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This situation gives me the weirdest combination of excitement and disappointment. Love the fact that we're gonna witness a great young d-core grow into one of the best we've seen in over a decade here. Super bummed that Larsson probably won't be a part of it. I have to agree with ZBC that there's little chance he signs here after this situation. Gotta move him I really see no way around it.
 
JimEIV said:
What? Let him play as a "free spirit" huh?

Have you watched Severson in the last two games? He plays defense better after 2 games than Larsson does after 3 years. That is not even a slight exaggeration.... Severson is doing within the system and probably has garnered more trust from the organization in a week than Larsson has in 3 years.

Stop it with the excuses. Larsson has fumbled every opportunity he has had by not showing anything..
You know Mark Fayne was only 1 year a head of him, granted there was a significant age difference but even the non-thrilling Mark Fayne was able to ascend to the top 4 and hold on to it.

We've seen Fayne, Merrill, Gelinas, and now Severson take their opportunity and make the most of it....Larsson has done no such thing and that is 100% his fault.
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So why are u so against trading him. You critique the kid to no end and he hasn't played a game yet, however, you want an incredible return for him. Please make up your mind. The organization killed any true value he had. Don't expect a big return and as most anti Larsson's fans like to write, being the 4th pick no longer as any bearing.
 
I'm really astounded at how the narrative has changed on Larsson...

Most everyone here that's ragging on Adam had him penned in the top 6 before a preseason where, I've shared the numbers earlier in the thread, he played no worse than Severson. In roughly equal minutes, more points, higher +/-, fewer PIMs... But Severson gets the nod because of some supposed unintangibles in practice.

So Severson takes the chance and runs with it for the first two games. Great. I'm extremely happy with what we see from the kid and I hope he becomes part of the core here for a looong time. But for all of his poise and his points yesterday, is the step down to Larsson so bad as we would have expected to lose one or both of the past two games? If he's mediocre, promote Sevs in due time. But if he, himself, takes off... win-win as we develop a tradeable asset instead of depreciating on the bench.

All this talk of hand-wringing, coddling, and being a pantywaist is misguided. It has zero to do with sentimentality or emotion, and has everything to do with asset management. Even if you subscribe to the belief that he's nowhere near the what 4th overall label would suggest, we are not in position to be squandering potentially highly valued assets.
 
Brooklyndevil said:
So why are u so against trading him. You critique the kid to no end and he hasn't played a game yet, however, you want an incredible return for him. Please make up your mind. The organization killed any true value he had. Don't expect a big return and as most anti Larsson's fans like to write, being the 4th pick no longer as any bearing.
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It should, though.


Would hate to just give up on him like this but as ZBC said, I doubt Adam sticks around if this whole debacle with Deboer continues. :dunno:

That's why it's imperative that Lou trades him at the deadline for a legit talent(if possible) so the Devils can get something worthwhile in return. He's only 21 so whomever gets him still has time to develop him into an NHL player(even though I believe he already is one right now and is ready)
 
This is no longer about Serverson over Larsson. So far Sev has showed he belongs. It's more about how the organization treated him, especially early last season when he and Gelly looked good, when he came back from an injury he was demoted and Volchenko and Harrold played instead. You can't convince me that Pete just dislikes the kid. I can't say why, but I believe he does.
 
Brooklyndevil said:
This is no longer about Serverson over Larsson. So far Sev has showed he belongs. It's more about how the organization treated him, especially early last season when he and Gelly looked good, when he came back he was demoted and Volchenko and Harrold played. You can't convince me that Pete just dislikes the kid. I can't say why but I believe he does.
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You mean "You can't convince me that Pete does NOT dislike the kid."
 
devilsblood said:
So are you saying asset mgmt is not something that a GM should consider?

And I'm not even saying that we should play him. But him sitting on the bench makes no sense.
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I am saying a couple things.

1) This board used to be fun. The arguments, even when circular, were argued intelligently and had nuance about hockey and appreciation for the history and legacy of the team we root for...And with a sense of humor. Folks were FUNNY.

Now the air is thick with negativity and constant, just grindingly perpetual complaining...about the coach, the GM, our Captain, our fourth line...whatever perceived imperfection du jour.

