The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Chainshot]

I still don't get throwing shade at the guys who are 5/6/7/8/9 in terms of ESTOI/game on defense and not the guys who are 2/3/4. The priorities seem off if it's that somehow Power, Byram as 2/3 in that are not the raison d'etre of the unit being ass.

There is no one single player who is going to fix what Power does wrong other than Power. There is no single player who is going to improve what Byram does wrong but Byram. They are both offensively gifted in different ways but they don't fit together and neither is winning their match-up enough in their own zone to justify them getting the payroll one has gotten and the other is thought to be getting.

Shitty defensive defensemen doing shitty things while even shitty forwards still constantly play on the wrong side of the puck isn't going to change if the 5/6/7 are different. Fixing either one is more on the entire forward group to unstick their heads from their asses and play with urgency in their own zone. They have what, three? four? guys up front who do so regularly instead off having two or three at most who do not. Too many players still blow the zone early. Too many players are still not committed to coming back and taking a man on the backcheck. Too many players are still unwilling, unable, or disinterested in winning possession in their own zone, of playing their position.

 

[TehDoak]

The implied part is people who want to create news (which isn't), or create drama (which doesn't exist).

I can imply that Dahlin said "get better or trade everyone around me." Or "get better or I'm going to the owner saying you needs to go." Or "get better or I'm breaking my contract and going back to Sweden to play in the SHL."

None of that is true.

Your best player going to the GM and saying, and this is an exact quote:

"I'm not happy where we are at. I don't want to lose. We have to get better"

Is never. Ever. Ever. A good thing. The fact that he feels he HAS to go to the GM and say it is BAD.

There isn't a way to spin this into a non story.

Your best player isn't happy with the way things are going. And he's just confirmed to all of us he isn't happy.

 

[Dahlicious]

My game plan would be to turn over at least 4 of the top-6 on the blue line. Keep Dahlin, keep JBD as a 6/7, and maybe move everyone else.

 

[RefsIdeas]

This hits the nail on the head for me.

He didn’t say “get better or I’m out” explicitly but there’s obviously frustration - and to ignore it/believe it won’t go further if we don’t get better in a hurry is foolish.

 

[toddkaz]

I still don't get throwing shade at the guys who are 5/6/7/8/9 in terms of ESTOI/game on defense and not the guys who are 2/3/4. The priorities seem off if it's that somehow Power, Byram as 2/3 in that are not the raison d'etre of the unit being ass.

There is no one single player who is going to fix what Power does wrong other than Power. There is no single player who is going to improve what Byram does wrong but Byram. They are both offensively gifted in different ways but they don't fit together and neither is winning their match-up enough in their own zone to justify them getting the payroll one has gotten and the other is thought to be getting.

Shitty defensive defensemen doing shitty things while even shitty forwards still constantly play on the wrong side of the puck isn't going to change if the 5/6/7 are different. Fixing either one is more on the entire forward group to unstick their heads from their asses and play with urgency in their own zone. They have what, three? four? guys up front who do so regularly instead off having two or three at most who do not. Too many players still blow the zone early. Too many players are still not committed to coming back and taking a man on the backcheck. Too many players are still unwilling, unable, or disinterested in winning possession in their own zone, of playing their position.

Shitty defensemen doing shitty things isn't the problem.

Its the same shitty defensemen doing the same shitty things for years on this team and Adams doing nothing about it thats the problem. Along with Adams replacing shitty defensemen with more shitty defensemen.

The issue is Adams repeating the same thing over and over every year signing fringe players and trying to turn them into top 9 and top 6 defensemen.


Adams also puts defensemen in positions they never should have been in but because Adams can't build the defense you got guys like Byram who isn't a 1-2 playing in the 1-2 position

Baseline for a vet 3D you sign as a UFA will be $3.5M at least unless (1) vet discount wanting to win a cap, or (2) some ho still want to play in the nhl and they sign under $2M but you get what you pay for.

