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I feel like Rudolph is definitely a riskier bet but I think he has the highest ceiling of any D in this draft. Very curious to see where he ends up.I’d say he’s in a tier below Reid and Carels.
I feel like Rudolph is definitely a riskier bet but I think he has the highest ceiling of any D in this draft. Very curious to see where he ends up.I’d say he’s in a tier below Reid and Carels.
Literally every single draft pick that's ever made will have character and culture fit taken into consideration. This is just a new extension of that.
And it's a big deal. A *substantial* percentage of star-level American players drafted to Canadian teams are just doing what Quinn Hughes did - get through 5-6 years and then leverage their way the hell out of town. You absolutely have to factor this into the value proposition - if Chase Reid is a 9/10 player who forces his way out of town in 5-6 years and Carson Carels is an 8/10 player who is a rock for your team for 12-15 years ... that's a pretty easy decision which one to take.
It sucks that this has to be a consideration, but it absolutely does have to be a consideration.
I've said this a few times over the last few years, but 'good scouting' is just Keep it Simple Stupid and don't do dumb shit. Don't think you're smarter than you are. Don't go to drafts trying to dazzle with brilliance. Get the right players in the right tiers and then when you're up to pick, pick the player from the highest tier whose value proposition best fits your organization. Where teams go wrong is when they think they're going to outsmart everyone or fall in love with a guy and lose perspective on what tier he should actually be in.
I have Chase Reid as the best D in this draft. But it's also *BARELY* so. And if I have him, like 2% ahead of Carels but history is telling us that there's probably a 20-30% chance (at least) that his commitment to this organization will be an issue ... this, again, makes things a pretty easy decision.
I don't have a f in clue where the "Malhotra fanboys" tag came from.
there was never a "Reid fanboys" or "Stenberg fanboys" or "Mckenna fanboys" but for whatever reason there is a Malhotra fanboy tag, wtf.
Literally every single draft pick that's ever made will have character and culture fit taken into consideration. This is just a new extension of that.
And it's a big deal. A *substantial* percentage of star-level American players drafted to Canadian teams are just doing what Quinn Hughes did - get through 5-6 years and then leverage their way the hell out of town. You absolutely have to factor this into the value proposition - if Chase Reid is a 9/10 player who forces his way out of town in 5-6 years and Carson Carels is an 8/10 player who is a rock for your team for 12-15 years ... that's a pretty easy decision which one to take.
It sucks that this has to be a consideration, but it absolutely does have to be a consideration.
I've said this a few times over the last few years, but 'good scouting' is just Keep it Simple Stupid and don't do dumb shit. Don't think you're smarter than you are. Don't go to drafts trying to dazzle with brilliance. Get the right players in the right tiers and then when you're up to pick, pick the player from the highest tier whose value proposition best fits your organization. Where teams go wrong is when they think they're going to outsmart everyone or fall in love with a guy and lose perspective on what tier he should actually be in.
I have Chase Reid as the best D in this draft. But it's also *BARELY* so. And if I have him, like 2% ahead of Carels but history is telling us that there's probably a 20-30% chance (at least) that his commitment to this organization will be an issue ... this, again, makes things a pretty easy decision.
I think one under discussed aspect of the whole flight risk stuff is how much the COVID year specifically played into it and amplified it. The Canadian Division and having effectively a full year where they were stuck in Canada and couldn't easily go home / visit with friends + family caused issues to surface that would otherwise have never come up. In a normal year half the season they're on the road and the vast majority of that time is spent in the US so it's much easier for them to avoid feeling like they're "trapped" in Canada.A lot of my concerns with Reid have been eased watching him interview. He interviews well and seems genuine enough regarding flight risk stuff. If he was firmly not interested, he wouldn't be doing Donnie & Dhali or anything like that.
Stenberg is going to be available to us. Question is do we pick him?Just gotta laugh that in a year where we have the 3rd pick, the top 2 picks are slam dunks, and our choice is between our coach's son or an American defenceman who follows Trump on Instagram. Lol
Stenberg is going to be available to us. Question is do we pick him?
We'd be f***ing stupid not to. It's Juolevi pt 2 if they pass on him.
Just gotta laugh that in a year where we have the 3rd pick, the top 2 picks are slam dunks, and our choice is between our coach's son or an American defenceman who follows Trump on Instagram. Lol
the top 2 picks are not slam dunks though..... already mentioned. he has 4 teams out of 9 have Malhotra at 2, and one other team have him at 1. Also Carels average rating is higher than Chase Reids. So nothing is a slam dunk. seems like there's a tier 2 is actually 4 players. However that's just via a 9 team survey. 21 other teams didn't make a submission.
