Player Discussion: The Elvis Thread
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I listened to the whole interview and, as usual, he made it all about him and discounted any help from the goalie coach (outside of helping his mindset). In fact, it was the final straw that pushed me into the Anyone But Elvis camp.
Even when he complimented the way the team blocked shots yesterday, it was because “the guys played hard for me.” Hard to break it to him, they’re great at blocking shots all the time and they play for many other things than the guy in net that night.
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Just to get things clear at this point…. I was considered a “hater” of the team for “hating” Merzlikins because he was apart of the team…
Am I now considered a “defender/supporter” of the team for “hating” Merzlikins?? Just trying to follow.
Also, are we gonna treat the “supporters” of Elvis, the same way the “haters” have been treated in the past? Is your allegiance to the team or a single player??
Would be absolutely fascinating to see Jarmo trick OTT into a Korpisalo/Elvis swap. He has a way of managing a way out of his blunders.
And with Babcock.
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Am I now considered a “defender/supporter” of the team for “hating” Merzlikins?? Just trying to follow.
Also, are we gonna treat the “supporters” of Elvis, the same way the “haters” have been treated in the past? Is your allegiance to the team or a single player??
Would be absolutely fascinating to see Jarmo trick OTT into a Korpisalo/Elvis swap. He has a way of managing a way out of his blunders.
Without Laine and Elvis.
And with Babcock.
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Bob was and is a completely different level of goalie than Elvis is and there weren’t really any problems on or off the ice until he was nearly a UFA. And overall, the only actual “problem” with him was his cap hit and how he performed against the very best teams in the league, who at the time we WERE competing against head to head in the playoffs regularly.
With or without my feelings on Korpisalo at the time, I was of the opinion they should have moved Bob when he started being vocal about his “plans” for the future and all that. But, how he handled himself seems to be completely different from Elvis. Most of all his “angst” was directed towards the front office and I don’t remember a single “shot” he ever took at the team or his teammates in any way. His play was only questionable for a short period from what I can remember.
As a noted “hater” of both guys, Bobrovsky was such a better goalie than Elvis.
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Holy f*** man get a grip. Not every post you make has to be a long Elvis hate post and self pitying happy dance.
Yes, you are still a hater. The definition of it, actually.
Yes, you were right about things with Elvis. Enjoy a damn cookie or something since it’s apparently all Laine/elvis fault and not Torts.
Yes, you were WRONG about Korpisalo. He’s been ass in Ottawa, idk if you’ve heard.
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Is it possible that you are really Korpi and just upset that Elvis beat you out of the contract you thought you deserved. All joking aside we understand that you really really dislike Elvis but attacking him for the contract he got is counterproductive and we all agree he was overpaid.
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Iron Balls McGinty
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That’s your choice to take it that way but the question at the time was about his offseason work. Coaches and players don’t work together in the offseason. I’m pretty sure it is written in the CBA and contact is limited so Elvis saying his offseason positioning work was all him is not out of the question.
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again. Everyone loves Elvis and his quirks when the team is winning but when the team isn’t, he’s the first person they turn on wether it is warranted or not.
If this team had a better option, I’d say fine. But they don’t. As with most other players who leave the CBJ, I expect him to be successful with a change of scenery while we sit here and continue to wonder why our coaching and player management sucks.
Let's jsut say that Chicago doesn't win three Cups in six years if they draft first or second in 2006 instead of third. Jonathan Toews stepped into a franchise that was a total disaster at age 19 and immediately took charge. We need that kind of leader. Jenner is not it. Werenski is too Midwestern nice, passive-aggressive and go-along. Not a good fit for C. Jenner is a lead by example but not a Toews.
(obviously the flaws of Toews came to light later, but at the time his Captain Serious schtick WORKED)
They're were multiple questions during that interview. Anyway, the organization is stupid to let it get to this point because instead of having little trade leverage, they now have no trade leverage.
Every post? Little disingenuous, eh?? Why is the dude being treated any different than Jeff Carter?? Just wait till hopefully some of these journalists actually do their jobs and you get info how he’s negatively impacted the team over the years or starts trashing the team after he leaves. Then the Elvis defenders tune will change overnight, guaranteed.
“Right about things”. Yeah, that about covers it, eh?
Torts?!? Well at this point we’re on coach 3 in 4 years who people think is the issue. Or Erik f***ing Gudbranson who hasn’t even been here that long.
At some point the “haters” aren’t the problem, it’s the “lovers” of CLEARLY problem players like Laine and Merzlikins.
The only reason I bring up Korpisalo is because of his start with OTT. And if you didn’t know, they are 1 of the only teams in the league that plays as sketchy of a defense as the CBJ. It would be a fascinating trade and while I don’t think it’s likely, it’s probably more possible than many other scenarios.
Korpisalo > Greaves > Martin > Merzlikins=Tarasov
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Nobody ever claim there were geniuses running this team. I have zero patience for the front office at this point.
What kind of deal overall would you be thinking? With how things are torn between the team and player Id dont think youd get much pushback here assuming the adds arent over the top
I mean, If CBJ retains 1-1.5M I would trade Georgiev for him. No other pieces needed but not sure if value is right.
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I’d do it. Georgiev only has a few years left on his contract and that retention isn’t too bad although spread out over 4 years isn’t ideal. But we’re not exactly dealing from a position of strength
Yeah, Georgiev has only 1,5 years left on his deal. I personally trust Elvis more when he is on his game and Elvis needs a change of scenery. Let's fax the papers.
minus 1.5 of that triumvirate, yes.
And with that post I guess I've terminated my self-imposed holiday radio silence.
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IMO - Laine just is not a fit for this team. Sorry he's injured, but in my mind that does not negatively affect CBJ on-ice performance as a team; the injuries just make Laine untradeable. He's a full -1.0 in my book for the CBJ. A team that needs a PP one-timer from the left circle - he'd be gold in the playoffs for that team.