Non 1st round D taken usually dony fo anything at nhl level for 4-6 yrs after drafted or 3rd yr sfter signing


New place might help JBD. See what happens




I agree with the framework. Benson and zquinn could be exchanged or greenway on left, benson on right

Similarly you cou li d ffg clip peterllja and zucker


Depends on your player rating and who is best


You should br drafting every year at least when you arent certain on goalie

Subjective valuing of prospects.


His first draft was 2020. He didnt have many picks to begin with and didn't see up his scouting. Hes been drafting D




I see a plan in Adams

Unlike Murray/Botts, he inherited more talent in the system.

He d pi es a rebuild for4 draft years 21'34 to build up prospect pool.

He starts to making moves last summer.

iirc they have had 38 reg or IT L, in 28 if them they had lead, tied. Or down 1 in the 3rd.

They are 4-8-3 in games entering tied.

You take those 8 games they lost when tied, add another 8 if them down 1 in the 3rd. Add 4 more they lost late in game ot in OT when they had plead.

Thsts 20 games. You win half in OT...tjey would be in the hunt for s WC spot

A lot of excuses here for Adams. Defensemen take longer to mature than forwards so if your plan is to rebuild why draft only 1 RHD over a 3 year span? That means we are still 2-3 years away from seeing a RHD come up through the system.

If you aren't going to draft RHD then you need to trade for them. Don't see that over a 5 year span either.

 

[Fjordsen]

Baseline for a vet 3D you sign as a UFA will be $3.5M at least unless (1) vet discount wanting to win a cap, or (2) some ho still want to play in the nhl and they sign under $2M but you get what you pay for.

Well, it depends on how will look JBD and we can sign a cheaper #6 - #7.

Jamming everyone into the development team in Rochester simultaneously is a choice that I have never agreed with. Not only is there direct competition between high draftees, there is no room for any unforeseen growth from anyone else into a contributing player. It limits cycles for practice and game time experience to a few. Yet it seems to be what they want to do though it isn't something anyone else anywhere is trying.

New Hagels will be appearing soon.

 

[Djp]

Well, it depends on how will look JBD and we can sign a cheaper #6 - #7.

He plays with power and sees what happens

He is arb eligible. I dont see him getting a QO at this time.

 

[Fjordsen]

He plays with power and sees what happens

He is arb eligible. I dont see him getting a QO at this time.

I'm not sure why he plays with Power, but let's say, although I see him as a third pair defenseman.

 

[zenthusiast]

Dahlin was just sincerely curious about next steps as he plans to move into management after a long career of never making the playoffs

 

[toddkaz]

Would Owen Power be a different defenseman if he wasn't making 8.35 million a season? Meaning making him earn the contract. How much can you blame Owen Power for his play and not for the way this clown franchise handles their young players handing them 8 million dollars? This is Owen Power's 3rd season and Kevyn Adams hasn't done anything to get a vetaran partner for Owen Power.

The problem is its a clown franchise so how much can you blame Power for being Power and how much is it the way this organization handles Owen Power?

 

[Beerz]

"I never said I want out of here. I said I'm not happy where we are at. I don't want to lose. We have to get better"

Your best player met with management saying he isn't happy with where the team is at, that he doesn't want to lose, that they have to get better

This is your best player saying he isn't happy. Is it the EXACTLY what Biz said Dahlin said? No. But the spirit, essentially, the same.

If your boss called you into his office and said he wasn't happy with your work and you have to be better.

Is he threatening to fire you? No. He never said "get better or else you will be fired"

The 'or else' is implied.

Dahlin never said "We need to start winning or I'm gone"

He just said "We need to start winning"

The "Or I'm gone" is implied.

Jesus Christ Dahlin says this after almost every loss. This isn't surprising to those who follow this team.

Biz took 2 publicly available pieces of information..

1. That Adams met with Dahlin in the past week.

2. That Dahlin is not happy with losing.

And turned that into that Dahlin told Adams that if things don't change he is going to leave.

