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The good news is they won’t be changing plans based on this aberration long after they’ve been out of contention.
The bad news is they were always not going to do anything this summer.
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The bad news is they were always not going to do anything this summer.
ValJamesDuex
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someone said this about Byrum recently. Good organizations either know what they have or you don't and have a plan. Why is is happening now ? Embarrassing if so.
TehDoak
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‘The summer of offer sheets’: NHL execs and agents on why a boom could be coming this offseason
With a rising cap, so-so UFA class and the Blues' recent success poaching RFAs, the conditions for offer-sheet mania are in place.
www.nytimes.com
Super bonus heavy, cash up front deal for Peterka from a contender incoming, right in the late 1st range.
And the Sabres will have to reconcile with it.
OkimLom
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Wow. Just wow. There's a reason why playing guys in roles and minutes that suits them is a legitimate roster construction concept, and context management should take into account, when making roster decisions.
We've lost a lot of games when Dahlin is our #1 D, does that mean he must go too? How far do we take this "logic" and actually give it more weight than it deserves?
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I think what TageGod is implying is that you can't pay a guy something like 8x$8m if he can't even tread water as a #1 D for 10 games.
Zman5778
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So you're talking about something around $6.75M AAV?
Sabres snap-match that without even thinking about it. Pegula will have zero issues (and has had zero issues) with giving money to roster players. Pegula's major money issues revolve around off-ice things....specifically the scouting and management budgets.
The under-the-radar offer sheet target might be Quinn. It's possible that a contender that thinks they can fix him (or that this late-season surge isn't a mirage) might offer him a $5-6M AAV contract in the 1st-and-3rd range. That would make Adams/Pegula pause, I would imagine.
TehDoak
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Now that the trade deadline is in the rearview, I think a few things need to be talked about. Namely, why did two names that the Sabres should not be in the business of trading end up on the rumor mill
Namely, Tuch and Peterka.
Last year when Tuch's name came up, Adams went out of his way to put cold water on it. Like literally met with the press just to say 'no we aren't trade Tuch'.
He did say that he felt Peterka was a key piece when asked about it. And the Rangers flatly denied they were in on Peterka when the rumors got started.
So the question is...why are their names on the rumor mill at all? Is it simply a matter of a RFA and a player one year short of UFA on a bad team and the media playing guessing games?
Now, there are really two reasons why their names would be out there in rumors:
One being...that the Sabres were actually taking/making calls on both Peterka and Tuch.
The second potentially being....their agents put their names out there.
Either way, the question is....
Why are the Sabres (or their agents) trying to get either Peterka or Tuch out the door.
I think if you go and watch the embedded, there was two things mentioned about Zucker by both Pegula and Adams is that Zucker 'wants to be here'. And those comments made it into a highly edited video that was made to make the front office appear 'competent'
And if you go back to Shitshow of the 2021 post season pressers, Adams hammered home that players 'who want to be here' are who they wanted to move forward with.
It was mentioned on Frank Seravalli that there were several 'malcontents' on the Sabres roster.
Couple that with Dahlin going to Adams directly to get some clarity on the team moving forward....I think its safe to say this summer is going to be an inflection point.
While most of the team had a honeymoon period with Granato, two straight years of regression and now a harder to play for coach without good results.....key players appear to be sick of it. And two of those players appear to be Tuch and Peterka.
The Ownership has to decide this summer:
Do we want to be a real NHL team with a real GM and a real front office.....or do we want to be a developmental team for the rest of the NHL with a co-GM Owner.
With the potential of Adams only real win of his draft history (so far) in peterka and local boy who grew up a Sabres fan both wanting out....this has to be a wake up to make some serious changes.
Namely, Tuch and Peterka.
Last year when Tuch's name came up, Adams went out of his way to put cold water on it. Like literally met with the press just to say 'no we aren't trade Tuch'.
He did say that he felt Peterka was a key piece when asked about it. And the Rangers flatly denied they were in on Peterka when the rumors got started.
So the question is...why are their names on the rumor mill at all? Is it simply a matter of a RFA and a player one year short of UFA on a bad team and the media playing guessing games?
