The Carrier trade to the Habs is one of the most lopsided trade this season.

[Frank Drebin]

This same poster, in a different thread, said that Nick Suzuki was a 2nd line centre.

Let's just say he's not a very astute observer of our game.

Maybe nick wasn’t on the ice for the opening faceoff one period. Could be confusing

 

[Theodore450]

Its a win for habs fans that never have to watch Barron play for their team again. A constant reminder of the terrible trade where we gave away lehky

 

[JianYang]

It's not and a present versus future trade isn't decided on in the same year that the transaction was made.

 

[Ezpz]

Over the years, Carrier has proven to us that he can be a valid #5/6 D, capable of temporarily filling in on a higher pairing if required, although it never really looks encouraging for long when he does. Speaking for at least some portion of Preds fans, I think we would nominally have a positive impression of Carrier if it wasn't for:
a) He got played MORE than as a #5/6 by our recent string of awful coaches, and
b) He got played ahead of (and eventually paid more than) Dante Fabbro who was a very clearly superior player.

Carrier is an NHL defenseman, and I think we were all generally inclined to be happy for him, given his years of service in Milwaukee and the very low salaries he earned for many years as an organizational depth guy.

So far, I'm pretty optimistic that Barron can also be a decent #5/6 guy as well, and he's younger and cheaper. So... From a Preds perspective, it's at worst a wash on the ice, but with some very minor fringe benefit to us. (Given we suck, the Cap savings don't matter much, and I'm not really very optimistic that Barron will take any significant developmental steps, but at least there is a slim window of hope available for future improvement which wasn't the case with Carrier).

It's really nice if Habs fans like Carrier, however. We definitely wish him all the best. I would just recommend that Habs fans don't get "carriered away" maybe with expectations? It might be a false causation if you want to attribute the Habs' ascension to a playoff spot to that trade? It might be coincidental, since he's actually a pretty mundane player?

The question is could you one for one trade Barron for another D who is performing as well as Carrier? The answer is no; he simply doesn't have that value around the league.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Maybe nick wasn’t on the ice for the opening faceoff one period. Could be confusing

As a long time Avs fan, I remember having to pretend Matt Duchene was a 1C, despite really being a 2C playing up the depth chart because we didn't have a legit 1C at the time. Then Mack started scoring at a 107+ point pace every year and we stopped having to pretend, and started making playoff runs.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

The question is could you one for one trade Barron for another D who is performing as well as Carrier? The answer is no; he simply doesn't have that value around the league.

Not sure why that is the question? We wouldn't want to trade Barron for Carrier today. Whatever value Barron has around the league today, he has greater value to Nashville than Carrier did, so we're fine with the trade. Could we have gotten an "even better" return than Barron when we traded Carrier? Maybe? If we had waited until closer to the TDL, I suspect we could have. But anyway, a win's a win. And we have precious few of those under Trotz!

 

[Frank Drebin]

As a long time Avs fan, I remember having to pretend Matt Duchene was a 1C, despite really being a 2C playing up the depth chart because we didn't have a legit 1C at the time. Then Mack started scoring at a 107+ point pace every year and we stopped having to pretend, and started making playoff runs.

Thanks for sharing that. Kinda like pretending you have a real starting goalie.

 

[The Great Weal]

As a long time Avs fan, I remember having to pretend Matt Duchene was a 1C, despite really being a 2C playing up the depth chart because we didn't have a legit 1C at the time. Then Mack started scoring at a 107+ point pace every year and we stopped having to pretend, and started making playoff runs.

So were Makar and Rantanen absolute nobodies and the entire team's success is solely based on upgrading from Duchene to Mack? Feel free to send Makar to the Habs if that's the case.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Thanks for sharing that. Kinda like pretending you have a real starting goalie.

It worked decently well when we pretended with Kuemper.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

So were Makar and Rantanen absolute nobodies and the entire team's success is solely based on upgrading from Duchene to Mack? Feel free to send Makar to the Habs if that's the case.

No, they allowed us to stop pretending we had a legit 1D (EJ) and a good top line RW (the corpse of Jarome Iginla). We did a lot of pretending back when we were frequently a lottery team.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It worked decently well when we pretended with Kuemper.

Back when you had mackinnon, kadri and lehkonen at a combined 11.95 cap hit. Other than that outlier year your “runs” have been first and second round exits have they not?

Or are we pretending that second round losses are playoff runs?

 

[The Great Weal]

No, they allowed us to stop pretending we had a legit 1D (EJ) and a good top line RW (the corpse of Jarome Iginla). We did a lot of pretending back when we were frequently a lottery team.

I see, so the difference between Duchene/Mack is what propelled you guys to contenders and the difference between EJ/Makar and corpse of Iginla/Rantanen were far less significant factors.

