The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

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Because he wasn't good at it! He is great at shutting down rushes, he is a strong forechecker, he is good at taking the body, all the things that are easy to see... He is not good at reading the play and he gets up ice too early leaving the D outnumbered down low (wrong side of the check/puck as they say). [/B]McDavid had one bad game against the Sabres over the last three seasons and Tage was the matchup.

You may not agree with it but the argument is Cozens wouldn’t be doing those things in a defensive role. Or at least not as often. The shift in focus and simplification of what was asked of him would go a long way with this. The flip side of that is I don’t see another 30+g 60+pt season again. I don’t think he has the ability to produce that kind of offense playing in that role.

I doubt how good or bad he was had anything to do with Granato not continuing with him there. That had to do with Granato not using a direct matchup line. So he wasn’t gonna bother developing anybody in that role. In his mind those games were a mental break for Cozens. There were plenty of young players, struggling or in over their heads in a variety of uses in those development years. None of them got moved because of it.
 
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If Zucker really wants to be here, and isn’t expecting a contract based solely on this year’s performance, sure. I’d still trade him at the deadline and tell him to hire a house sitter for a few months
I think it will be a mistake, it will be difficult to replace him in all senses and you never know what will happen next, maybe the opponent will want to re-sign him, where we traded him and he will like it there or someone in UFA will offer him a good contract. It is quite rare for guys to come back after a trade, especially since we are Buffalo, losers, for whom it is already difficult to sign players. I would just re-sign him now and not think about it, we can't take the risk over and over again and lose every year.

Zucker has been playing like he wants out of Buffalo in a contract year. And if he does want to stay, I'd question his commitment to winning 🤣
Or he's just a guy who doesn't like to move and has a difficult family situation, maybe he just wants to settle down where he feels good.
 
Because he wasn't good at it! He is great at shutting down rushes, he is a strong forechecker, he is good at taking the body, all the things that are easy to see... He is not good at reading the play and he gets up ice too early leaving the D outnumbered down low (wrong side of the check/puck as they say). McDavid had one bad game against the Sabres over the last three seasons and Tage was the matchup.
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You may not agree with it but the argument is Cozens wouldn’t be doing those things in a defensive role. Or at least not as often. The shift in focus and simplification of what was asked of him would go a long way with this. The flip side of that is I don’t see another 30+g 60+pt season again. I don’t think he has the ability to produce that kind of offense playing in that role.

I doubt how good or bad he was had anything to do with Granato not continuing with him there. That had to do with Granato not using a direct matchup line. So he wasn’t gonna bother developing anybody in that role. In his mind those games were a mental break for Cozens. There were plenty of young players, struggling or in over their heads in a variety of uses in those development years. None of them got moved because of it.
Didn't you post something where it showed how well Cozens did in those defensively focused deployments?
 
I think it will be a mistake, it will be difficult to replace him in all senses and you never know what will happen next, maybe the opponent will want to re-sign him, where we traded him and he will like it there or someone in UFA will offer him a good contract. It is quite rare for guys to come back after a trade, especially since we are Buffalo, losers, for whom it is already difficult to sign players. I would just re-sign him now and not think about it, we can't take the risk over and over again and lose every year.


Or he's just a guy who doesn't like to move and has a difficult family situation, maybe he just wants to settle down where he feels good.
I mean, if he’d rather go elsewhere, so be it. The situation I’m referring to is one where he states wanting to be here long term as his preference. If that’s so, do us a solid

I agree that the team needs to have veterans that play the right way, but they also shouldn’t be drawn in too much by a contract year performance from an aging player. To me, he’s specifically a player I’d like, not a player they need
 
If you want to keep zucker here, you re-sign him. We have basically no need for more draft picks. We need players that can contribute now. No more sitting, waiting and wishing. This mindset killed this franchise.
Or you can trade him away for assets and if he wants to come back resign him. If you trade Zucker for a 2nd you are allowed to trade that 2nd away for a player or package the pick.

