Dahlin calling it like it is about not being good enough and needing to be better is exactly what I want to hear out of letter wearers. I'm certainly not turning on him but then again, I've rarely gotten along with most Buffalo sports fans.
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toddkaz
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If anything I think fans would get behind Dahlin. Or am I giving them more credit then they deserve?
I think you're right, in a large part. Much of the fanbase has seen the futility of the last 14 years and I hope they realize what is causing it.
But unfortunately they may simply see it as another pampered, highly paid, pro player wanting out.
sabremike
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At the next home game fans should do the reverse of what is done to Jack and cheer wildly anytime Dahlin touches the puck.
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The last thing this team needs is to jettison Dahlin out of town. Given how long it took Buffalo to find an elite #1 D, we probably wouldn't get another player of his caliber on the backend in my lifetime. He's really the only player on this team I would never trade because no team is going to offer enough to get him.
I'd say I'd boycott the Sabres for years if they traded him, but I've been doing that already, haha.
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OkimLom
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The fans hate players that have said the exact same things that fans have said regarding the environment, and because of the influence of having limited media outlets to listen to about the sports teams, it's very easy for fans to turn on players, ESPECIALLY when the organization (which has been the common denominator over the 14 years with problems) controls access those media outlets have.
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Fans also hate Adams, Pegula and losing more. Fans literally calling for Adams to be fired and Pegula to sell the team.
The only person that demanded out was Eichel and that was a completely different situation. Eichel acted like a petulant child.
If Dahlin wants out my money is the pitchforks come for Adams and not Dahlin.
If the organization had the influence you claim over media outlets the arena would be full.
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The frustrating part is that I think he’s capable of it. I don’t expect Power to ever play up to his size in terms of winning physical battles, but we’ve seen flashes from him where he’s demonstrated the ability to be in good positions and make great defensive plays with his stick. He just hasn’t been able to do it for more than the odd game here or there, but he has it in him somewhere.
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Fans that venture around on message boards sure. The hate towards Adams from the casual or general Sabres fans, is because they lose often, but if the fans are given someone to hate/blame, they will take the bait way more often than not. Make it a captain, or someone expected to carry the team, and they will jump immediately.
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You mean my eyes and ears are deceived by the empty seats and booing? Thats a lot of message board fans not going to games.
Buffalo is bottom 5 in attendance.
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The fans not showing are more tied into the Sabres not winning, than they are about a specific message to a person (Adams or Pegula). Sure there are fans that voice their displeasure towards those guys, but it's not at the level that you may think.
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So not winning causes loss of support to the team and thus to the owner. Not winning also brings disdain to any owner, GM and coach not just Buffalo.
How will that support look if you trade your franchise defenseman away and basically rebuild again?
Your claim is the casual fan will continue to support this because Pegula controls the media. Quite the leap. The NHL Agent poll looks awful for Terry Pegula and the sabres and I am not sure "controlling" local media will be able to spin the fallout if Dahlin wanted out.
Terry Pegula was rated the 2nd worst owner in the league and that has nothing to do with local media, casual fans or message board fans.
If Dahlin wants out sure some fans will boo him but I also think it will bring Pegula and Adams unwanted attention on a national level.
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sabremike
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But this time even the dimwits in the local media are sympathetic to Dahlin and not pulling the usual character assassination like they've done in the past.
Here's where I'm at:
The Sabres are in trouble as currently constructed. 5v5 they've outperformed their possession. Special teams have been poor. Other situations (5v6, 6v5, 3v3) they've been very poor.
Washington and Columbus are the only teams 'luckier' than Buffalo 5v5. They need to raise their goal differential by about 25 to make the playoffs. A top team has a differential at least 50 better.
I'm not sure where this differential is going to come from.
The Sabres are in trouble as currently constructed. 5v5 they've outperformed their possession. Special teams have been poor. Other situations (5v6, 6v5, 3v3) they've been very poor.
| Goal Differential | xG Differential | Delta | Score/Venue Adj xG | |
| 5v5 | +8 | -15 | +23 | -10 |
| Power Play | +24 | +30 | -6 | +26 |
| Penalty Kill | -40 | -33 | -7 | -30 |
| Other | -14 | -5 | -9 | -6 |
| Overall | -22 | -23 | +1 | -21 |
Washington and Columbus are the only teams 'luckier' than Buffalo 5v5. They need to raise their goal differential by about 25 to make the playoffs. A top team has a differential at least 50 better.
I'm not sure where this differential is going to come from.
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Is 3 years of evidence enough to show it isn't just luck? Couldn't it just be players scoring from non-scoring chance areas?
sabremike
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Why do so many guys end up having great success the second they exit this organization? The idea that this roster (while certainly flawed) is the 74 Caps or something and can't be salvaged and we need to churn 60% of the roster is treating a symptom and not the causes. We have one of the worst coaching staffs (and worst executives) in the league and that's been the case for years. They can't figure out the strengths and weaknesses of their own players and put them in positions to fail. Joker is a fantastic example of this and an earlier poster called him going elsewhere and doing very well in a structured environment that plays to his strengths.
Basically this. When Byram came here he was a stud. Within 10 games he looked lost. Sabres structure effect.
The constant losing and pressure put on young players is a huge part of it. Cozens put massive pressure on himself from the sounds of things.
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