The best goalscorers in the NHL-3

Namba 17

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The previous one was here The best goalscorers in the NHL - 2

But this time I came with bigger data (from 46/47) and different criterias.

I still have no ideas how to make good tables inside this forum. So, enjoy fotos.
In this post I include table with the best goalscorers 47 - 2024 ranked by ratio to average goals scored by players, which scored at least one goal in the NHL.
In the nexst post ill attach tables differentiated by amount of teams, played in the different time periods.

Youll also find insde % of goals, scored by the best NHL goal-scoreres and his team and all NHL goals and ratio between goals by the best goal-scorer and average goals per player in the corresponding season.
 

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I think we're all interested, but it's just a little reader-unfriendly (at least, on my Surface Pro, it's kind of hard to see the data). I'm not sure about other devices.

It's great that you expanded it to way back in time -- always interesting.

Do I understand that each item is based on individual seasons in isolation? (i.e., you're not considering eras or short-periods of time; just 1 season by itself? just checking.)

(By the way, there's an error where you're listing Gretzky 1983-84 as a "22 team" League, when it was 21.)
 

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I think we're all interested, but it's just a little reader-unfriendly (at least, on my Surface Pro, it's kind of hard to see the data). I'm not sure about other devices.
Yes, I understand and sorry about that. If smone teach me how to insert tables here in better way - I'll do it. Im too dumb to learn it myself.

Do I understand that each item is based on individual seasons in isolation? (i.e., you're not considering eras or short-periods of time; just 1 season by itself? just checking.)
Yes, each row is one season.
(By the way, there's an error where you're listing Gretzky 1983-84 as a "22 team" League, when it was 21.)

Yes, you right, thank you!
It didn't change anything in calculation though.
 

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Yeah, sorry, namba...I don't totally understand what it's trying to say here. I know how to use Tableau, if I can figure out the end goal, I might be able to help with the data viz haha
Yeah, if I saw the intended math behind it, I could probably figure out how to help here.
Ok, thanks.
So what did I do.
Im still running around with idea to estimate goalscorers of different epochs of the NHL.
To do this I made a table with:
1, Names of the #1 goalscorer of the NHL in each season since 46/47 and their results in corresponding season.
2. Amount of goals their teams scored in this season
3. % of goals of the team which #1 goalscorer scored in corresponding season
4. Amount of goals scored by all players of the NHL in correspondin season
5. % of goals of the whole NHL scored by #1 goalcorer
6. Avarage amount of goals scored by each player, who stepped on ice in corresponding season
7. Ratio between amount of goals by #1 goalscorer and average amount of goals of every player in corresponding season
8. Avarage amount of goals scored by each player, who scored at least 1 goal in corresponding season
9. Ratio between amount of goals by #1 goalscorer and average amount of goals of players, who scored at least 1 goal
10. % of goals, scored by team of #1 goascorer, of total amount of goals, scored by league in the correspondin season.
11. Ratio between share of goals of #1 goalscorer of his team's goals and share of goals of his team in total amount of goals, scored in the league.

Doing all this I found out that its almost impossible to compare players who played in different epochs of the NHL -epochs with different amount of teams.

Thats why I did one table, where I rated player by ratio between their goals scored and average amount of goals scored by players, who scored at least 1 goal (per one player) - 1st post.
Then I divided NHL by periods by amount of teams, played in each period (6 teams - one period, 12-14 teams - another etc) and rated players inside those periods - 2nd post
Then I rated players inside those periods by ratio between share of goals of #1 goalscorer of his team's goals and share of goals of his team in total amount of goals, scored in the league -3d post.

Thats what I want to share with community :)
If its sounds complicated - please, ask questions :)
 
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My general first thought would be that give advice to do exactly like what I did to compare scoring accross era which would lead to boring similar result (but could catch my mistake)

i.e. focus more on what the top goal scorer did than league wide scoring, if someone played in a era that defenseman did not score that many goals versus someone else that played when it was popular to do so, should it say anything about how good they were at scoring goals ?