Now, there are really two reasons why their names would be out there in rumors:
One being...that the Sabres were actually taking/making calls on both Peterka and Tuch.
The second potentially being....their agents put their names out there.
Either way, the question is....
Why are the Sabres (or their agents) trying to get either Peterka or Tuch out the door.
I think if you go and watch the embedded, there was two things mentioned about Zucker by both Pegula and Adams is that Zucker 'wants to be here'. And those comments made it into a highly edited video that was made to make the front office appear 'competent'
And if you go back to Shitshow of the 2021 post season pressers, Adams hammered home that players 'who want to be here' are who they wanted to move forward with.
It was mentioned on Frank Seravalli that there were several 'malcontents' on the Sabres roster.
Couple that with Dahlin going to Adams directly to get some clarity on the team moving forward....I think its safe to say this summer is going to be an inflection point.
While most of the team had a honeymoon period with Granato, two straight years of regression and now a harder to play for coach without good results.....key players appear to be sick of it. And two of those players appear to be Tuch and Peterka.
The Ownership has to decide this summer:
Do we want to be a real NHL team with a real GM and a real front office.....or do we want to be a developmental team for the rest of the NHL with a co-GM Owner.
With the potential of Adams only real win of his draft history (so far) in peterka and local boy who grew up a Sabres fan both wanting out....this has to be a wake up to make some serious changes.
Zman5778
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Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer: Other teams were calling on a player on year short of UFA on a bad team and on a RFA player.
toddkaz
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I wonder if there is a team dumb enough to take on UPL's contract?
I also wonder if Adams is dumb enough to make him the starter here next year?
I also wonder if Adams is dumb enough to make him the starter here next year?
Good players step into higher roles all the time from injuries. No one expects them to be Dahlin. If your depth can't get you to win a single game, it is an issue. Byram is proving he needs Dahlin to be decent. He is part of the problem.
Oddly enough, in that string of 7 games, Power was also basically useless and he makes $8M while leading them in TOI in three of those games.
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I'd get a better coaching staff in place, especially with this D core, before I start to shuffle pieces out. They could get more physical, sure, but there is a lot of highly-touted players not living up to their potential. Dahlin is awesome, but I would argue he could be even better with the right coaching.
OkimLom
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So if a player can't play #1 D minutes or roles, then he should be gone, because that's how it's coming off.
toddkaz
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For me both Power and Byram are expendable.
If a team wants to give us a responsible two-way top 6 center or a defensively responsible top 4 defenceman I am listening.
The biggest thing this team needs is players who are defensively responsible.
I don't understand the approach where people want to take Power off the table. Find me a GM who overvalues Power and we got a deal.
OkimLom
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Seeing as the defense is a revolving door and has been for years, and has been one since this coaching staff has been here, I'd give pause about being so quick to place the blame on the player so heavily, without seeing changes in that area and philosophy first.
Overall, I don't take issue with the thought of trading off Byram, I just take issue with the Logic you provided to justify that idea.
We have 3 top 4 talented Defenseman, with flaws to their games, 2 of them not being able to anchor their own pairing yet. I question the use and defenseman direction of having these type of defenseman, as it hasn't been working for years, nor have we implemented a system that COULD take advantage of their skillsets to offset/hide their weaknesses. IF we're not going implement these players to their strengths, then maybe they need to view the defense as a support unit, and not a part of the primary unit to use to push their offense, and focus on going heavy with the forwards offense being the drivers of offense for the team.
Since they are both the same kind of problem in a nutshell, Byram is the odd man out.
Having players who only play one way games at forward is also not going to solve things. We watch them play that way already, it isn't helping.
So am I. Put competent changes in the d core in front of him, & I think he returns to a vezina lite level goalie & gains back his confidence again
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The expectation is that Byram is going to command upwards of 7 or 8 million to get signed, and yes your #2 or #3 d-man is expected to step up and at least tread water when filling in for the #1.
Byram being unable to fulfill that duty points towards him not being worth the 7+ million it will take to sign him.
sabremike
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We have a coach whose track record is that his goaltenders go to complete shit under his system.
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