The sense of entitlement seems Ranger-esque (and we have an actual winning legacy, unlike that dumpster fire of a franchise)...like a room of spoiled children throwing tantrums. No wonder so few fans of other teams come around, so many former regulars have run for daylight.

If it weren't for Jim, RG, Classic Devil, the occasional Ronnie Bass appearance, and a handful of others keeping it real, not only would this board have lost all sense of the great legacy of the greatest team in hockey...that I have rooted for since I was 15 years old (am 47 now), but also have lost touch with the legacy of the best hockey board there ever was.

It is a huge bummer on here. It is everyone's right to be damp asshats, all the time, sure, but at least try to be funny. As this is joyless.

2) Regarding trading Larsson two games into a long season where we control his rights and are going to need him, and calling that good asset management, shows me people don't understand asset management (or how tough real professional life is). And simply because the player is unhappy and may choose to become so unhappy to abandon all dreams of the NHL and go home tail between his legs (however unlikely) a YEAR FROM NOW, and using the low percentage chance of that as leverage for a current argument about asset management...when the goal is to win this year and every year...isn't terribly clear on asset management. Yet the term is peppered into every argument on here.

Sounds a lot like all the people suddenly dropping the term "flavor profile" in every conversation because they watched some Top Chef and Chopped and have become self-proclaimed "foodies"...despite the fact that their own dinner consisted of Funyuns, Hot Pockets and Diet Mountain Dew.
 
glenwo2 said:
It should, though.


Would hate to just give up on him like this but as ZBC said, I doubt Adam sticks around if this whole debacle with Deboer continues. :dunno:

That's why it's imperative that Lou trades him at the deadline for a legit talent(if possible) so the Devils can get something worthwhile in return. He's only 21 so whomever gets him still has time to develop him into an NHL player(even though I believe he already is one right now and is ready)
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He's going to play, not full time until Sally is gone. However, if I'm the kid , when it's time to discuss a new contract I'm going to have my agent play hardball with Lou or try to get traded. He does have opitions Sweden or the KHL.
 
GameSeven said:
All this talk of hand-wringing, coddling, and being a pantywaist is misguided. It has zero to do with sentimentality or emotion, and has everything to do with asset management. Even if you subscribe to the belief that he's nowhere near the what 4th overall label would suggest, we are not in position to be squandering potentially highly valued assets.
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That's what it was about before Game #1. In fact the asset management point is twofold - was Severson playing too soon and whether it was unneccesarily counterproductive not to play Larsson. But now that the lineup's working and the team's winning, Larsson can't say anything at the moment and neither can those of us who criticized the initial hasty-looking decision.

But yeah wanting Larsson in the lineup was NEVER about 'guaranteeing' him a spot in perpituity or coddling him. If he started mediocre and Severson torched it up the first few weeks in Albany, I would have had no issue with telling Larsson to go scratch then. It just seems like he's so star-crossed here for whatever reason, how much of it's him and how much of it's the staff and just not fitting the system who knows. Saying definitively it's only on either one is foolish...there's blame to go all around. It just seems like Larsson's detractors want to put all the onus on him alone and all of Larsson's defenders want to put the onus on Pete alone.
 
JerryGigantic said:
I am saying a couple things.

1) This board used to be fun. The arguments, even when circular, were argued intelligently and had nuance about hockey and appreciation for the history and legacy of the team we root for...And with a sense of humor. Folks were FUNNY.

Now the air is thick with negativity and constant, just grindingly perpetual complaining...about the coach, the GM, our Captain, our fourth line...whatever perceived imperfection du jour.

The sense of entitlement seems Ranger-esque (and we have an actual winning legacy, unlike that dumpster fire of a franchise)...like a room of spoiled children throwing tantrums. No wonder so few fans of other teams come around, so many former regulars have run for daylight.

If it weren't for Jim, RG, Classic Devil, the occasional Ronnie Bass appearance, and a handful of others keeping it real, not only would this board have lost all sense of the great legacy of the greatest team in hockey...that I have rooted for since I was 15 years old (am 47 now), but also have lost touch with the legacy of the best hockey board there ever was.

It is a huge bummer on here. It is everyone's right to be damp asshats, all the time, sure, but at least try to be funny. As this is joyless.

