a 105pt team doesnt sell at the deadline. end of story
While I get that the point is that such a move could disrupt the room, I'd like to point out that players are not necessarily the best gauge of what the best move is for the franchise.
If we had moved them out, it should have been done in the summer though.
Yup. All this panic and 20-20 hind sight is getting tiresome. I wish people would at least wait until the playoffs are over before beginning all this drama.
In the big picture, there's a certain downside to the rebuild getting off the ground so quickly after the Matthews draft.
The most obvious is the Leafs have taken themselves out the running for drafting a couple more times in the top 1-10 in 2017 and 2018. On paper, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Dermott, Dahlin, Liljegren for example would nice if we had gone the Buffalo/Arizona way of building.
The second is we aren't clearing out JVR, Bozak, Komarov and (maybe Gardiner next year) for extra assets, which probably is depriving the system of at least half a dozen pretty good prospects.
The third is we've been taking out small loans out against the future in really short term deals with Boyle and the horrible Plekanec deal, which robs us of a couple of seconds and some depth guys.
So the fact that the Leafs have gotten good quickly is generally fantastic, the downside is it has cost us a top 10 pick this year, and maybe up to an entire draft class worth of prospects and assets, which could have filled more center depth, an extra goalie and a few defensemen with upside.
a 105pt team doesnt sell at the deadline. end of story
Yes and poor Boston never recovered after trading Lucic in the summer. Imagine how much better they could be with a 6x8 Lucic instead of some of the young guys like McAvoy and Debrusk. Shameful. Poor Philly and their 2 1sts for moving Schenn in the summer. They blew their contender status and the guys quit.Let's tell Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and our young core who are supposed to lead us to the Cup one day that it's okay to have a loser mentality by trading away core pieces in a year we're looking to improve on last season with a deeper playoff run, or even a slim chance of winning it all...for more draft picks. Players get their bodies beat up and pounded in every game for 82 games for a chance to make the playoffs and to win it all. Wake up...it's not Draft Picks Tycoon we're playing here! Where the heck is all your pride?
I bet St. Louis could have used Stastny down the stretch run...and after he was traded, a player like Schenn was shocked and spoke up about his disappointment, and those who kept quiet were probably very disappointed...I wonder how their captain Pietrangelo felt about his GM giving up the season on the entire team over some draft picks...I'm sure they are so proud of their organization.
We gambled and it hasn't worked yet, but that doesn't mean they were ever going to do what you wanted them to do.Yes because St. Louis is a young team two seasons removed from finishing last in the NHL
You can try to spin it how you want so you don't have to admit to being wrong, but at the end of the day. We kept our rentals, and look where it has gotten us 2 games into the series. Pounded.
Someone better tell Matthews, Nylander, and Marner that in their second year in the NHL we mortgaged part of the future so that Superstar and HellasLeaf could get their much-needed playoff crack fix. How is the high so far? Enjoying watching Boston demolish us? I'm sure Boston would have scored 20 goals by now had we traded defensive stud JVR....
Lol give me a break. We gambled and it hasn't paid off yet, not sure why that's so hard for you lot to admit. There's still time for the lost potential assets to be worth it, but that possibility is sitting at a less than 15% probability (percentage of teams to come back after going down 2-0). Even then I still trade JVR for futures that can help us when our real cup window opens.
Can we stop with this and step into the real world. The leafs weren't going to trade away veteran players in the midst of a franchise best season. Pull players out of that locker room and make disruptions.
That's for selling teams. The Leafs were not sellers this year. So we made the playoffs, lost our first two games, and the second guessing here is thick.
We can barely fit our talented youngsters into the starting lineup. Our farm system is one of the top in the NHL. Our core is all under 25. This is nonsense.
Best case would have been... based on market
Jvr for 1 and conditional 4
Bozak for 3
Komorov for 4th.
Not the end of the world. Late firsts aren’t What we should be gunning for
No it doesn't backfire. This team has all of the pieces and depth it needs to be a contender for the future long term regardless. You do not sell with a top 3 record in the conference and a top 6 record overall PERIOD.
It would be awesome to trade at the deadline in years we don't win a Cup and buy in years we do. But I have news for some people. There is no guarantee you win the Cup. There will be other years we keep our pending UFA's and get bounced in the first round (or otherwise have playoff failure). Asset management is trading UFA's. It's getting the most value out of a player. Sometimes it doesn't work out. Sometimes it does.
This year we have a much better chance of beating Boston/going on a run with JVR than with a 27th OA pick.
JvR has been a non-factor so far. But he could also be critical to a turnaround in the series. Bozak has been pretty decent on the other hand. And Komarov look like he shouldn't be in the lineup.
Either way, it won't look good if we get tossed in the first round. But that was always a risk.