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I wish I had been there to boo him. Bringing him back into the organization is one of the few things that would push me away from being a fan of this organization. It is looking more and more clear that we are thinking about making him an assistant coach next year.
I would bail till he was gone. He hasn’t shown any indication publicly of being remotely deserving of a second chance. I could care less if he has shown that in private. He is in a highly public position and he would need to make a public apology before I would even entertain the idea of a return to the greatest league in the world. If I were willing to see a path back, it would need to start at the bottom of the professional ranks and be as a result of proving for years that he could behave like a respectable adult.
 
Pretty up and down game. Hofer continues to give up far too many goals late in games for my liking. Glad we came away with the W though.

I'm glad we had a bit more of an extended look at Snuggy tonight (Not at the expense of Holloway, so as long as he's not out long term I think it's fine) - he looks like he's pretty NHL ready. There was a moment where he was in the slot and he pivoted like three times very quickly while reading Thomas - then Thomas got him the puck and he turned and fired - that kinda stuff you can't teach. Body positioning, reading your playmaker, and the quick release all together is a very dangerous package. He needs an NHL training camp to get acclimated to our system, and he could use a big off-season in the gym to make sure he's physically stronger and more ready for the grinding game/schedule of the NHL, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's a potential top 6 forward. He's now used his skating twice in two games to create legit rush opportunities, one of which Neighbors converted on. He made a great defensive play right before that goal - lifting the stick of I think Rakell to change possession. His shot is clearly a real threat. I thought the knock on him was his skating and possibly his IQ, and I haven't seen an issue with either so far. In fact I think both of them look like strengths.
 
I wish I had been there to boo him. Bringing him back into the organization is one of the few things that would push me away from being a fan of this organization. It is looking more and more clear that we are thinking about making him an assistant coach next year.

I don't think they're going to bring him back.
I don't particularly like Quenneville, but I think there should be a path for him to rehabilitate his career if he has sincere remorse for his part in what happened. I know I'll get pushback that he doesn't show remorse, but let's assume he does for a moment. If he does, I am not so sure we'd have much public indication of it. He would have been advised not to express any public responsibility, or probably no public statement at all.

If the Blues hire him, I'm going to treat it like the first Montgomery hiring and trust that they have good reason to believe he's changed. (Montgomery was a lot more sympathetic, but I suspect part of that is because it was all handled with confidentiality. In this case, that same level of confidentiality feeds suspicion and resentment.)

Q is a good coach and a good hockey mind. Everything else means nothing because this is after all a hockey team. Also i don't think they would have him as any type of coach.

I would bail till he was gone. He hasn’t shown any indication publicly of being remotely deserving of a second chance. I could care less if he has shown that in private. He is in a highly public position and he would need to make a public apology before I would even entertain the idea of a return to the greatest league in the world. If I were willing to see a path back, it would need to start at the bottom of the professional ranks and be as a result of proving for years that he could behave like a respectable adult.


I don't see how making a public apology means shit. What he did had no effect on you, why the f*** should he have to apologize to YOUR satisfaction, talk about trying to make it all about yourself.
 
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I don't particularly like Quenneville, but I think there should be a path for him to rehabilitate his career if he has sincere remorse for his part in what happened. I know I'll get pushback that he doesn't show remorse, but let's assume he does for a moment. If he does, I am not so sure we'd have much public indication of it. He would have been advised not to express any public responsibility, or probably no public statement at all.

If the Blues hire him, I'm going to treat it like the first Montgomery hiring and trust that they have good reason to believe he's changed. (Montgomery was a lot more sympathetic, but I suspect part of that is because it was all handled with confidentiality. In this case, that same level of confidentiality feeds suspicion and resentment.)
The problem is that there isn't. He has repeatedly feigned ignorance and claimed he doesn't remember any of the details. His 'remorse' is that he wishes he had known more because he believes he would have done something had he known what happened. But that version of the story is unsupported by anyone who isn't named Joel Quenneville.

Multiple people in the room for the infamous meeting say that Quenneville was specifically told that there were allegations about Aldrich trying to jump into bed and making unwanted sexual advances toward players. Multiple people in that room say that Beach's name was discussed in the meeting. Multiple people in that room say that Aldrich's name was used. Multiple people in that room said that Quenneville was agitated/angry and was one of the voices pushing not to do anything to avoid disrupting team chemistry. It is unclear whether he was the first person to voice that opinion or just the loudest.

Quenneville doesn't remember any of that and claims that people were trying to avoid saying what happened. He also doesn't remember anything about the 10 minute phone call he had with Gary (the reporting party) the day after that meeting. He speculated that the conversation was about something unrelated. It was the only phone call between the two of them in 2010.

Quenneville's claimed ignorance of any/all details doesn't line up with the statements made by any other person with knowledge of the situation. The notion that he was left in the dark in the meeting and then had a completely unrelated 10 minute conversation with the reporting party a day later is ludicrous.

Now, here is his statement of "remorse" from his interview with Cam and Strick last year: “By not asking more questions — and I take ownership on that — I think, had I known more, I think I would’ve handled it completely different,”

Give me a f***ing break.

