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Don't you know? it's the defence's fault.
Correct. Price was taking a shift off from playing a full 2 mins on the point of the PP. He got an assist too.
Don't you know? it's the defence's fault.
Also should be mentioned that he did that with one team that he dragged into the playoffs and another that was a last place team.But your entire post is misleading. Since 2010-2011 season, which was about 167 regular season games, Price stats were not less than stellar, in fact over 167 games in two and 2/3rd of season Price's SV% was .920%.
920% is not less than stellar. It's a number one goaltenders numbers. In fact, your whole less than stellar argument comes down to 8 ****ing games, from the day Emelin got hurt.
8 games represent 5 % of the 167 games he's played since 2010. Essentially you are using the performance over 5% of those games to trash on Price. Not only that, but there is strong date to suggest that the poor performance over those 8 games isn't the result of an individual meltdown.
But your entire post is misleading. Since 2010-2011 season, which was about 167 regular season games, Price stats were not less than stellar, in fact over 167 games in two and 2/3rd of season Price's SV% was .920%.
920% is not less than stellar. It's a number one goaltenders numbers. In fact, your whole less than stellar argument comes down to 8 ****ing games, from the day Emelin got hurt.
8 games represent 5 % of the 167 games he's played since 2010. Essentially you are using the performance over 5% of those games to trash on Price. Not only that, but there is strong date to suggest that the poor performance over those 8 games isn't the result of an individual meltdown.
Only 9 goalkeepers in 2011-2012 who played more than 30 games posted higher than a .920SV%.
Only 10 goalkeepers in 2010-2011 who played more than 30 games posted higher than a .920SV% (Price was one of those goalies).
Only 11 keeprs in 2012-2013 who played more than 20 games posted a higher than a 920SV%
I guess you failed logic in university.
First you state that labeling a goalie top 10 is subjective and can't be proven with stats and then you ask me to name 10-15 goalies that are better than Price.
If you don't want me to use stats what should I use?
His choice of haberdashery? His choice in underwear? Or maybe his choice in women?
Last year behind a solid defence Price came up with less than stellar results. He was near the bottom of the league for goaltending results. I've been generous. I don't claim he is at the bottom of the pack. I'm saying he's in the middle of the pack. His stats are very very similar to our average backup goalie who plays behind the same defence that allows the same amount of outrageous breakaways, one timers and other impossible shots.
But his regular season stats can be forgiven if his playoff record was slightly better. Nota lot just a little better.
I don't think he was any worse in 2011-12 than he was the previous year... just had a horrible team in front of him. Last season he played the same -very well until the last 8 games of the season.It's no accident that you've decided to present numbers starting in 2010. IMO that's part of what's worrisome: that Price was so good in 2010-11, that his results have dropped off so much since. I want to believe that, yeah, 26 is not all that old for a goalie, that there's plenty of potential for improvement. The fact that he hit a peak 3 seasons ago and hasn't been as good since doesn't seem to support that optimism.
I guess you failed logic in university.
First you state that labeling a goalie top 10 is subjective and can't be proven with stats and then you ask me to name 10-15 goalies that are better than Price.
If you don't want me to use stats what should I use?
His choice of haberdashery? His choice in underwear? Or maybe his choice in women?
Last year behind a solid defence Price came up with less than stellar results. He was near the bottom of the league for goaltending results. I've been generous. I don't claim he is at the bottom of the pack. I'm saying he's in the middle of the pack. His stats are very very similar to our average backup goalie who plays behind the same defence that allows the same amount of outrageous breakaways, one timers and other impossible shots.
But his regular season stats can be forgiven if his playoff record was slightly better. Nota lot just a little better.
It's no accident that you've decided to present numbers starting in 2010. IMO that's part of what's worrisome: that Price was so good in 2010-11, that his results have dropped off so much since. I want to believe that, yeah, 26 is not all that old for a goalie, that there's plenty of potential for improvement. The fact that he hit a peak 3 seasons go and hasn't been as good since doesn't seem to support that optimism.
Please, I know Price sucked in the 2nd half of last year but don't even dare to pretend that our defense was SOLID, especially in that same second half.
I'm saying he's in the middle of the pack. His stats are very very similar to our average backup goalie who plays behind the same defence that allows the same amount of outrageous breakaways, one timers and other impossible shots.
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It wasn't even a half-season, it was 8 games.
8/38 starts = 21%
half a season = 50%
21%=/= 50%
I would suggest you do what most people do and watch the game instead of looking up the boxscore.
The fact that you're essentially refusing to name who you think is better than Price shows that you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
Well, yeah, I didn't mean he sucked the 19 last games.. just saying that he did well in the first half as in more consistent and the 2nd half, he was less consistent. I didn't check from which games exactly things got worst but it was closer to the end of the reg. calendar.