Which Dahlin emphatically denied and said he thought he made himself crystal clear of that. Dahlin even refutes your implied interpretation

 

[TehDoak]

Jesus Christ Dahlin says this after almost every loss. This isn't surprising to those who follow this team.

Biz took 2 publicly available pieces of information..

1. That Adams met with Dahlin in the past week.

2. That Dahlin is not happy with losing.

And turned that into that Dahlin told Adams that if things don't change he is going to leave.

Which Dahlin emphatically denied and said he thought he made himself crystal clear of that. Dahlin even refutes your implied interpretation

He emphasized he never said the word leave.

The important part here is that your best player isn't happy with how things are going and that things have to change.

There is no refuting that he said that (he repeated it)

And he also said this to the teams GM

He doesn't have to say "Or else I'm leaving". Heck he's under contract for 7 more years.

Tell me a situation where your best player being unhappy with the direction of the team and him telling the GM so directly is good news? Or a non story?

 

[SundherDome]

Ekblad might be a good partner for Power, Pegula connection, bunch of money to throw. Maybe he brings a few "supplements" to unleash Rage Power.

 

[Fjordsen]

Ekblad might be a good partner for Power, Pegula connection, bunch of money to throw. Maybe he brings a few "supplements" to unleash Rage Power.

We don't have cap space. I would kick the tires on any good UFA that could come our way, but we're going to have to figure out some of our players to have a cap.

 

[Beerz]

He emphasized he never said the word leave.

The important part here is that your best player isn't happy with how things are going and that things have to change.

There is no refuting that he said that (he repeated it)

And he also said this to the teams GM

He doesn't have to say "Or else I'm leaving". Heck he's under contract for 7 more years.

Tell me a situation where your best player being unhappy with the direction of the team and him telling the GM so directly is good news? Or a non story?

Why is it good news? Because your best player is telling management that you're not doing a good enough job and you hope the owner sees this and fires the dumbass GM.

Dahlin is stepping up as the Captain.. for the fans and the players saying your shit ain't working

 

[toddkaz]

He emphasized he never said the word leave.

The important part here is that your best player isn't happy with how things are going and that things have to change.

There is no refuting that he said that (he repeated it)

And he also said this to the teams GM

He doesn't have to say "Or else I'm leaving". Heck he's under contract for 7 more years.

Tell me a situation where your best player being unhappy with the direction of the team and him telling the GM so directly is good news? Or a non story?

I could see how Spittin Chiclets came to their conclusion and to be honest its probably great that they put it out there.

Interesting that Dahlin even met with Adams....Its a logical conclusion.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

What was Adams doing drafting Poltapov, Kisakov and Leinonen when we have huge holes on defense? It made no sense. What kind of plan is that.

Mateychuk and Mintuykov looks like they are going to be very good but you draft 3 forwards in the 1st round?

Along with Evans, Zellweger, Hutson and about 15 other promising defensemen they could have drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 but whats the plan here? You draft Leinonen a goalie you don't need when Hutson, Luneau, Warren and others are still on the board.

Adams drafted Leinonen in the 2nd round, he was predicted to go in the 3rd round and was at least 4-5 years away from being in the NHL at the time and you still have very good defensemen on the board. That made no sense.

Poltapov was selected 1st in the 2nd round so you still can get 1st round talent.

There is a very good chance Kisakov, Poltapov and Leinonen will never see the NHL. Adams is garbage.

This is quite the post...let's please not let people call Adams a good drafter since he's the GM and supposed to have a vision for the team. "BPA" is a myth and how you end up like Buffalo.

 

[Ehran]

I could see how Spittin Chiclets came to their conclusion and to be honest its probably great that they put it out there.

Interesting that Dahlin even met with Adams....Its a logical conclusion.

Dahlin is the team captain. I would bet that part of that position's duties would include meeting with the GM (and also the Coach) to discuss the team on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Selanne00008]

Would Owen Power be a different defenseman if he wasn't making 8.35 million a season? Meaning making him earn the contract. How much can you blame Owen Power for his play and not for the way this clown franchise handles their young players handing them 8 million dollars? This is Owen Power's 3rd season and Kevyn Adams hasn't done anything to get a vetaran partner for Owen Power.