2) Regarding trading Larsson two games into a long season where we control his rights and are going to need him, and calling that good asset management, shows me people don't understand asset management (or how tough real professional life is). And simply because the player is unhappy and may choose to become so unhappy to abandon all dreams of the NHL and go home tail between his legs (however unlikely) a YEAR FROM NOW, and using the low percentage chance of that as leverage for a current argument about asset management...when the goal is to win this year and every year...isn't terribly clear on asset management. Yet the term is peppered into every argument on here.

Sounds a lot like all the people suddenly dropping the term "flavor profile" in every conversation because they watched some Top Chef and Chopped and have become self-proclaimed "foodies"...despite the fact that their own dinner consisted of Funyuns, Hot Pockets and Diet Mountain Dew.
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:yo: This post is fantastic, every bit of it.
 
Honestly two seasons out of the playoffs + all the off-ice nonsense during that period is going to get people cranky. I don't remember it being constantly negative during our run in 2012, and I think (hope?) the general mood improves if the team continues winning this year. I also think people have to seperate honest-to-goodness debate from negativity. Some can divorce the two but some people DO veer toward being all negative, all the time. Which is true of any message board btw.

That said let's not call each other out in public please. We can talk about the general mood but let's not individually finger-point and try to keep this on topic.
 
JerryGigantic said:
I am saying a couple things.

1) This board used to be fun. The arguments, even when circular, were argued intelligently and had nuance about hockey and appreciation for the history and legacy of the team we root for...And with a sense of humor. Folks were FUNNY.

Now the air is thick with negativity and constant, just grindingly perpetual complaining...about the coach, the GM, our Captain, our fourth line...whatever perceived imperfection du jour.

The sense of entitlement seems Ranger-esque (and we have an actual winning legacy, unlike that dumpster fire of a franchise)...like a room of spoiled children throwing tantrums. No wonder so few fans of other teams come around, so many former regulars have run for daylight.

If it weren't for Jim, RG, Classic Devil, the occasional Ronnie Bass appearance, and a handful of others keeping it real, not only would this board have lost all sense of the great legacy of the greatest team in hockey...that I have rooted for since I was 15 years old (am 47 now), but also have lost touch with the legacy of the best hockey board there ever was.

It is a huge bummer on here. It is everyone's right to be damp asshats, all the time, sure, but at least try to be funny. As this is joyless.
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And yet you still stick around with us "damp asshats". :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


But also realize that when this thread was created, there are going to be opposing viewpoints posted here that you won't like. Unless you expected everyone to agree with you or someone else regarding Larsson.....If that were the case, there won't be any more debate then and this thread would've been buried awhile ago. :dunno:


My point being is that Larsson deserves better than he's getting right now. Things might change in the near-future but right now, I can only try and empathize(sp?) with him and his situation.
 
JerryGigantic said:
I am saying a couple things.

1) This board used to be fun. The arguments, even when circular, were argued intelligently and had nuance about hockey and appreciation for the history and legacy of the team we root for...And with a sense of humor. Folks were FUNNY.

Now the air is thick with negativity and constant, just grindingly perpetual complaining...about the coach, the GM, our Captain, our fourth line...whatever perceived imperfection du jour.

The sense of entitlement seems Ranger-esque (and we have an actual winning legacy, unlike that dumpster fire of a franchise)...like a room of spoiled children throwing tantrums. No wonder so few fans of other teams come around, so many former regulars have run for daylight.

If it weren't for Jim, RG, Classic Devil, the occasional Ronnie Bass appearance, and a handful of others keeping it real, not only would this board have lost all sense of the great legacy of the greatest team in hockey...that I have rooted for since I was 15 years old (am 47 now), but also have lost touch with the legacy of the best hockey board there ever was.

It is a huge bummer on here. It is everyone's right to be damp asshats, all the time, sure, but at least try to be funny. As this is joyless.

2) Regarding trading Larsson two games into a long season where we control his rights and are going to need him, and calling that good asset management, shows me people don't understand asset management (or how tough real professional life is). And simply because the player is unhappy and may choose to become so unhappy to abandon all dreams of the NHL and go home tail between his legs (however unlikely) a YEAR FROM NOW, and using the low percentage chance of that as leverage for a current argument about asset management...when the goal is to win this year and every year...isn't terribly clear on asset management. Yet the term is peppered into every argument on here.

