The Chara Dilemma
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BigBear83
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does he still have a NTC or even a limited NTC? the return for chara would be very interesting.. i feel like its only going to diminish as the season chugs along, especially with all the minutes hes logging .. id like to think that between chara and loui we could get a real good group of players/prospects
Stone Clode
Kicks him, stunner!!
This was intended as a philosophical discussion more than anything else, especially as I don't think the Bruins WILL trade Chara. That doesn't mean the discussion itself lacks merit, or entertainment value.
While I think the B's probably could find a trade partner at the deadline and get a good return, I will leave the wild Chara trade suggestions to AOF and others.
It may well be that this is the case, and Chara is one of those players that, even declining, means more to the Bruins than to any other team. This is absolutely a valid point and part of the discussion (or should be).
BigBear83
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so hes our best defender on a borderline playoff team ? whats the point of having an aging "best defender" when in the short term it doesnt really matter?. im all for trading him. what better way of seeing what we have then having nobody for claude to trot out there for death by exhaustion .. it really boils down to whether they attempt to go for it (playoffs) which they will be , because of playoff ticket revenue and trying to stay somewhat relevant in the ever so succesfull new england area
I don't disagree with this, but as I said previously, I am more concerned with the B's two years from now then I am now.
This point right here is not only spot on, but it also fits the narrative that they should move him, IMO.
If your BEST AND OLDEST defenseman is best suited for 2nd pairing duty, then you are a team that isn't going to compete for a Cup for a few years. If that player can help you acquire assets that might turn into top-pairing defensemen, you move that player. To me, the argument comes down to whether you are giving up a real chance at contending, and I think this discussion answers that for you. You aren't.
Jean_Jacket41
Neely = HOF
Anyone can be traded if it helps the team. Even Bergeron. 
That being said, if the right deal is offered to Sweeney and it helps the team, then do it.
In the meantime, Chara is making the Bruins a better team being still one of the toughest defensive D in the game, even with the slowed down play.
That being said, if the right deal is offered to Sweeney and it helps the team, then do it.
In the meantime, Chara is making the Bruins a better team being still one of the toughest defensive D in the game, even with the slowed down play.
Danton Heineken
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I don't think Chara would ever waive his NMC. He's been the captain of an Original Six team for 7 years now and won a Cup. He's going to retire here.
I must have missed the part where it says that the Bruins are not allowed to trade Chara for picks and prospects, then use those assets (along with others they already have) to improve the team in the shorter term?
I think this is the question, because clearly, the greatest need is on defense. Not just this season, but well into the future. They don't have anyone on the farm even close to becoming an elite number one D.
Call me crazy (and I know you will, GD), but I rather doubt you can trade one very good but older D for another, very good but younger D.
Again, a defensive upgrade now & going forward, across the D corps, is the club's single greatest need.
I'm also not crazy about trading Chara for prospects or picks. I would prefer they address the defensive question with ready to play NHL talent.
I realize that's very difficult to do, especially when everyone values strong defense and are well aware of Boston's predicament.
I will say the same thing to you I just said to another poster...what prohibits the Bruins from using assets gained by trading Chara (and adding to it if necessary) to get some "ready to play NHL talent" on the blueline?
I lifted this passage from Kirk's Blog because it contains some thoughts relevant to the Chara discussion:
https://scoutingpost.wordpress.com/category/2015-16-nhl-season/
I’ll do more via Final Buzzer tomorrow, but the Boston Bruins overcame 2-0 and 3-2 deficits to take a 4-3 lead into the final seconds before coughing it up on a Jiri Hudler strike with 1.2 ticks left to send the game at the Scotia Bank Saddledome to overtime. Johnny Gaudreau completed his hat trick in memorable fashion after Zdeno Chara inexplicably tried a fancy, behind-the-back pass that was picked off and sent the Flames off on a jailbreak rush.
Game, set, match.