In an era where there was 12 skaters getting ice time versus an era where they rolled 18 ?


Going with league wide scoring seem to introduce all those issues and looking what the average goal scorer did among all skaters that scored goals is just a complicated way to get league wide scoring numbers + introducing a bigger issues when the amount of skaters by team change over time.
 

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Gotcha - so if I can try to boil this down with an example:

In 2025-26, Mike Farkas is the leading scorer in the NHL and he plays for the HFBoards Historians. He scored 30% of the Historians' goals.

Overall for 2025-26 across all 32 teams, the team's leading scorer accounted for 24% of their teams' goals (this is the sum of goals by each team's leading scorer divided by the total goals in the league).

2025-26 would receive a "score" of 30%/24% or 1.25?

(And would it matter if the second-leading scorer in the NHL, Mad Luke, scored 32% of his team's goals?)
 

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Gotcha - so if I can try to boil this down with an example:

In 2025-26, Mike Farkas is the leading scorer in the NHL and he plays for the HFBoards Historians. He scored 30% of the Historians' goals.

Overall for 2025-26 across all 32 teams, the team's leading scorer accounted for 24% of their teams' goals (this is the sum of goals by each team's leading scorer divided by the total goals in the league).

2025-26 would receive a "score" of 30%/24% or 1.25?

(And would it matter if the second-leading scorer in the NHL, Mad Luke, scored 32% of his team's goals?)
I didn compare each team best scorers. I took only #1 results.

In 2025-26, Mike Farkas is the leading scorer in the NHL and he plays for the HFBoards Historians. He scored 30% of the Historians' goals.
Then we'll see how many goals his team scored and find % of total amount of all goals scored in the season (by all teams), say, its 15%.
Then we divide 30 on 15. The result itself doesnt mean much. But we compare it to the same result of the best goalscorers of the NHL, who played in the NHL in different seasons but as long, as there are 32 teams in the NHL.

My general first thought would be that give advice to do exactly like what I did to compare scoring accross era which would lead to boring similar result (but could catch my mistake)

i.e. focus more on what the top goal scorer did than league wide scoring, if someone played in a era that defenseman did not score that many goals versus someone else that played when it was popular to do so, should it say anything about how good they were at scoring goals ?

In an era where there was 12 skaters getting ice time versus an era where they rolled 18 ?


Going with league wide scoring seem to introduce all those issues and looking what the average goal scorer did among all skaters that scored goals is just a complicated way to get league wide scoring numbers + introducing a bigger issues when the amount of skaters by team change over time.
Im not sure I got your point
 

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Im not sure I got your point
As roster get bigger, it will be natural for top scorer share of goals to get down (but it will not be linear) considering this what does their share of league goals tell us ?

And because it will not be linear, we cannot adjust (like hockey reference do by doing a simple that year roster size / 18 ratio type).

You risk really strongly to end up doing exactly what hockey reference do, average team scoring, some roster size ratio, which is not bad per say but already available.
 

Namba 17

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As roster get bigger, it will be natural for top scorer share of goals to get down (but it will not be linear) considering this what does their share of league goals tell us ?
Thats why I compare result only inside time periods with the same amout of teams in the League.
You risk really strongly to end up doing exactly what hockey reference do, average team scoring, some roster size ratio, which is not bad per say but already available.
I havent see anything like what i did but if anybody already did this i wont complain:)

But to say if its the same or not - people should see what i did. and it seems that thats the main problem:laugh:

If you know how to put tables here I can send my results to you, if you wish and you will post them here in better shape:)
 

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Thats why I compare result only inside time periods with the same amout of teams in the League.
I was more talking about the number of players that play for a team, nhl roster size changed constantly.


