no one would question it. There’s no one forcing him to play.

 

[brentashton]

There are some serious tin foil helmets being modelled on here.

 

[McDNicks17]

EVEN if we assume 2 weeks - and again, that’s being extremely generous given he isn’t even skating with full contact yet, that takes you to March 20.

Then you send him on an LTIR conditioning stint. That takes you to March 29 as his first game back.

All of this for 10 games? He can easily say “I’m not feeling well” and no one would question it. There’s no one forcing him to play.

That part isn't true though. If the doctor clears him, he's off LTIR.

Sure, you could try to game the system, but are you willing to risk massive penalties on a policy that the NHL can change their mind on at any second without any recourse?

 

[bucks_oil]

Something doesn't smell right here. Let's keep the posts reasonable, realistic and not let emotions take over. There is no way the Oilers should let Kane come back with say 5 games left in the season. That move is right there with signing Campbell. It's right there with letting Holloway walk. It's pure idiocy.
The team could waive him, tell him he would be healthy scratched all playoffs, play him 5 min a night, threaten garbage ice next season, trade him etc.

Something doesn't smell right. Evander Kane is not holding up the team over 5 games. His team mates would despise him and the team at the end of the day could really screw him and holds the bigger cards. (look above)

There is no way other cup champs do it and we don't: CHI with P. Kane, TBL with Kuch, VGK with Stone

If Kane truly was coming back we wouldn't/shouldn't have given Klingberg 1.8, screw our deadline plans and handcuff us further.

Maybe the team is waiting to see if they find a deal they like and if they don't they will blame the "Kane situation" as the reason why they didn't add? A cop out.
Maybe the Oilers are bluffing the media so they don't get "caught" or "investigated"

Our window to win is now and we are on the tail end of it. They say it's a sellers market and again I will say that something here just doesn't smell right.

I don't believe for a second that management doesn't know what is going on. They might be bad, but they aren't this stupid.

To me it is very simple:

1) Either he’s not back till playoffs and the Oilers PR machine is feeding all sorts of misinformation, or
2) They both agree that they can’t stretch the truth enough and he’s close to ready… in which case he’ll be traded if they find a better way to spend the money, or kept if they can’t.

I don’t think there is a scenario where the Oilers are “stuck” taking him back and actually don’t want him.

 

[foshizzle]

That part isn't true though. If the doctor clears him, he's off LTIR.

Sure, you could try to game the system, but are you willing to risk massive penalties on a policy that the NHL can change their mind on at any second without any recourse?

Not that simple. Doctors may clear him but that doesnt mean he is ready to play. He also has to pass a physical.

 

[McDNicks17]

Not that simple. Doctors may clear him but that doesnt mean he is ready to play. He also has to pass a physical.

I would assume the physical is part of clearing.

 

[bucks_oil]

Well then he should have started the surgeries sooner and not wait until the end of summer. Then he could come back and make a difference, but coming back for 3 games just to screw our cap is something that management/ the owner shouldn't allow.

3 freaking games..................

It would be completely illogical for him to have waited till the end of the summer right?

Just like it would be completely illogical for him to ELECT to get his knee surgery AFTER rehabbing his hips/groin, right?

Why not start earlier?

Why not do them in parallel?

Answer that and you’ll be able to relax a bit.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

To me it is very simple:

1) Either he’s not back till playoffs and the Oilers PR machine is feeding all sorts of misinformation, or
2) They both agree that they can’t stretch the truth enough and he’s close to ready… in which case he’ll be traded if they find a better way to spend the money, or kept if they can’t.

I don’t think there is a scenario where the Oilers are “stuck” taking him back and actually don’t want him.

I agree with this post

There are some serious tin foil helmets being modelled on here.

You are being way too passive about the fact that Management completely screwed the team up after it went to game 7 of the SCF

Sure we are assuming that we aren't trading for anyone good, but we will assume until this Management (with a beyond horrific track record) actually does something good.

I have higher standards.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Also didn't we see the exact same song and dance they did in August?

From August 12th

General consensus: "Yeah, Kane will likely have surgery in September"
2 Mutts: "Actually... Evander Kane will be ready for training camp... Going on LTIR isn’t the plan according to sources"
The media: "Well isn't this a murky situation." Even if the other hypothetical is bats**t insane,


That time also featured the whole "Kane wants to play, and will. Even if it hurts the team"
Instead he arrived for medicals and 10 days later went for surgery. All without a fuss.

