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The Carrier trade to the Habs is one of the most lopsided trade this season.

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Miller Time said:
When you don't notice a dman who played 21min in a game vs one of the top scoring teams in the league, and he conesvoit of the game +1 despite the other team scoring 5, that's a very positive sign.
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Other team scored 4 goals, 5th goal was a shootout winner which nobody gets a minus from.
 
The Expert said:
Other team scored 4 goals, 5th goal was a shootout winner which nobody gets a minus from.
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When you don't notice a dman who played 21min in a game vs one of the top scoring teams in the league, and he comes out of the game +1 despite the other team scoring 4, that's a very positive sign.
 
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Ezpz said:
I don't think there was another trade this season that had as big an impact on the trajectories of the teams involved. Habs were second last in the East when the trade went down, only a point ahead of Buffalo. Nashville were tied for last. Habs are in the playoffs as of now and Nashville, well.. not much changed except the intentional tankers falling below them.

Nashville had Carrier too high on their depth chart, while Barron now plays more than he did for the Habs but less than Carrier did in Nashville. Carrier is the #4, sometimes #5 in Montreal. He was clearly the #3 in Nashville which means playing with a weaker partner or playing with Josi against top competition.

And just for the record, Nashville's early season schedule was the toughest QoC of their entire season. They barely played any non-playoff teams in October-December. They had a very light January all the way up to the four nations break and a fairly easy March. It's very likely Carrier would have simply recovered and been better against all the easy teams.

Barron could pan out but generally speaking a guy who's in his D+5 and can't crack the NHL roster full time doesn't typically fetch a bonafide top 4 D one for one. Too bad the Habs didn't claim Fabbro too.
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Over the years, Carrier has proven to us that he can be a valid #5/6 D, capable of temporarily filling in on a higher pairing if required, although it never really looks encouraging for long when he does. Speaking for at least some portion of Preds fans, I think we would nominally have a positive impression of Carrier if it wasn't for:
a) He got played MORE than as a #5/6 by our recent string of awful coaches, and
b) He got played ahead of (and eventually paid more than) Dante Fabbro who was a very clearly superior player.

Carrier is an NHL defenseman, and I think we were all generally inclined to be happy for him, given his years of service in Milwaukee and the very low salaries he earned for many years as an organizational depth guy.

So far, I'm pretty optimistic that Barron can also be a decent #5/6 guy as well, and he's younger and cheaper. So... :dunno: From a Preds perspective, it's at worst a wash on the ice, but with some very minor fringe benefit to us. (Given we suck, the Cap savings don't matter much, and I'm not really very optimistic that Barron will take any significant developmental steps, but at least there is a slim window of hope available for future improvement which wasn't the case with Carrier).

It's really nice if Habs fans like Carrier, however. We definitely wish him all the best. I would just recommend that Habs fans don't get "carriered away" maybe with expectations? It might be a false causation if you want to attribute the Habs' ascension to a playoff spot to that trade? It might be coincidental, since he's actually a pretty mundane player? :dunno:
 
landstuhltaylor said:
Colorado only scored 4, and Montreal outscored them at even strength. I have no opinion in this thread overall but that's a very misleading attempt at an argument.

Edit to add the Montreal goals I remember were a result of hard work by the forwards. And the entire team was getting caved in before Colorado let off the gas. Maybe he's been better in other games but he wasn't noticeable in that one.
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You don't seem to understand the sport called hockey. Should restrain from posting on the forums and just read them.
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
Over the years, Carrier has proven to us that he can be a valid #5/6 D, capable of temporarily filling in on a higher pairing if required, although it never really looks encouraging for long when he does. Speaking for at least some portion of Preds fans, I think we would nominally have a positive impression of Carrier if it wasn't for:
a) He got played MORE than as a #5/6 by our recent string of awful coaches, and
b) He got played ahead of (and eventually paid more than) Dante Fabbro who was a very clearly superior player.

Carrier is an NHL defenseman, and I think we were all generally inclined to be happy for him, given his years of service in Milwaukee and the very low salaries he earned for many years as an organizational depth guy.

So far, I'm pretty optimistic that Barron can also be a decent #5/6 guy as well, and he's younger and cheaper. So... :dunno: From a Preds perspective, it's at worst a wash on the ice, but with some very minor fringe benefit to us. (Given we suck, the Cap savings don't matter much, and I'm not really very optimistic that Barron will take any significant developmental steps, but at least there is a slim window of hope available for future improvement which wasn't the case with Carrier).

It's really nice if Habs fans like Carrier, however. We definitely wish him all the best. I would just recommend that Habs fans don't get "carriered away" maybe with expectations? It might be a false causation if you want to attribute the Habs' ascension to a playoff spot to that trade? It might be coincidental, since he's actually a pretty mundane player? :dunno:
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No it isn't. He is good defensively. Needed a RD that could handle the system and play well defensively.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Carrier is solid but it's not like Barron has been horrible in Nashville...


Seems like a pretty significant overreaction by OP.
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Barron has probably been better than we expected, which was basically nothing. Carrier was over-slotted and overplayed with the Preds, prone to being physically overmatched by much of the divisional and Western Conference competition, and offered nothing on the offensive end and in transition. Really glad he's doing well and hope that continues for him, but he wasn't a fit for us any longer and don't think any Preds fan is fussed in the least at what either him or Barron do going forward.
 
Frank Drebin said:
are you an expert?
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Hardly, but to make a thread about the most lopsided trade for two players who have both been ok for their respective teams is a weird one. You can argue MTL won the trade, but hardly a slam dunk and way too early to give a verdict on anything with their careers.
 
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And I thought who did trade this thing to Montreal, could it even get to the city.

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Barron has been pretty decent for Nashville and is a good bit younger than Carrier. We weren't going anywhere with Carrier. Maybe 3 years down the road Barron will be playing a more significant role in Nashville as we turn things around. If not, I don't really see a big loss here for Nashville either way
 
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