  • 1925-26 - Teams to dress a maximum of 12 players for each game from a roster of no more than 14 players.
  • 1928-29 - Exclusive of goaltenders, team to dress at least 8 and no more than 12 skaters.
  • 1938-39 - Maximum number of players in uniform increased from 14 to 15.
  • 1942-43 - Player limit reduced from 15 to 14. Minimum of 12 men in uniform abolished.
  • 1949-50 - Clubs allowed to dress 17 players exclusive of goaltenders.
  • 1951-52 - Number of players in uniform reduced to 15 plus goaltenders.
  • 1952-53 - Teams permitted to dress 15 skaters on the road and 16 at home.
  • 1952-53 - Teams permitted to dress 15 skaters on the road and 16 at home.
  • 1954-55 - Number of players in uniform set at 18 plus goaltenders up to December 1 and 16 plus goaltenders
  • 1960-61 - Number of players in uniform set at 16 plus goaltenders.
  • 1965-66 - Teams required to dress two goaltenders for each regular-season game.
  • 1971-72 - Number of players in uniform set at 17 plus 2 Goaltenders.
  • 1982-83 - Number of players in uniform set at 18 plus 2 goaltenders.

Even in the 06 era, roster shift quite a bit.

In 52-53 if you are not Red Kelly and play defense, you will not score many goals, all the Ds in the nhl scored a combined 95 goals (19 of those from Kelly)

There was 1006 goals scored that year, a bit less than 9.5% of them by Ds, by 66-67 they scored 155 goals in a league that scored 1252, they share increased to 12.4%.

That would naturally decrease the percentage of goals of forward scorer, should this impact how good they are considered at scoring ?
 
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Namba 17

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I was more talking about the number of players that play for a team, nhl roster size changed constantly.


  • 1925-26 - Teams to dress a maximum of 12 players for each game from a roster of no more than 14 players.
  • 1928-29 - Exclusive of goaltenders, team to dress at least 8 and no more than 12 skaters.
  • 1938-39 - Maximum number of players in uniform increased from 14 to 15.
  • 1942-43 - Player limit reduced from 15 to 14. Minimum of 12 men in uniform abolished.
  • 1949-50 - Clubs allowed to dress 17 players exclusive of goaltenders.
  • 1951-52 - Number of players in uniform reduced to 15 plus goaltenders.
  • 1952-53 - Teams permitted to dress 15 skaters on the road and 16 at home.
  • 1952-53 - Teams permitted to dress 15 skaters on the road and 16 at home.
  • 1954-55 - Number of players in uniform set at 18 plus goaltenders up to December 1 and 16 plus goaltenders
  • 1960-61 - Number of players in uniform set at 16 plus goaltenders.
  • 1965-66 - Teams required to dress two goaltenders for each regular-season game.
  • 1971-72 - Number of players in uniform set at 17 plus 2 Goaltenders.
  • 1982-83 - Number of players in uniform set at 18 plus 2 goaltenders.

Even in the 06 era, roster shift quite a bit.

In 52-53 if you are not Red Kelly and play defense, you will not score many goals, all the Ds in the nhl scored combined 95 goals (19 of those from Kelly)

There was 1006 goals scored that year, a bit less than 9.5% of them by Ds, by 66-67 they scored 155 goals in a league that scored 1252, they share increased to 12.4%.

That would naturally decrease the percentage of goals of forward scorer, should this impact how good they are considered at scoring ?
Interesting point, but it didnt affect numbers (or almost didn't), while changing of amount of teams definately did. And you can see it in my tables also
 

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Interesting point, but it didnt affect numbers (or almost didn't), while changing of amount of teams definately did. And you can see it in my tables also
Yes I believe you 100% of that, that the roster size change will not affect the top scorer a lot (except say if we compare the 20s vs today level of roster, once you have 14 skater or so, how many less minutes Howe get if you rise the amount of skater, are more fresh the skater he face ?, etc...), that one major issue with hockey reference that they assume it not only will, but that it will be linear instead of a log (at least for the player who interest us, the superstar, it could be perfectly true for third liner).