 

[brentashton]

I agree with this post


You are being way too passive about the fact that Management completely screwed the team up after it went to game 7 of the SCF

Sure we are assuming that we aren't trading for anyone good, but we will assume until this Management (with a beyond horrific track record) actually does something good.

I have higher standards.

Hey I agree management needs to be much better. But, let’s not muddy that with all this BullShit about Kane and what he should do with respect to his rehab and medical readiness. It’s not Kane’s responsibility to correct for Jeff Jackson’s season of ineptitude.

PS if you think my post was referring to you without saying, maybe it was.

 

[bucks_oil]

I agree with this post


You are being way too passive about the fact that Management completely screwed the team up after it went to game 7 of the SCF

Sure we are assuming that we aren't trading for anyone good, but we will assume until this Management (with a beyond horrific track record) actually does something good.

I have higher standards.

There is a lot of revisionist history here. Many people (most I’d say) were entirely happy with Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner added UNTIL the offer sheets happened.

Then people were surprised at the consequences and angry about it. (A few like me, were skeptical, but willing to reserve judgement until the deadline to see how the money was spent… though I was upset about Holloway, I preferred an RD/Goalie at the deadline rather than Holloway when push comes to shove)

In any case, Arvidsson and Skinner BOTH falling off a cliff was not exactly a predictable outcome.

So it’s not like management went out to actively screw up the team… the outcome was not entirely predictable, and many of us LIKED the outlook of the team now that Draisaitl had a former 30 goal winger on one side, and a former 40 goal scorer on the other.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

Congrats on hand waving away logical thoughts since you clearly don't have any of your own lol

Why would I respond to a post that basically said you blame Evander Kane playing through injury for the Oilers not winning the cup?

I'm expecting to read your next rage post complaining about Ekholm playing through his sickness and costing the Oilers first in the division next lol.

You want to follow a team full of p***yes. I get it. Like I said before it was a garbage post.

 

[Boner Pills]

I would assume the physical is part of clearing.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

Not only would there be repercussions from the NHL for a fraudulent medical report, but also for the doctor from his medical associations.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Hey I agree management needs to be much better. But, let’s not muddy that with all this BullShit about Kane and what he should do with respect to his rehab and medical readiness. It’s not Kane’s responsibility to correct for Jeff Jackson’s season of ineptitude.

PS if you think my post was referring to you without saying, maybe it was.

You aren’t seeing the bigger picture. I’m not blaming Kane here

 

[AddyTheWrath]

That part isn't true though. If the doctor clears him, he's off LTIR.

Sure, you could try to game the system, but are you willing to risk massive penalties on a policy that the NHL can change their mind on at any second without any recourse?

No doctor is going to force you to play if you’re still not 100%. The medical world isn’t black and white like that.

In any case, LFG

 

[McDNicks17]

He only hasn't put back to back days of intense workouts together because he's timing his return to be three days left in the season!

 

[bucks_oil]

No doctor is going to force you to play if you’re still not 100%. The medical world isn’t black and white like that.

In any case, LFG

Wow what a surprise!



Oilers just playing the game and keeping cards close to the chest.

Fans freak out.

Let’s just wait and see what happens. We can rage-post on Saturday.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

Why would I respond to a post that basically said you blame Evander Kane playing through injury for the Oilers not winning the cup?

I'm expecting to read your next rage post complaining about Ekholm playing through his sickness and costing the Oilers first in the division next lol.

You want to follow a team full of p***yes. I get it. Like I said before it was a garbage post.

Do you know what the word hypothetical means?

Are you seriously going to try to tell me that a healthy Kane in the playoff last year wouldn't have made a huge difference??

My lord. I'm done here, goodbye.

 

[joestevens29]

That part isn't true though. If the doctor clears him, he's off LTIR.

Sure, you could try to game the system, but are you willing to risk massive penalties on a policy that the NHL can change their mind on at any second without any recourse?

It is pretty easy to not to get cleared by doctors if he wanted. Just has to complain that something is still bothering him.

 

[oobga]

Everything around Kane has been so weird these last 2 seasons. I’m just gonna say being a fan of this team is super annoying.