It was a rough night for Chara all around despite scoring his fifth goal of the season in a multi-point effort- his giveaway resulted in Gaudreau’s first goal of the night, just 33 seconds in. The captain was also on the ice and unable to get to a weak David Krejci clearing attempt that was slowed down by the end-of-game ice surface and held in, resulting in the tying goal. To top it off, he took a delay of game with 2:17 left in regulation for putting the puck out of play.
So, yes- you hate to pile on Chara because he’s been such a top performer over the years, but the team rightfully expects and should get better play from its most senior veteran and top d-man (though Chara’s place among the NHL’s other No. 1s is rapidly diminishing). Mistakes are understandable, but a giveaway like the one he made in OT is not.
He simply has to be better in that situation and others from here on out. This defense is simply not talented or balanced enough to survive nights when Chara’s head is writing checks his aging body can’t cash.
Yes, the Bruins got a point in the standings, but they’ve surrendered two points to teams below them in the standings now in the last two games. We saw this movie last year and it didn’t end well. You simply cannot give away opportunities.
The dedicated Chara fans out there will point to the offense or point out mistakes made by others in predictable fashion to justify his mediocrity in Calgary, and they aren’t completely incorrect. Sure- he had a couple of points tonight, but this is an important example of a player getting on the scoresheet but not having a strong performance in the final review. When the question is asked of whether Chara was there when the team needed him most tonight, the execution was lacking.
Claude Julien has no problem hammering and benching the Zach Trotmans and Joe Morrows of the world when they screw up on ice. Let’s see if he has the moral courage and intestinal fortitude to jerk a knot in the captain’s ass over this one.
Probably not, but the team can’t afford too many more of these nights, even as entertaining as the game certainly was.
trenton1
Bergeron for Hart
It all depends on the return. But I wouldn't look to move Chara. I do think they need an understudy though. They tried Hamilton and it didn't work out. I think they need to try Morrow with the 25 minute nights and if that doesn't work, maybe make another deal.
It's obvious, but the veteran contract to move is Seidenberg's. They need to figure out a way to sell him off at the deadline. He could possibly still make a decent #4-5 with the right team and right matchups. I hope he regroups and plays well so that someone takes a chance on him. He will be tough to deal with 2 years from now.
It's obvious, but the veteran contract to move is Seidenberg's. They need to figure out a way to sell him off at the deadline. He could possibly still make a decent #4-5 with the right team and right matchups. I hope he regroups and plays well so that someone takes a chance on him. He will be tough to deal with 2 years from now.
I must have missed the part in the forum where it is stated that I can't express a different opinion?
If I am trading Chara, I am looking to try and find a youngish defensive guy that you can pair with Krug and create a solid pairing. Think along the lines of Wheeler for Peverley trade. There are enough kids on the farm, at some point you need to start turning picks and prospects into useful players.
But I think he retires here personally
I'm reading through the thread after responding to the initial post, so forgive if this has been mentioned (probably multiple times): Every year the Bruins say they are going to limit Chara's minutes, and every year it doesn't happen. At this point in his career, it makes even greater sense to limit his minutes. Not sure where they are currently (anyone know?), but hope they'll be trimmed this season, if only a little.
BB88
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Just wrote my worst nightmare for the team and something I see happening with what we got.
We shouldn't think about too much how this team does this year but how we can build a team that has a chance to be contender for 10 years.
Expecting Chara to be #1D is too much and expect Boston to be contenders with this is too much to ask.
I'm not saying trade Chara because I don't believe that will happen but one way or another this team needs elite young talent.
I'm willing to take the hits for few years if that means cup runs/Cups in the future thanks to that.
trenton1
Bergeron for Hart
Chara should never be asked to play 3 on 3. That part is on Julien. Julien didn't dress enough mobile defenders in Calgary and felt compelled to use Chara and he was in over his head and looked tired as well.
Morrow should be in every night or he should be traded.
Morrow should be in every night or he should be traded.
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As someone already mentioned, this is where keeping him for the remainder of this year may make sense. See what they do with Chara as far as the playoffs are concerned and think about trading him next year.
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