Would you have went back far enough to the Morenz day (or even more so Joe Malone), I think you would have seen the effect clearly.
 

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Ok.
Because its hard for people to read foto Ill do some part of tables here as it is. There will be not all the data, but youll see the order at least.

First table - #1 goalscorers arranged by ratio between goals they scored and avarage goals scored by all players who scored goals in given season.

Name / season / goals by #1 / ratio to av

Brett Hull 90/91 86 767,41
Lemieux 88/89 85 689,63
Gretzky 83/84 87 669,53
Gretzky 81/82 92 664,65
Ovi 07/08 65 646,49
Lemieux 95/96 69 642,53
Brett Hull 91/92 70 632,21
Matthews 23/24 69 631,88
Stamkos 11/12 60 630,69
Bure 00/01 59 614,18
Esposito 70/71 76 613,08
Selanne 92/93 76 611,24
Mogilny 92/93 76 611,24
Lemieux 87/88 70 602,69
Bure 99/00 58 600,60
Brett Hull 89/90 72 590,98
McDavid 22/23 64 582,24
Matthews 21/22 60 567,14
Gretzky 84/85 73 556,72
Esposito 71/72 66 555,91
Matthews 20/21 41 552,73
Selanne 97/98 52 551,99
Bondra 97/98 52 551,99
Bossy 78/79 69 548,29
Ovi 14/15 53 542,70
Howe 52/53 49 540,66
Ovi 08/09 56 539,29
Iginla 01/02 52 539,21
Esposito 73/74 68 538,68
Gretzky 82/83 71 536,90
Bure 93/94 60 536,36
Hejduk 02/03 50 532,16
Ovi 13/14 51 528,81
Ovi 19/20 48 521,58
Pastrnak 19/20 48 521,58
Ovi 15/16 50 520,08
Ovi 12/13 32 510,33
Bossy 80/81 68 509,71
Perry 10/11 50 509,46
Tkachuk 96/97 52 508,62
Kurri 85/86 68 507,93
Gretzky 86/87 62 507,87
Cheechoo 05/06 56 502,58
Crosby 09/10 51 502,19
Stamkos 09/10 51 502,19
Bondra 94/95 34 500,83
Selanne 98/99 47 487,74
Ovi 18/19 51 486,44
Bobby Hull 66/67 52 485,94
Lecavalier 06/07 52 482,97
Lafleur 77/78 60 481,57
Bobby Hull 68/69 58 475,86
Howe 51/52 47 474,31
Bobby Hull 65/66 54 473,61
Ovi 17/18 49 471,05
Shutt 76/77 60 469,16
Kovi 03/04 41 453,61
Iginla 03/04 41 453,61
Nash 03/04 41 453,61
Geoffrion 60/61 50 452,02
Esposito 74/75 61 448,97
Crosby 16/17 44 447,57
Bobby Hull 61/62 50 439,08
Simmer 79/80 56 438,36
Gare 79/80 56 438,36
Howe 50/51 43 437,93
Bealiveau 55/56 47 428,48
Leach 75/76 61 428,35
Richard 46/47 45 423,11
Howe 56/57 44 416,64
Richard 49/50 43 415,77
Bobby Hull 63/64 43 409,35
Esposito 72/73 55 409,00
Bobby Hull 67/68 44 403,39
Richard 53/54 37 392,37
Bealiveau 58/59 45 391,95
Ullman 64/65 42 372,02
Geoffrion 54/55 38 369,59
Esposito 69/70 43 358,74
Bobby Hull 59/60 39 352,83
Lindsay 47/48 33 347,53
Howe 62/63 38 340,75
Dickie Moore 57/58 36 333,96
Sid Abel 48/49 28 309,20
 

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Second table. Everything is as in Table #1, but divided by season with different amount of teams.