Everyone involved tells the same version that he absolutely knew more than he's let on. The clear consensus is that he was one of the (if not the) main voice pushing to ignore it in favor of team chemistry. The consensus is that he did in fact know more than he's let on. And he has the audacity to act like his failing was simply not asking more questions.

Again, give me a f***ing break.

There isn't an ounce of sincerity in his "remorse." His complete inability or unwillingness to even be truthful about his failing makes it crystal clear that there is no remorse or growth.
 
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I don't see how making a public apology means shit. What he did had no effect on you, why the f*** should he have to apologize to YOUR satisfaction, talk about trying to make it all about yourself.
Just because we're not personally affected by his complete inaction and abject failure in that whole scenario, doesn't mean that we can't ask for accountability on his end if he wants to have a very public position within an organization that we support.
 
I went to the game last night, and I cringed when Joel was shown on the jumbotron as many Blues fans cheered for him.

The question I want Joel to be asked is: if he could go back in time and report the incident properly, would he do it with full certainty that the Blackhawks don't win a single Stanley Cup during that era? In other words, would he be willing to give up 3 championships to undo his mistake? It would be easy for anyone in his position to just say yes, but it would mean a lot more to hear that type of statement from him publicly because that's essentially what this boils down to.
 
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Cam Fowler's half-rink flip pass to Kyrou at the blue line was amazing. I thought we were just picking up Fowler for a veteran bridge player until younger guys could come on board. But I think guys like Suter and Fowler have to be looking at this like maybe their last crack at the post-season. The mixture of veterans, former Cup winners and young blood on this team is fascinating. Mix in some confident smart coaching and I really don't know what to expect. Then add Binnington getting into his zone.
Cam is only 33 and will be signing another contract after next season somewhere, doubt this is his last playoff run. Suter is a different story, being 40, he for sure knows any season could be his last. Big difference between the two guys in my book.
 
I went to the game last night, and I cringed when Joel was shown on the jumbotron as many Blues fans cheered for him.

The question I want Joel to be asked is: if he could go back in time and report the incident properly, would he do it with full certainty that the Blackhawks don't win a single Stanley Cup during that era? In other words, would he be willing to give up 3 championships to undo his mistake? It would be easy for anyone in his position to just say yes, but it would mean a lot more to hear that type of statement from him publicly because that's essentially what this boils down to.
I support coach Q making an in office comeback, in some form or another, great hockey mind. No one will ever know in what capacity he did or didn't know how everything went down. The victim coulda went to the authorities when it was happening and reported it and stopped it himself. We don't always have to witch hunt an entire organization because of one man's sins. Just like Joe Paterno, i don't think Coach's Q's legacy should ride on another man's criminal activity.

He also shouldn't have to give a pre-stated apology saying he would give up all his championships if it would make it right, he shouldn't conform to what anyone or everyone demands as a suitable apology cause everyone would have different criteria. Cant please everyone.
 
Just want to pop in and give congrats to the Blues on a tremendous playoff drive.
11 Ws in a row 😲 to get to WC1 (#7 in West).

I remember when Ovi along with Backstrom, Green, & Semin, as "Young Guns" had a super playoff drive to get in many years ago. That was the start of the "Rock the Red." They faced Philly and lost game 7 in OT. Except for that loss, I loved the entire experience.

Good luck !
 
Just quoting this one for both of your replies.

Fowler/team makeup - I agree completely. There's a lot to like about the diversity of the group. Fowler, Suter and Faulk are vets that are hungry to win. Parayko and Schenn are guys who have been there done that. And then there's a wide group of guys that are 20-26 that are breaking into the league. I think before I viewed alot of the aging vets that we had on defense as a negative, but i'm slowing starting to understand the vision of what a good group of vets can bring. Armstrong wasn't wrong about leaving the organization in a better spot when he leaves than when he took over. The future outlook is really bright. There are a few areas we will likely need to solidify before being a perennial contender from a full market view, but there aren't many teams that can really keep up with the Blues depth right now.

In terms of Snuggerud. A lot of the issues I've seen throughout the small sample size are mainly timing with other teammattes. The one that I vividly remember was when he picked it up and brought it back out of the zone and turned around and Holloway I think it was was already flying ready to enter the zone again. I don't think he's used to playing with guys that are ready to re-enter that quickly and was likely looking for a reset. That just comes with a bit of time and familiarity. He's processed the game quickly from my viewings. Made alot of smart little area passes, and has been good about not making bad turnovers and just getting the puck deep when he didn't have options. His skating isn't elite like Kyrou's, but he has had jump in his legs and looks like an above average skater for the NHL. The shot is going to play, I don't think there's any doubting that. And his playmaking is better than expected in a small sample size. He's not slow moving the puck aside from a few select times like mentioned earlier, I think I've seen that happen twice. But I think that's more of a not being accustomed to guys that are capable of turning right back around and pushing the attack as quickly as the Blues have been able to lately.
Also Holloway and Broberg as guys who have been on the journey to the SCF game 7 and know what that took. They weren’t the team leaders, but that’s still pretty valuable hunter and experience. It’s an ‘interesting’ mix.
 
