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Ah! The Sharks were the bottom of the barrel NHL team. In my book, those picks were well earnedBeing top-2 in the draft, regardless of how you end up there, is winning in my books.
Ah! The Sharks were the bottom of the barrel NHL team. In my book, those picks were well earnedBeing top-2 in the draft, regardless of how you end up there, is winning in my books.
I do think going from CHL to NCAA as basically a GR 12 is a massive jump given the competition in NCAA is 18-23 years of age. BCHL to CHL same age range, but better players. Reid is a Late Bday and he didn't dominant like you would want from someone with his tools.
That said, I would still go Carels as my pick on D. He's likely not a #1, but I think he can be a very good #2. Plus the intangibles seem good as well. Western CAD kid and wants to play for a CAD team. Knows and understands what it would mean.
Don't see it. I don't think he runs a PP1 in the NHL. Verhoeff is probably more of a 40-50 point defenseman that gets PP2 scraps. He just doesn't have the agility or process the game offensively like a true pp QB.Verhoeff has the most offensve upside of the dmen...
You can't just ignore size and height. That is a big fundamental part of hockey and athletics in general.I know what positions they play lol.
I just dont see a fit on this team. I dont care if Reid is 6'9, they play the same kind of game. I dont see him into this dynamic PP 1 kind of player he was barely that in the OHL. Hes a smooth skating dman who can jump up on the rush.
Id see his realistic upside to a Bowen Byram or Rasmus Andersson type. That is a valuable piece I mean we just saw Byram go for #4, but he has a higher chance of hitting that with a better team with forwards to play with.
I honestly dont understand the hype with this player. Do people watch him and actually see dynamic offensive upside?
That being said , IF the Canucks do draft him im going to be optimistic and have an open mind and hope he proves me wrong.
Well I didn't say "an entire season to adapt" in my post, and even said Verhoeff's 2nd half was concerning. However, I did say that a 3rd OV (post draft) should be able to adapt almost immediately, and I stand by that, as a year makes a big difference at that stage of their development. So yes, players like Reid and Malhotra get significantly less leeway on adapting to the NCAA in the upcoming seaon.Why should a D-0 (it’s not his D-1, that was last year) need an entire season to adapt? I’ve never heard any other player get that kind of rope, especially when they actually start out ok and then regress as the season goes on.
Making the NHL is hard. Becoming a top 2/3 D is even harder. It isn’t gifted to you just because you score 21 goals in your D-1, and yet I see people contort themselves into knots to explain why they should excuse Verhoeff’s struggles in his D-0.
Viggo Bjork is the same age as Verhoeff and excelled in a far harder league than NCAA. When you’re good, you’re good. No excuses needed.
Like I say, it’s absolutely bizarre.
You can't just ignore size and height. That is a big fundamental part of hockey and athletics in general.
You just named 2 6'1, 200lb players. Reid is a late blooming 6'2.5", who apparently grew like 3 inches the last two seasons. A converted forward just 7 years ago. So you assume there's a different growth curve than others. He's already 195lbs, which suggests, again, there's more growth indicated there. Maybe he plays at 210, 215 when he's a man. Who knows?
Height equates to a longer stick, longer wingspan, greater reach. Taller means better leverage, size means easier boxouts, less fear in puck retrievals, better lane disruptions, more chances to win puck battles. Hockey is basically won or lost with just margins.
They say that 1 inch means 20lbs in extra leverage, whether that's stick checks, board battles, net front scrums, etc. It just matters, period.
Of course there's always valid criticisms of players. If he ends just a 2/3 defenseman, that's actually f***ing fantastic. An elite skating 2/3 RHD that controls the game with his own timing, rangy stick, some offense and ability to eat up big minutes will always have value.
It's a weak draft, there isn't guaranteed superstars. Carels doesn't have the offensive vision or creativity to translate his junior production to the NHL. Feel free for people to disagree, but either you see the hockey sense in players or you don't. Reid has higher hockey sense, but does not impose his will onto the game. Both players have flaws you can pick at all day.
Now, I don't want for us to draft Reid either, but that's for other reasons. The Canucks will pick whoever they pick. What sense is there to argue about it? If he gets picked at 3rd, there's nothing you can do. If we pick Carels/Malhotra/Bjorck, there's nothing you can do. The fact you said hope he proves you wrong is some narcissist shit. He will succeed or fail independent of you, me or anyone on here.
Do they know Canucks are picking Reid?
TOR - McKenna
SJ - Stenberg
VAN - Reid
BUF - Malhotra
NYR - Smits
CGY - Carels
SEA - Verhoeff
Or
TOR - McKenna
SJ - Stenberg
VAN - Malhotra
BUF - Bjorck
NYR - Reid
Well I didn't say "an entire season to adapt" in my post, and even said Verhoeff's 2nd half was concerning. However, I did say that a 3rd OV (post draft) should be able to adapt almost immediately, and I stand by that, as a year makes a big difference at that stage of their development. So yes, players like Reid and Malhotra get significantly less leeway on adapting to the NCAA in the upcoming seaon.
What a hellacious year.
Be the worst team in the league by a country mile in a weak draft year, lose both lotteries, miss out on the top two franchise calibre talents, the next best forward is your coach's f***ing son, and then the best defenceman is a bible thumping Trump supporting American.
f*** me actually sideways

Stenberg might not be an option
If McKenna and Stenberg are the first two off the board then the Canucks have to take Malhotra. Taking a D feels like a mistake unless they have a trade lined up to swap Buium/EP2 for a good young C
What a hellacious year.
Be the worst team in the league by a country mile in a weak draft year, lose both lotteries, miss out on the top two franchise calibre talents, the next best forward is your coach's f***ing son, and then the best defenceman is a bible thumping Trump supporting American.
f*** me actually sideways
Did one of the local shows say a scout said they wish their club traded their 26 picks away?So the fourth and ninth overall picks in this draft have already changed hands. Not sure what to make of this.....other than some teams aren't valuing it very highly.
Can't remember a year when two picks in the top-10 changed hands, and we aren't even to draft day yet.
The value of draft picks might be changing as the cap grows and free agency weakens.So the fourth and ninth overall picks in this draft have already changed hands. Not sure what to make of this.....other than some teams aren't valuing it very highly.
Can't remember a year when two picks in the top-10 changed hands, and we aren't even to draft day yet.
So the fourth and ninth overall picks in this draft have already changed hands. Not sure what to make of this.....other than some teams aren't valuing it very highly.
Can't remember a year when two picks in the top-10 changed hands, and we aren't even to draft day yet.
Trying to predict the quality of specific draft prospects a year+ out is fruitlessThe 2027 and 2028 1st rounds are littered with centers....
Verhoeff does have the old school slapper but honestly in this day and age I think an elite PP QB from the back end isn’t that important.Don't see it. I don't think he runs a PP1 in the NHL. Verhoeff is probably more of a 40-50 point defenseman that gets PP2 scraps. He just doesn't have the agility or process the game offensively like a true pp QB.
i think hes gonna be a bust. think gudbranson type dman. big and strong but dumb as rocks for a brain. iq lacking. his skating is pretty poor. whoever drafts him he'll probably be switching teams throughout his career. carels/reid/randolph is the ones to watch.Verhoeff has the most offensve upside of the dmen...