6 teams

Howe 52/53 49 540,66
Bobby Hull 66/67 52 485,94
Howe 51/52 47 474,31
Bobby Hull 65/66 54 473,61
Geoffrion 60/61 50 452,02
Bobby Hull 61/62 50 439,08
Howe 50/51 43 437,93
Bealiveau 55/56 47 428,48
Richard 46/47 45 423,11
Howe 56/57 44 416,64
Richard 49/50 43 415,77
Bobby Hull 63/64 43 409,35
Richard 53/54 37 392,37
Bealiveau 58/59 45 391,95
Ullman 64/65 42 372,02
Geoffrion 54/55 38 369,59
Bobby Hull 59/60 39 352,83
Lindsay 47/48 33 347,53
Howe 62/63 38 340,75
Dickie Moore 57/58 36 333,96
Sid Abel 48/49 28 309,20

12-14 teams

Esposito 70/71 76 613,08
Esposito 71/72 66 555,91
Bobby Hull 68/69 58 475,86
Bobby Hull 67/68 44 403,39
Esposito 69/70 43 358,74

16-18 teams

Bossy 78/79 69 548,29
Esposito 73/74 68 538,68
Lafleur 77/78 60 481,57
Shutt 76/77 60 469,16
Esposito 74/75 61 448,97
Leach 75/76 61 428,35
Esposito 72/73 55 409,00

21-22 teams

Brett Hull 90/91 86 767,41
Lemieux 88/89 85 689,63
Gretzky 83/84 87 669,53
Gretzky 81/82 92 664,65
Brett Hull 91/92 70 632,21
Lemieux 87/88 70 602,69
Brett Hull 89/90 72 590,98
Gretzky 84/85 73 556,72
Gretzky 82/83 71 536,90
Bossy 80/81 68 509,71
Kurri 85/86 68 507,93
Gretzky 86/87 62 507,87
Simmer 79/80 56 438,36
Gare 79/80 56 438,36

24 teams
Selanne 92/93 76 611,24
Mogilny 92/93 76 611,24

26-28 teams
Lemieux 95/96 69 642,53
Bure 99/00 58 600,60
Bondra 97/98 52 551,99
Selanne 97/98 52 551,99
Bure 93/94 60 536,36
Tkachuk 96/97 52 508,62
Bondra 94/95 34 500,83
Selanne 98/99 47 487,74

30-31 teams
Ovi 07/08 65 646,49
Stamkos 11/12 60 630,69
Bure 00/01 59 614,18
Matthews 20/21 41 552,73
Ovi 14/15 53 542,70
Ovi 08/09 56 539,29
Iginla 01/02 52 539,21
Hejduk 02/03 50 532,16
Ovi 13/14 51 528,81
Ovi 19/20 48 521,58
Pastrnak 19/20 48 521,58
Ovi 15/16 50 520,08
Ovi 12/13 32 510,33
Perry 10/11 50 509,46
Cheechoo 05/06 56 502,58
Crosby 09/10 51 502,19
Stamkos 09/10 51 502,19
Ovi 18/19 51 486,44
Lecavalier 06/07 52 482,97
Ovi 17/18 49 471,05
Kovi 03/04 41 453,61
Nash 03/04 41 453,61
Iginla 03/04 41 453,61
Crosby 16/17 44 447,57

32 teams
Matthews 23/24 69 631,88
McDavid 22/23 64 582,24
Matthews 21/22 60 567,14
 

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3d table
Players arranged by epochs and by ratio between share of goals of #1 goalscorer of his team's goals and share of goals of his team in total amount of goals, scored in the league (last column)

6 teams

Richard 49/50 43 166,86
Richard 46/47 45 143,36
Bobby Hull 61/62 50 134,21
Bobby Hull 59/60 39 132,36
Howe 56/57 44 126,81
Bobby Hull 65/66 54 119,72
Howe 62/63 38 118,66
Howe 51/52 47 110,83
Bobby Hull 63/64 43 105,47
Bealiveau 55/56 47 101,46
Ullman 64/65 42 101,12
Howe 52/53 49 100,01
Lindsay 47/48 33 99,48
Richard 53/54 37 98,16
Geoffrion 60/61 50 97,70
Bobby Hull 66/67 52 93,43
Howe 50/51 43 87,93
Bealiveau 58/59 45,00 82,27
Geoffrion 54/55 38 77,43
Sid Abel 48/49 28 72,02
Dickie Moore 57/58 36 67,68

