Fantilli has the stamina to go full speed all night, unfortunately he doesn't yet have the judgment to know when to pull up and set up teammates on the second wave. The recent Gauthier OT goal is the sort of goal that wouldn't happen if Fantilli was the one who burned Coronato, because he would 100% take that puck in himself. Though he might score himself, his release is so good even when he's crowded. Still there is a big gap between the two in terms of how well they use their linemates. I preferred Leo in their draft year and greatly prefer him now.
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Fantilli has the stamina to go full speed all night, unfortunately he doesn't yet have the judgment to know when to pull up and set up teammates on the second wave. The recent Gauthier OT goal is the sort of goal that wouldn't happen if Fantilli was the one who burned Coronato, because he would 100% take that puck in himself. Though he might score himself, his release is so good even when he's crowded. Still there is a big gap between the two in terms of how well they use their linemates. I preferred Leo in their draft year and greatly prefer him now.
Sure, don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade Leo for Fantilli without an add that would make Columbus fans lynch Waddell. Which isn't to say Leo is a bunch of tiers ahead of Fanta. He'll be a great player in his own right, but I think they're close enough in speed and production to where I'll take the guy who plays the two way game at a much higher level every time and I wouldn't give that guy up easily.
I'm obviously biased as a Ducks fan but this is the most excited I've been for a prospect/emerging young player I think ever.
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Id def suggest watching him a bit... hes a very interesting young player with a sky high ceiling. Very mature for a player under 20... recently has been getting PK time... lot of questions about the ducks coaching staff.... leo went to 4nations with sweeden... idk what those coaches said to him, but hes come back and been an absolute menace.
Since then he has 25 points in 25 games and a +11... while getting PK time.
Id say hes still relatively raw in terms of his body and how hell use it when hes fully develped... but he should be a 2 way juggernaut.
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He'll be a legit one I believe but whether he's a first line center or an elite level center i don't know yet.
CBJ wouldn't trade Fantilli for Leo without an add either.
As a neutral fan I'll take Fantilli for his much higher offensive ceiling
And this is based on what exactly? I'm already skeptical of your answer given your implication that McTavish and Gauthier have higher offensive upside than Leo.
That I can buy. But Leo is starting to show more of a tendency to shoot lately. Before the Four Nations he was in a slump in all aspects aside from individual defensive play. He's shown he can snipe it at times. I doubt he's going to be a 40 goal scorer like Fantilli can be but as far as pure offensive upside I don't see a good argument for saying his ceiling isn't at least equivalent.
Like I think people are confusing ceiling with likely upside. Ceiling means the absolute best level a player can get to if all circumstances are perfect. That's different than expected upside. That accounts for how a player is tracking and where they'll probably end up given the circumstances.
Don't get me wrong, I have concerns about Leo's development years being wasted under the tutelage of an idiot like Greg Cronin and I acknowledge that if things don't go really well with his development from here on out, he can end up "just" a 75-85 two way 1C. But he's also expected to have Gauthier and Sennecke on his wings who are tracking well. So I really see no reason why, after he builds muscle and strength, why he can't have 90-100+ seasons if things go well with his development.
He has the foundations for becoming Anaheim's next franchise star. He still has some growing to do and things to learn but he's only 20. Getzlaf didn't really take off as a superstar quality 1C until the 07-08 season and that was when he was 22 years old and four years out from his draft selection. Judging his production right now, especially with Anaheim in the shitter under Greg Cronin, to draw sweeping limitation based conclusions about his absolute potential seems silly.
I wouldnt be shocked if they reached similar offensive heights, they'll just get there in very different ways
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First, haven't watched Leo 1 time this year, but I watched a lot of Fantilli. And wouldn't trade him for anything. He's (IMO) likely to be the best player CBJ has ever drafted because beyond his skill and speed, his awareness is all about scoring. Definitely going to be the play driver on any line he's on and with his skill and aggressiveness; who knows his limits.
That's a Hell Naw! SMH *walks away* .... still smh.
That's a Hell Naw! SMH *walks away* .... still smh.
When did I ever said they had higher offensive upside? Please point that part out.
Fantilli is just the more offensively gifted player, to deny this is to deny you watch both equally.
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He’s already the clear cut best player over those two and IMO has surpassed Terry as the best forward on the Ducks. I voted All Star as well.
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let's just say biggest break the Ducks ever got was not winning the 23 lottery
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A light bulb seemed to go on for Leo since the 4 nations tournament, it seems like he has more belief he can compete against the very best and is just trusting his talent, not overthinking and not playing too safe. I don't know where he ultimately ends up but it would be quite surprising if he isn't seen as a franchise center atleast
I think Leo is looking like the next Barkov, with higher offensive potential..
Cowabunga! That's impressive dafa for a 19/20 year old center.
This under Greg Cronin. I hope he goes to the WC. Been a PPG player since the 4 nations. Earned a spot there….. edit, earned a bigger role there.
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