The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Irie]

I disagree with this philosophy. You can still strike out even if you don't take any swings. And Adams has struck out. There are no walks in this analogy for Adams to try to fall back on by not taking any swings.

I think Adams is giving Milbury a run for his money. Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark and Montour is an impressive group of players to trade away or otherwise lose. And these players have already had more immediate success than the big names that Milbury traded away like Chara, Spezza or Luongo.

The Islanders even made the playoffs in Milbury's 4th, 5th and 6th seasons as full time GM.

So you are telling me that you would rather have a GM come in and Milbury this roster than stay on the present course? That seems like desperation talking. This roster is not that bad. It is coached poorly and absolutely built wrong for a Ruff game plan, but it is also the youngest team in the league and there are a lot of paths forward that I believe can still lead to a very competitive roster without a complete overhaul.

But back to the philosophy in question, which is that bad trades are worse than no trades. If a trade is better than a no-trade, then isn't it a good trade just by definition alone? A bad trade by nature is always worse than a no-trade, so there shouldn't be any real world scenario where a bad trade is good.

Bad value trades may happen for team needs and they can still be good trades that improve a team. 40 goal scorer and former first overall pick Owen Nolan for Sandis Ozolinsh was a terrible value trade, but all in all, a good trade for Colorado.

 

[Der Jaeger]

This creates a trade tree that looks like a family tree in rural Alabama.

Rural Alabama objects to being tied to the Sabres in any way. Roll Tide!

(I’m no Crimson Tide fan but it flowed)

 

[Jim Bob]

Quality core players can be moved at any time. Top 4D move all the time, especially in the lead up to the TDL, Rantanen was just moved, JT Miller was just moved. Quality, substantial moves can be made at any time, and the longer Adams waits to begin making them, the longer we will wallow in the drought.

I think you're saying that with the cap going up there will be fewer cap casualties available to pick up? I agree with that.

But it's not like we took advantage of any cap casualties during the last 5 years, during the crunch of the flat covid cap... while we lead the league in cap space.

Rantanan is a pending UFA. So, he is not what I would call a core player as the team acquiring him has no control over where he plays in 2025-26 and beyond.

And the JT Miller situation is unique in that there was a lot of toxicity in the Vancouver locker room. You don't see that with a bunch of teams throughout the league and with guys that would help here.

Yeah, they haven't taken advantage of their cap situation in the past and fewer teams will need to move core guys due to cap constraints with the cap going up significantly in the next few years.

I mean...I would think the past few years have been pretty Terry lite, especially while his wife was doing worse than she is now. Maybe its ramped up more recently.

Either way, it pales in comparison to his involvement when he first bought the team.

I'd say he's probably still one of the more involved owners in the league.

Just because Terry hasn't been talking to media a lot lately doesn't mean that he hasn't been in the building and talking to the GM and his staff has much as in the past. A lot of that stuff is the behind the scenes stuff that fans and media have zero insight into.

 

[Fjordsen]

Yesterday I saw some rumors that Adams is interested in Kesselring.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Yesterday I saw some rumors that Adams is interested in Kesselring.

I'm on the Cozens + for Crouse-Kesselring train.

 

[truthbluth]

Yesterday I saw some rumors that Adams is interested in Kesselring.

It wasn't a rumor. It was speculation by Matthew Fairburn, but the it was almost definitely from a mailbag question written by an hfboards member. So this is circular.