This is something that legitimately concerns me. I don't care that he attends a game. But the youtube retrospective on his time here followed so closely by his appearance on the broadcast. It seems like they are taking the pulse on fan response to bringing him on board for something. And there were not near enough boos/downvotes for him.

He won't be a coach due to Monty thankfully, but we could offer him some front office position. Or maybe its a coincidence but I do not like it either way.
We couldn't win with him, but we did without him, so fk him. As for everything else, fk him too.
 
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I don't particularly like Quenneville, but I think there should be a path for him to rehabilitate his career if he has sincere remorse for his part in what happened. I know I'll get pushback that he doesn't show remorse, but let's assume he does for a moment. If he does, I am not so sure we'd have much public indication of it. He would have been advised not to express any public responsibility, or probably no public statement at all.

If the Blues hire him, I'm going to treat it like the first Montgomery hiring and trust that they have good reason to believe he's changed. (Montgomery was a lot more sympathetic, but I suspect part of that is because it was all handled with confidentiality. In this case, that same level of confidentiality feeds suspicion and resentment.)
I'm going to be closed-minded about this. We have made our own path and the past before our Cup win is absolutely not welcomed in it. I refuse to relive it, if we can avoid it and we absolutely should. I don't care how remorseful or how whatever the hell Q is assumed to be or even claims he is, that situation happened, and I absolutely do NOT trust anyone whose response to it was the one he had or how he handled it. I refuse to have anyone in a position of authority on this team who lacks integrity. Take that BS back to Chicago or somewhere where sports aren't played, I don't want it anywhere near our players, organization or the Note. Screw that.

And if you're reading this and want to reply and try and defend Q, you can take that shit somewhere else. FK him.
 
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I'm going to be closed-minded about this. We have made our own path and the past before our Cup win is absolutely not welcomed in it. I refuse to relive it, if we can avoid it and we absolutely should. I don't care how remorseful or how whatever the hell Q is assumed to be or even claims he is, that situation happened, and I absolutely do NOT trust anyone whose response to it was the one he had or how he handled it. I refuse to have anyone in a position of authority on this team who lacks integrity. That that BS back to Chicago or somewhere where sports aren't played, I don't want it anywhere near our players, organization or the Note. Screw that.

And if you're reading this and want to reply and try and defend Q, you can take that shit somewhere else. FK him.

If you had to choose one new coach, who would it be between Q and Keenan?
 
I support coach Q making an in office comeback, in some form or another, great hockey mind. No one will ever know in what capacity he did or didn't know how everything went down. The victim coulda went to the authorities when it was happening and reported it and stopped it himself. We don't always have to witch hunt an entire organization because of one man's sins. Just like Joe Paterno, i don't think Coach's Q's legacy should ride on another man's criminal activity.

He also shouldn't have to give a pre-stated apology saying he would give up all his championships if it would make it right, he shouldn't conform to what anyone or everyone demands as a suitable apology cause everyone would have different criteria. Cant please everyone.
Sorry, but when multiple people corroborate that he was aware of what happened and paraphrase him of saying that the Beach/Aldrich situation would be a distraction from competing for the Cup instead of dealing with it then, I have 0 sympathy for him.

I have no idea what actions he’s taken to show he actually is sincere about his apology, but words only go so far.

A large reason why victims themselves don’t go to police right away or at all is the prosecution process is lengthy and painful as well as having to be traumatized over and over when talking about what happened. Aldrich’s actions weren’t even immediately handled after Beach told his employer what happened to him.

Hockey is better off without Quenneville and whoever else was complicit unless they take action and show sincere remorse.
 
I'm going to be closed-minded about this. We have made our own path and the past before our Cup win is absolutely not welcomed in it. I refuse to relive it, if we can avoid it and we absolutely should. I don't care how remorseful or how whatever the hell Q is assumed to be or even claims he is, that situation happened, and I absolutely do NOT trust anyone whose response to it was the one he had or how he handled it. I refuse to have anyone in a position of authority on this team who lacks integrity. That that BS back to Chicago or somewhere where sports aren't played, I don't want it anywhere near our players, organization or the Note. Screw that.

And if you're reading this and want to reply and try and defend Q, you can take that shit somewhere else. FK him.
If he is back in the NHL, I hope it’s not the Blues. I see no way it wouldn’t anger large numbers of fans. Although I believe there should be a path back for people who make mistakes as a general principle, I don’t see the upside here. You folks have convinced me he has continued to dissemble about what happened.
 
If he is back in the NHL, I hope it’s not the Blues. I see no way it wouldn’t anger large numbers of fans. Although I believe there should be a path back for people who make mistakes as a general principle, I don’t see the upside here. You folks have convinced me he has continued to dissemble about what happened.
It wasn't a mistake; it was deliberate and highlights a total lack of integrity and ethic on Q's part as a person. I'd rather have called it out and gotten banned from the NHL than live with the stigma for what he DID and DID NOT DO. How many other 'situations' have come up that we don't know about where it was quietly set aside or swept away that Q was a part of because the way that organization handles things, they did it abit too well... is there more than one that hasn't come out yet? I'd put money on it.
 
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