Again misleading...
-Yes Price posted a .923SV% on a 6th place team in 2010.
-He then posted a 916SV% on a last place team in 2011...are you really ready to blame his SV% only his individual performance alone? 916SV% is pretty impressive for a goaltender who played behind a defense consisting of Subban, Gill (who was later traded), Gorges, Kaberle, Weber, a young Emelin and a young Diaz, two d-men who hadn't played a single game on NA ice until that year
-Then he posted a 916SV% in 30 games until Emelin got hurt last season. Now you'll say that this is proof that he has been average. However, like you said about 2010 being the outlier bringing all his stats up, two back-to-back games in March last season where the Habs let in 13 goals brought his SV% down by .008, which is significant. Without those 2 games, Price had posted a .924SV% in 28 of the 30 games that Emelin got injured.
Now if you maintain your argument about 2010 being the outlier and skewing the stats, then you have you admit that those 2 games skew the stats until Price's 8 bad game stretch. If you do, then you see that .924 is not less than stellar, it's actually very good and just a little higher than the average SV% he put over 167 games until Emelin got hurt.
Now if you're not willing to allow the removal of 2 games, then I don't see why we shouldn't take into account the 2010 season. When you do, you realize that a .920Sv% over the last 167 games until Emelin got hurt, which is when Price's "meltdown" began, is not less than stellar.
The fact is people are using 8 games to crap on Price, which says more of his detractors than it does of Price.
I guess you failed logic in university.
First you state that labeling a goalie top 10 is subjective and can't be proven with stats and then you ask me to name 10-15 goalies that are better than Price.
If you don't want me to use stats what should I use?
His choice of haberdashery? His choice in underwear? Or maybe his choice in women?
Last year behind a solid defence Price came up with less than stellar results. He was near the bottom of the league for goaltending results. I've been generous. I don't claim he is at the bottom of the pack. I'm saying he's in the middle of the pack. His stats are very very similar to our average backup goalie who plays behind the same defence that allows the same amount of outrageous breakaways, one timers and other impossible shots.
But his regular season stats can be forgiven if his playoff record was slightly better. Nota lot just a little better.
In no particular order.....
Rinne
Backstrom
Quick
Lunqvist
Crawford
Brodeur
Niemi
Rask
Howard
Anderson
I'm not calling 2010-11 an outlier that distorts numbers. I really do think Price was that good. By eye, my memory of watching his games that season would fit with those numbers. He hasn't been as good and as consistent since.
I'm sure you can see the difference between looking for trends and handpicking the games you don't like.
I disagree with Niemi and Crawford. The only season Niemi and Crawford had superior stats than Price was last season despite playing for superior teams. Crawford is still relatively unproven.
Also, not sure I would put Backstrom above Price either. I'd take Price over him for sure. Same with Brodeur, he's almost finished. Rinne, Quick, Lundqvist, Rask, Howard, Anderson, yeah, I would put them ahead, but outside Lundqvist and post-season quick, none are in another league that Price isn't in.
.920 over 167 is .920 over 167 games. How is that not consistent? Actually, it's even more impressive considering there is a last place finish in that time span.
I don't care about the two games where 13 goals were allowed because in the larger 167 it doesn't play any significant role in shifting the numbers. In fact, the outlier season is that last place season. You are actually helping my argument. When you actually think about it, the one dragging the numbers down is the last place finish. On the aggregate, the 2010 season and the first 30 games until Emelin got hurt are quite consistent. And even as an outlier, 2011-2012 isn't bad.
They both have cups ... are you kidding me ? There it is again .... so let me get this straight ... a goalie's value is decided on the team that plays in front of him ?? If that is the case ... why do teams even bother drafting goalies .. why don't they just sign a backup from the AHL and stack up in front of him and win the cup ? ALSO if that is the reality ... we should trade Price (since his value is so high) and build a championship team with an average goalie in nets like Budaj. Then Budaj can win the cup just like crawford and niemi did right ...
The fact is people are using 8 games to crap on Price, which says more of his detractors than it does of Price.
Really?In no particular order.....
Rinne
Backstrom
Quick
Lunqvist
Crawford
Niemi
Rask
Howard
Anderson
Bobrovski
fleury has a cup, I wouldn't trade Price for him. Emery played 18 games last year and had 1 loss, would you trade Price for him?
I didn't know cups are won solely by goalies. Niemi and Crawford have cups playing for the best team in the nhl the years they won it.
"Price was consistent in 2010-11 and 30 games of last season" = "Price was consistent except for when he was inconsistent"
Really?