I also think some teams might have just ignored their request for a submission. I can see that. This is some classified stuff.It's probably all of the bottom teams anyway. I don't think they are polling Vegas and Carolina to see who they would draft in the top 10.
I remember someone else here saying he had a dream, the team came out with mckenna and the ruck twinsFor what it's worth my dream last night had us drafting Reid at #3.
Its a foregone conclusion Sharks are taking him. I'd have to agree.what makes you think this?
Its a foregone conclusion Sharks are taking him. I'd have to agree.
We don’t know if he actually has any really character issues. That’s almost entirely speculation based on him being American, and apparently, a republican. But sure, no disagreement that they should assess that.Literally every single draft pick that's ever made will have character and culture fit taken into consideration. This is just a new extension of that.
I’m not disagreeing with weighing that. My point is that not picking him because he’s American may blow up in our face. Or not. But if you pick the player you think is the best and it doesn’t work out, then sure, that’s happens. But if you don’t pick him based on his nationality and perceived flight risk, and he hits and your guy doesn’t, then that’s going to sting. And even if he doesn’t want to stay, you’ve still got an extremely valuable asset.And it's a big deal. A *substantial* percentage of star-level American players drafted to Canadian teams are just doing what Quinn Hughes did - get through 5-6 years and then leverage their way the hell out of town. You absolutely have to factor this into the value proposition - if Chase Reid is a 9/10 player who forces his way out of town in 5-6 years and Carson Carels is an 8/10 player who is a rock for your team for 12-15 years ... that's a pretty easy decision which one to take.
I don’t disagree with you here. It just could be a disastrous outcome if you pick the worse player based on a risk that is so undefinable and unknown. And drafting at third overall isn’t some slam dunk. When you look at outcomes of picks this range they very significantly, and I don’t really like the idea of lowering the probability of our hit rate here because of an unknown and undefinable risk.It sucks that this has to be a consideration, but it absolutely does have to be a consideration.
Not sure I totally agree, but I agree with lots of this. But I still doubt that NHL scouting teams actually see players in the kind of equal tiered approach you are suggesting. Because we know, there aren’t actually equal tiers. It’s only a perception, or an idea that they are equal because we can’t discern the difference that will ultimately result in their very different outcomes. I don’t think NHL scouts think that way, and I think that’s the case because they sieves thousands of hours actually watching these players play.I've said this a few times over the last few years, but 'good scouting' is just Keep it Simple Stupid and don't do dumb shit. Don't think you're smarter than you are. Don't go to drafts trying to dazzle with brilliance. Get the right players in the right tiers and then when you're up to pick, pick the player from the highest tier whose value proposition best fits your organization. Where teams go wrong is when they think they're going to outsmart everyone or fall in love with a guy and lose perspective on what tier he should actually be in.
It’s hard to quantify these kinds of things, and giving a percentage is too simplistic. One player may be boom or bust, the other a high floor. But again, I don’t really like lowering our chances of getting a high end player at 3rd overall.I have Chase Reid as the best D in this draft. But it's also *BARELY* so. And if I have him, like 2% ahead of Carels but history is telling us that there's probably a 20-30% chance (at least) that his commitment to this organization will be an issue ... this, again, makes things a pretty easy decision.
Speaking of which. The betting odds on bet365 have recently shifted from Reid to stenberg for pick 2Interestingly one week out here are the odds. Time to put your money where your mouth is! These are the odds of each player being selected at each position. I listed the most favored player in each spot.
2) Stenberg -145
3) Malhotra -290
4) Reid -115
5) Smits +170
6) Bjorck -125
Shares have picked up Kesselring for a swap of picks; and I imagine will add a veteran d-man or two on July 1st. They're trying to insulate Chase Reid who just seem automatic to the Sharks for me.Its a foregone conclusion Sharks are taking him. I'd have to agree.
They can sign pro contracts and remain in college.Shares have picked up Kesselring for a swap of picks; and I imagine will add a veteran d-man or two on July 1st. They're trying to insulate Chase Reid who just seem automatic to the Sharks for me.
Apparently he's headed to the NCAA next season, but wouldn't shock me if the Sharks try to sign him to his ELC and get him into the NHL as early as next season.
Somehow I just can't see them picking another forward in this draft--with all the top players so closely bunched.