Sounds a lot like all the people suddenly dropping the term "flavor profile" in every conversation because they watched some Top Chef and Chopped and have become self-proclaimed "foodies"...despite the fact that their own dinner consisted of Funyuns, Hot Pockets and Diet Mountain Dew.
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how long can we hang our hat on 15-20 years ago? this is my point. Yes, we had a dominant run from 95-2003. no questions asked. it was awesome. but I am not sure what that has to do with now....this team has not had success in the recent future.

as for Larsson- all I am saying is that if this keeps up, I'll almost guarantee he doesn't re-sign. And that means we lost a a top 5 draft pick. I don't care if we have 100 DMen that are ready to step in, it wasn't handled correctly. IF that does happen (which I've noted a bunch of times).
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
how long can we hang our hat on 15-20 years ago? this is my point. Yes, we had a dominant run from 95-2003. no questions asked. it was awesome. but I am not sure what that has to do with now....this team has not had success in the recent future.

as for Larsson- all I am saying is that if this keeps up, I'll almost guarantee he doesn't re-sign. And that means we lost a a top 5 draft pick. I don't care if we have 100 DMen that are ready to step in, it wasn't handled correctly. IF that does happen (which I've noted a bunch of times).
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Now THIS post was fantastic. :naughty:

I agree 1000% with this.
 
NJDevs26 said:
Honestly two seasons out of the playoffs + all the off-ice nonsense during that period is going to get people cranky. I don't remember it being constantly negative during our run in 2012, and I think (hope?) the general mood improves if the team continues winning this year. I also think people have to seperate honest-to-goodness debate from negativity. Some can divorce the two but some people DO veer toward being all negative, all the time.
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Was coming in here to post this but you said it well. The glorious sarcasm (which this board still has compared to others), trololo and all of that was during the good times. A few years of missed playoffs, least liked captain in recent memory and divisive coach led to this.

There has also been a lot of partisanship (not unlike national politics) among the fan base lately and not just on this board. The Marty vs Cory, you suck vs anti you suck, and Pete vs anti Pete debates have really pitted Devils fans against each other. More than past squabbles and typical banter imo.
 
NJDevs26 said:
Honestly two seasons out of the playoffs + all the off-ice nonsense during that period is going to get people cranky. I don't remember it being constantly negative during our run in 2012, and I think (hope?) the general mood improves if the team continues winning this year. I also think people have to seperate honest-to-goodness debate from negativity. Some can divorce the two but some people DO veer toward being all negative, all the time. Which is true of any message board btw.

That said let's not call each other out in public please. We can talk about the general mood but let's not individually finger-point and try to keep this on topic.
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It wasn't too negative during the playoff run but I distinctly remember plenty of negativity throughout the regular season that didn't really die down until they clinched a playoff spot.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
how long can we hang our hat on 15-20 years ago? this is my point. Yes, we had a dominant run from 95-2003. no questions asked. it was awesome. but I am not sure what that has to do with now....this team has not had success in the recent future.

as for Larsson- all I am saying is that if this keeps up, I'll almost guarantee he doesn't re-sign. And that means we lost a a top 5 draft pick. I don't care if we have 100 DMen that are ready to step in, it wasn't handled correctly. IF that does happen (which I've noted a bunch of times).
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The problem is that you mistake perspective for "hanging our hat" on previous success.

The other part of this equation is that there are tons of misguided opinions that get tossed around by a few and then adopted by a large contingent, usually of the negative variety. Go back in previous threads over the last 3-4 years...you see it time and time again where a negative "meme" gets created here, posters are flipping out and lambasting our GM/coach/player whoever it may be; and then you look back on it in two years and those posters/opinions have been proven wrong and it looks ridiculous. And only select minority notice it for what it is at the time.

Go back and take a look. I remember at what point most of the posters on this board wanted Zidlicky off the team because his D was "atrocious".

I could stand the negativity if it had some basis on sound knowledge of the game and some hint of objectivity and perspective.
 
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