Clearly Mack's linemate quality difference had nothing to do with him breaking out. Good talk.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Back when you had mackinnon, kadri and lehkonen at a combined 11.95 cap hit. Other than that outlier year your “runs” have been first and second round exits have they not?

Or are we pretending that second round losses are playoff runs?

We also had Nuke for the entire playoffs that year. He's the real secret to our success.

A second round loss might not be a long run, but it's still much better than watching the race from the couch.

And making the playoffs every year since 2017-18 is a pretty decent run too.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I see, so the difference between Duchene/Mack is what propelled you guys to contenders and the difference between EJ/Makar and corpse of Iginla/Rantanen were far less significant factors.

Clearly Mack's linemate quality difference had nothing to do with him breaking out. Good talk.

No, the difference between Duchene and Mack is that despite both occupying our 1C role, only one of them was ever truly a 1C.

Likewise, the difference between Makar and EJ is that only one of them is actually a legit 1D. Just because they filled the same role doesn't mean they're the same level of player.

 

[Frank Drebin]

We also had Nuke for the entire playoffs that year. He's the real secret to our success.

A second round loss might not be a long run, but it's still much better than watching the race from the couch.

And making the playoffs every year since 2017-18 is a pretty decent run too.

Avs are a great team, Mack and Makar are borderline generational. Wish the Habs had players at that level but I'm happy with the direction the team is taking.

 

[Frank Drebin]

No, the difference between Duchene and Mack is that despite both occupying our 1C role, only one of them was ever truly a 1C.

Likewise, the difference between Makar and EJ is that only one of them is actually a legit 1D. Just because they filled the same role doesn't mean they're the same level of player.

This whole conversation started with you alluding that Suzuki isn't a "true" 1C. Just curious if you actually believe that, or if you just took advantage of the timing.

 

[Rebels57]

Gotta feel for Preds fans. 15 years with Trotz as coach and only advanced past the 1st round 2 times, and never past the 2nd round.

Then they now have him f***ing their team up as GM.

Yikes.

 

[triggrman]

Gotta feel for Preds fans. 15 years with Trotz as coach and only advanced past the 1st round 2 times, and never past the 2nd round.

Then they now have him f***ing their team up as GM.

Yikes.

Agreed and worse he's got a flunky as the coach.

Carrier carries a bigger contract than he should for his skill level. He's not very durable and skill level he's average.

Also, Barron isn't as good but is cheaper, and easier to move on from.

Carrier wasn't the mistake that Fabbro was, Tomasino was, Tolvanen was, Novak was.....

 

[ManofSteel55]

WTF was Trotz thinking. Absolute highway robbery by Luke Hughes.

If this trade was made by Luke Hughes, its even more impressive. His first trade being this one? And for an opposing team? WOW!

 

[ManofSteel55]

Agreed and worse he's got a flunky as the coach.

Carrier carries a bigger contract than he should for his skill level. He's not very durable and skill level he's average.

Also, Barron isn't as good but is cheaper, and easier to move on from.

Carrier wasn't the mistake that Fabbro was, Tomasino was, Tolvanen was, Novak was.....

I still can't believe they just waived Fabbro. I mean, they had to know somebody was going to put in a claim on him.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

This whole conversation started with you alluding that Suzuki isn't a "true" 1C. Just curious if you actually believe that, or if you just took advantage of the timing.

Mostly it was just the timing.

Of course, with the state of the Habs, it's hard to really know what he is. Right now, Suzuki is a mid-range 1C on a bad team, who could possibly become more if they can add more talent around him (or have guys develop). Or maybe he's just a mid-range 1C. Either way, I'd take him at 2C on the Avs in a heartbeat.

 

[Scotianhab]

Mostly it was just the timing.

Of course, with the state of the Habs, it's hard to really know what he is. Right now, Suzuki is a mid-range 1C on a bad team, who could possibly become more if they can add more talent around him (or have guys develop). Or maybe he's just a mid-range 1C. Either way, I'd take him at 2C on the Avs in a heartbeat.

Jesus why do people say the Habs are a bad team. Are we a great team? Of course not but to say we are bad while currently sitting in a WC spot is ignorant.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Jesus why do people say the Habs are a bad team. Are we a great team? Of course not but to say we are bad while currently sitting in a WC spot is ignorant.

I think he just can't help himself. Let him be. 102 point pace since Dec 2 if anyone is wondering.

 

[triggrman]

I still can't believe they just waived Fabbro. I mean, they had to know somebody was going to put in a claim on him.

They keep repeating this type behavior though so I think they're too arrogant to think they've done something wrong. We bought out Duchene too, let's not let that one slide.