12-14 teams

Bobby Hull 67/68 44 242,34
Esposito 71/72 66 202,91
Bobby Hull 68/69 58 201,03
Esposito 70/71 76 162,68
Esposito 69/70 43 148,42

16-18 teams

Bossy 78/79 69 256,05
Esposito 74/75 61 252,75
Leach 75/76 61 247,49
Esposito 73/74 68 222,65
Lafleur 77/78 60 220,95
Esposito 72/73 55,00 206,51
Shutt 76/77 60 191,57

21-22 teams

Brett Hull 91/92 70 550,41
Brett Hull 90/91 86 519,45
Brett Hull 89/90 72 512,11
Lemieux 88/89 85 443,82
Lemieux 87/88 70 428,96
Simmer 79/80 56 392,99
Gretzky 81/82 92 356,61
Bossy 80/81 68 348,31
Gare 79/80 56 326,84
Gretzky 84/85 73 293,44
Gretzky 83/84 87 289,89
Gretzky 86/87 62 276,26
Gretzky 82/83 71 256,50
Kurri 85/86 68 249,78

24 teams

Selanne 92/93 76 535,84
Mogilny 92/93 76 495,18

26-28 teams

Selanne 97/98 52 696,00
Bondra 94/95 34 685,11
Bure 99/00 58 614,32
Bondra 97/98 52 609,65
Selanne 98/99 47 592,76
Tkachuk 96/97 52 561,25
Bure 93/94 60 545,67
Lemieux 95/96 69 352,82

30-31 teams

Bure 00/01 59 1000,35
Iginla 01/02 52 829,13
Nash 03/04 41 826,69
Ovi 07/08 65 785,68
Stamkos 09/10 51 785,30
Stamkos 11/12 60 749,72
Ovi 13/14 51,00 680,20
Iginla 03/04 41 647,60
Lecavalier 06/07 52 638,13
Ovi 14/15 53 633,91
Perry 10/11 50 622,10
Pastrnak 19/20 48 608,50
Cheechoo 05/06 56 605,04
Matthews 20/21 41 603,85
Ovi 12/13 32 588,39
Crosby 09/10 51 574,67
Kovi 03/04 41 565,67
Ovi 17/18 49 564,63
Ovi 19/20 48 563,14
Ovi 08/09 56 558,76
Ovi 15/16 50 542,37
Ovi 18/19 51 520,54
Hejduk 02/03 50 518,24
Crosby 16/17 44 387,38

32 teams

Matthews 23/24 69,00 613,81
Matthews 21/22 60 508,61
McDavid 22/23 64 505,46
 

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I am not sure what that number mean:
share of goals of his team in total amount of goals,

It seem to go up as the league get bigger and does not look like a percentage necessarily....

When I see 1000,35 next to Bure 59 goals, what am I looking at ?
 

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I am not sure what that number mean:
share of goals of his team in total amount of goals,

It seem to go up as the league get bigger and does not look like a percentage necessarily....

When I see 1000,35 next to Bure 59 goals, what am I looking at ?
In 00/01 season there were 6782 goals scored in the whole NHL.
Bure's team scored 200 goals or 2,95 % of total amount of NHL goals
Bure himself scored 59 goals or 29,5 % of his team's 200 goals
29,5 / 2,95 * 100 = 1000
The idea is:
The more goals of your teams total goals of the season you scored, the more valuable player you are to your team. But the less goals your team scored, compared to other teams, the weaker is the team you play for. So, the more this ratio is, the more outsanding season you had.
 

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