Elvis is the -.5 in my imo. You need a little pizzaz, a little goofball, a little boast, to be a good goalie in the NHL. He has those qualities and some skill. Has he performed at the level he thinks? No. Has he performed at the level the CBJ needs to see from him (based on contract and need)? No. But from what I see, he still has the potential to be a solid #1, if given a season without some screwy scenarios (Kivi, Larsen, injuries, no D, Jarmo, etc.). His performance THIS season has been mostly a B, but was trending the right way, especially given the defensive structure problems this team has. I'm not sure why Elvis sat for 5-6 games; maybe it was the Wilson thing, maybe something else. The problem is that Elvis doesn't know why he got sat. Maybe deserved, maybe not. But the communication from the FO/Coaching is for the most part non-existent and you don't have strong vocal leadership to get past that. If the true reason for sitting Elvis for 5-6 consecutive games was to get a look at Tarasov a) he gets treated like a #1 for 2 weeks means Tarasov plays 2 out of 3 games and Elvis gets the net every third game, and b) you communicate it to Elvis. One of those two things definitely did not happen. I really don't think b) happened either, because JK and Vincent can't get their own stories straight, let alone communicate it to Elvis.
Elvis gets some of the blame too - he's too pizza, too boasting, without the results to back it up yet.
Thus why losing half of Elvis would make the CBJ better. Just make sure we lose the BAD half!
Gaudreau - Of course his presence makes CBJ better. That's easier for me to write today, as he shows recent signs of coming out of whatever funk he's been in - perhaps just getting the right linemates.
Elvis is the -.5 in my imo. You need a little pizzaz, a little goofball, a little boast, to be a good goalie in the NHL. He has those qualities and some skill. Has he performed at the level he thinks? No. Has he performed at the level the CBJ needs to see from him (based on contract and need)? No. But from what I see, he still has the potential to be a solid #1, if given a season without some screwy scenarios (Kivi, Larsen, injuries, no D, Jarmo, etc.). His performance THIS season has been mostly a B, but was trending the right way, especially given the defensive structure problems this team has. I'm not sure why Elvis sat for 5-6 games; maybe it was the Wilson thing, maybe something else. The problem is that Elvis doesn't know why he got sat. Maybe deserved, maybe not. But the communication from the FO/Coaching is for the most part non-existent and you don't have strong vocal leadership to get past that. If the true reason for sitting Elvis for 5-6 consecutive games was to get a look at Tarasov a) he gets treated like a #1 for 2 weeks means Tarasov plays 2 out of 3 games and Elvis gets the net every third game, and b) you communicate it to Elvis. One of those two things definitely did not happen. I really don't think b) happened either, because JK and Vincent can't get their own stories straight, let alone communicate it to Elvis.
Elvis gets some of the blame too - he's too pizza, too boasting, without the results to back it up yet.
Thus why losing half of Elvis would make the CBJ better. Just make sure we lose the BAD half!
Gaudreau - Of course his presence makes CBJ better. That's easier for me to write today, as he shows recent signs of coming out of whatever funk he's been in - perhaps just getting the right linemates.
Columbus just doesn't retain on non-UFA's. That's not happening, and especially not with Jarmo's job in jeopardy.
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I think it depends on how much Jarmo hates Elvis.
I think Jarmo and his ego as he falls to the dark side is going to be detrimental to his decision making.
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the bulk of my comment probably belongs in the jarmo thread, but i'm gonna post it here since it most directly applies to elvis.
since ownership publicly said jarmo was on thin ice after the babcock fiasco:
- the team blew leads at a historic clip
- they were basically out of the playoffs by november
- hired a new assistant coach to fix the power play, only to have an even worse power play than before
- new head coach had questionable usage of the young guys
- healthy scratching + demoting a recent top-five pick (KJ)
- healthy scratching + demoting a recent #6 overall pick (jiricek) after telling him to get a place
- high-profile benching of this year's big signing (severson)
- higher-profile benching of last year's big signing (gaudreau)
- benching + scratching + big public spat with a star (laine)
- either refusing or being unable to move dead weight (peeke) off of the roster
- carrying three mid-to-bad goalies on the roster for a prolonged period
- trying to force a #1 goalie role onto an unproven, inexperienced, shaky goaltender (tarasov)
- going off-message to portzline re: the goalies (vincent said one thing, jarmo said another, off-record sources said a third thing)
- alienating and causing the biggest, most public spat yet with another player as a result (elvis)
now they're relying on a GM who they have (figuratively) publicly flogged, who supposedly has very little job security, in the midst of a disaster season, to move a major contract after publicly alienating a player yet again without leverage.
had ownership pulled the trigger after the babcock thing (which they should have!) this all would have stayed in-house and they could have quietly shopped him while maintaining leverage and avoiding a need to retain for multiple years.
and the sad part is that all of that is actually a way bigger indictment on ownership than it even is on jarmo!
I've been on the fire Jarmo train for a long time but I disagree with many of the latest strikes on your manifesto, particularly the ones related to Pascal's decisions.
- Immature recent picks like KJ and Jiricek shouldn't be playing 82 NHL games in the first place, we should be having them on the Leo Carlsson plan. So I think you have it exactly backwards.
- Benching Severson, Gaudreau, and Laine was very necessary and I hope he does it again if called for.
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All of the shit Columbus has found themselves in, in the past year, is a culmination of mismanagement and aimless direction from Jarmo.
Elvis has plenty of blame but only one person gave him that contract.
More than that, we are still stuck on a directionless ship because ownership still hasn't seen enough to clean house.
Ownership is beyond tolerating mediocrity at this point, they're full blown accepting it for who knows what reason.
