Maybe even you? Just make sure you get some big pads, dont move, and look like the "Michelin Man". It really is that easy.
Its amazing we don't have 55 or 60 goalies excelling right now, considering how easy it is.
The Demise of the Canadian Goaltender Has Been Greatly Exaggerated
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Maybe even you? Just make sure you get some big pads, dont move, and look like the "Michelin Man". It really is that easy.
Its amazing we don't have 55 or 60 goalies excelling right now, considering how easy it is.
MasterDecoy
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I'd never make it, I'm not 6'2+ as is he stndard these days. Size >>> skill when it comes to the position now, it's sad. We'll never see another Hasek emerge unless changes are made.
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If a shorter goalie is good enough, he will make the NHL.... Jonathan Bernier, Dustin Tokarski, Jaro Halak, these guys aren't near as good as Hasek, but are still good enough to make the NHL.
If the next Dominik Hasek emerges, he'll make the NHL too.
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Holtby, Hutchinson, Pickard are who I was referring to as being a flash in the pan. Luongo and Price are certainly elite. Crawford and Elliott have proven capable of playing well behind excellent defenses. I applaud your gall for trying to spin playoffs in Fleury's favour, using wins of all things.
Lunacy. By age 30, (how old Crawford currently is) Ed Belfour had two Vezinas, a Calder, three Jennings trophies, three All-Star teams; two 1st, one second, and was a Hart finalist.
Crawford once received three votes for the Vezina.
I mean, hell, the way he's trending he might even receive a solitary 1st-place Vezina vote one of these years.
Forget greatest of all-time goalies, Canada has one active goalie that likely makes the HOF, Luongo. Price is heading in the right direction, otherwise, nada. Canada has produced one goalie since the '05 lockout who looks like he might become a HOF'er if things go well. Forgive me if that doesn't tent my pants.
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Ok so two, likely in Luongo and trending in Price.
Late 90s/early 2000s, Canada has what 3 HOF goalies from that era.... Joseph, Burke, Theodore those guys aren't getting in the HOF, IMO.
Brodeur was drafted in 90.... so between 91-2004 drafts canada produced 1 goalie who is HOF caliber (Luongo)
Explain to me how 2005-2010 drafts producing 1 potential Canadian HOF goalie is a downswing? I don't go past 2010 cause we need 5 years for a goalie to even develop and know if he's an NHLer never mind a HOFer.
If Canadians seriously think Price is the best goaltender in the world, how can they think they have trouble with goaltending? Also don't tell Canadians they should look at the near future, 'cause they might get worried. Who are the next great canadian goalies? Subban? Yes. After that it gets thin. The fact that right now there are some great goaltenders there for Canada doesn't change that. And actually even among the active NHL goaltenders US, Finland and Russia are better.
Of course there will always be large majority of Canadian soap gloves in the NHL. That is dictated by geography and culture alone to start with. Not every European star keeper either dreams of starting out as back-up goaltender while they could be making much more in the KHL so it ain't exactly perfect comparison to list best goalie factories in the world.
Take goalkeepers earning actual first-choice keeper figures and it ain't Canada's game anymore. No country can rival it's player population but providing better goalie coaching apparently wasn't really a challenge.
Take goalkeepers earning actual first-choice keeper figures and it ain't Canada's game anymore. No country can rival it's player population but providing better goalie coaching apparently wasn't really a challenge.
Goalie prospects are so hard to predict, the next great goalie could be some random 6th rounder that a team took a chance on.
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He was already mentioned in the post I quoted, and he had nothing to do with my argument.
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And outside of this season, Bäckström and Niemi have both been nominated for the Vezina, whereas no active Canadian goalie outside of Luongo and Mason have ever been nominated. In the previous decade, Kiprusoff was one of the league's elite and won the trophy during Brodeur's and Luongo's peaks.
Canada had prime Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, Joseph and Theodore, plus a young Luongo being up and coming at the same time. At the moment, they don't have any talent on the level of Luongo, and have only Carey Price playing on the level comparable to the elite five of 10-15 years ago. Considering the huge number of goalies in Canadian juniors, there should by the rule of many be more top goalies being produced.
Not even close to Vasilevsky and Makarov for example. Maybe close To Shesterkin and Sorokin. In fact I doubt Fucale is any better than Russia's 3rd goalie Kostin at WJC from what I've seen from both. In resent years I've seen a number of very promising goalie prospects already obvious as such at junior level. Only Subban is canadian on that list and he's not the best of the crop.
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Michael Hutchinson is better than Price.
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just wanted to see if I could ruffle any feathers.
But Hutchinson is actually another example that Canadian goaltending will be fine in the future. Also worth nothing is that both he and Pickard are under 24, and Price is the elder statesman at a whopping 27.
Edit: Now adding my
just wanted to see if I could ruffle any feathers.But Hutchinson is actually another example that Canadian goaltending will be fine in the future. Also worth nothing is that both he and Pickard are under 24, and Price is the elder statesman at a whopping 27.
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First off Kiprusoff is retired... you can't count him and say Finnish goaltending is so great on one hand, and then say look how canada's goaltending is declining with Broduer and a bunch of others now being retired. That generation passed. It was the 2010 Olympics as a last great hurrah for them internationally.
Backstrom is another who is washed up and likely retires at the end of this year. Hes no longer at an elite level and has shown steady regression for 4 seasons. He's about to turn 37 (birthday in 2 weeks). His last four years... .919, .909, .899, .887. Thats not even NHL quality netminding anymore and he's not helping your argument.
There are two guys right now from Finland who are proven elite backstops. Thats Rask and Rinne.
Lehtonen and Niemi have been up and down throughout their careers. I don't see anything that puts them above goaltenders like Fleury, Mason, Elliott, Crawford, and Holtby at this point. Heck Lehtonen's season looks an awful lot like Mike Smith right now.
So basically its 2 elite goalies each... and then 2 NHL quality for starters for Finland and a bunch of NHL quality starters for Canada.
Youngsters, Joni Ortio and Calvin Pickard have both been sensational in limited games. Hutchinson has been great too, he's got a few more games but well still call it a limited sample. Bernier and Holtby are establishing themselves as NHL starters.
Prospect wise... Husso and Saros vs Subban, Fucale, Comrie, Jarry, (so hard to judge any of these guys, but Subban looks best of the bunch right now).
So where is the surpassed? I'm not seeing it.
Surpassed? Hardly.
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