The problem is its a clown franchise so how much can you blame Power for being Power and how much is it the way this organization handles Owen Power?
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How did that work out for how we handled Reinhart?

 

[toddkaz]

Dahlin is the team captain. I would bet that part of that position's duties would include meeting with the GM (and also the Coach) to discuss the team on a fairly regular basis.

You think other teams captains meat with the GM on a regular basis? Yet it just so happens this is the only one that leaks?

AS many fans point out here that Buffalo is very tight lipped.

Wouldn't those other meetings make it into the news on a regular basis then yet I have seen no such reports and sure it happens from time to time but regularly? Very doubtful.

How did that work out for how we handled Reinhart?

Owen Power was handled the same way as Reinhart? You sure about that? Pretty sure Adams kicked the can down the road a few times with Reinhart where Power was gifted the contract.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Your best player going to the GM and saying, and this is an exact quote:

"I'm not happy where we are at. I don't want to lose. We have to get better"

Is never. Ever. Ever. A good thing. The fact that he feels he HAS to go to the GM and say it is BAD.

There isn't a way to spin this into a non story.

Your best player isn't happy with the way things are going. And he's just confirmed to all of us he isn't happy.

He emphasized he never said the word leave.

The important part here is that your best player isn't happy with how things are going and that things have to change.

There is no refuting that he said that (he repeated it)

And he also said this to the teams GM

He doesn't have to say "Or else I'm leaving". Heck he's under contract for 7 more years.

Tell me a situation where your best player being unhappy with the direction of the team and him telling the GM so directly is good news? Or a non story?

Chris Drury going to Ruff and Regier with players who he didn't think needed to come back. Zhitnik, Satan didn't come back post lockout. Captains talk to the HC and GM. Sometimes they aren't happy.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

My game plan would be to turn over at least 4 of the top-6 on the blue line. Keep Dahlin, keep JBD as a 6/7, and maybe move everyone else.

This is what I'm thinking. They really need some role players on defense.

It's like we're watching Seinfeld and every character is Kramer. Sure, he's arguably the funniest, but he needs the other characters around him to be most effective.

 

[Selanne00008]

Owen Power was handled the same way as Reinhart? You sure about that? Pretty sure Adams kicked the can down the road a few times where Power was gifted the contract.

I could have been more clear. We are on the same page.

What I meant to say was, how did us handling Reainhart work out? meaning, if we wait to long and continue to kick the can down the road, that methodology Also does not work.

You pay a guy too eary 8M a season and it's also not working out.

Nothing works out in Sabre land...

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's not news. It's Biz exaggerating bullshit to drive views and clicks.

Why are you the only one who can decide what news is real and what is fake?

Buffalo fans are hilarious...never have I seen people (outside of a cult) trash the media EVERY SINGLE TIME you hear something you don't like.

This whole board swore that the Mitts rumors were fake news too. The media all hates Buffalo and makes up stories so they can get rich with those valuable clicks.

The implied part is people who want to create news (which isn't), or create drama (which doesn't exist).

I can imply that Dahlin said "get better or trade everyone around me." Or "get better or I'm going to the owner saying you needs to go." Or "get better or I'm breaking my contract and going back to Sweden to play in the SHL."

None of that is true.

Why do you get to decide which news is real and which is fake, and why do you always claim with certainly that any negative news about the Sabres is fake?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Jesus Christ Dahlin says this after almost every loss. This isn't surprising to those who follow this team.

Biz took 2 publicly available pieces of information..

1. That Adams met with Dahlin in the past week.

2. That Dahlin is not happy with losing.

And turned that into that Dahlin told Adams that if things don't change he is going to leave.

Which Dahlin emphatically denied and said he thought he made himself crystal clear of that. Dahlin even refutes your implied interpretation

Do you believe politicians too, based on nothing but their word?