You ask him what he wants. Zucker is not going to be able to perform over an 82 game schedule like he previously has as he gets older and we have many forward prospects.
 
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I mean, if he’d rather go elsewhere, so be it. The situation I’m referring to is one where he states wanting to be here long term as his preference. If that’s so, do us a solid

I agree that the team needs to have veterans that play the right way, but they also shouldn’t be drawn in too much by a contract year performance from an aging player. To me, he’s specifically a player I’d like, not a player they need
Well yeah, if he's willing to sign a 1-2 year extension now that makes a lot of sense to me. If he can't figure it out before TDL, trade him.
 
Imagine yourself two years ago in turmoil about whether or not to resigning Jason effing Zucker lol.

With Zucker, in the end it doesn't really matter.

Adding more. draft picks to get more prospects doesn't really matter at this point. If Adams gets a second round pick, what's he going to do with it? Get us another Malenstyn? Draft another undersized forward?

It also doesn't make sense to give an injury prone vet an over market multi year deal just to he stays.

In an absolute vacuum, I think the proper move is to move on from him and use the assets to improve the team next year.

But...the reality is nothing matters until we have a competent front office.
 
I really don’t see the logic in rooting for wins at this point - playoffs are completely out of reach and winning during the final stretch (again) will only encourage Terry to have another do-nothing offseason.

I’m not rooting to tank for draft picks but instead losing for change. Change has to happen and the only way I see that happening is to embarrass Terry….which may ultimately be impossible
 
With Zucker, in the end it doesn't really matter.

Adding more. draft picks to get more prospects doesn't really matter at this point. If Adams gets a second round pick, what's he going to do with it? Get us another Malenstyn? Draft another undersized forward?

It also doesn't make sense to give an injury prone vet an over market multi year deal just to he stays.

In an absolute vacuum, I think the proper move is to move on from him and use the assets to improve the team next year.

But...the reality is nothing matters until we have a competent front office.
If Zucker won't extend, definitely move him at the TDL. More picks seems useless on the surface, but more picks will always be valuable assets to trade at the draft.

Not saying Adams will trade picks for help, but he should, and collecting assets for ammo is the correct move in that scenario.
 
11. With all of the noise around the Penguins, I believe they have interest in some of Buffalo’s younger, NHL-ready prospects. It fits what they want.

Only Sabres related tidbit from Friedman
Karlsson is the only asset they have (besides the two they aren't ever trading) that would make any sense from a roster standpoint.
 
11. With all of the noise around the Penguins, I believe they have interest in some of Buffalo’s younger, NHL-ready prospects. It fits what they want.

Only Sabres related tidbit from Friedman
Definitely not a good trading partner. I like Rakell and Pettersson (but he's a rental, which makes almost no sense).

Karlsson is the only asset they have (besides the two they aren't ever trading) that would make any sense from a roster standpoint.
Well, Karlsson definitely doesn't make sense for us. Another thing is Pettersson - Dahlin, the first pair would be interesting and more balanced. Rakell as an experienced top 6 forward, I think, is suitable.
 
Definitely not a good trading partner. I like Rakell and Pettersson (but he's a rental, which makes almost no sense).


Well, Karlsson definitely doesn't make sense for us. Another thing is Pettersson - Dahlin, the first pair would be interesting and more balanced. Rakell as an experienced top 6 forward, I think, is suitable.
I had heard someone recently say watch Drew O'Connor, maybe this is it ?
 
Definitely not a good trading partner. I like Rakell and Pettersson (but he's a rental, which makes almost no sense).


Well, Karlsson definitely doesn't make sense for us. Another thing is Pettersson - Dahlin, the first pair would be interesting and more balanced. Rakell as an experienced top 6 forward, I think, is suitable.
I don't think so either but him being a RHD would at least make some bit of sense but really he isn't a fit. This feels like either EF filling out a column with nonsense or him being manipulated by the Pens FO to wish something into existence.
 
I had heard someone recently say watch Drew O'Connor, maybe this is it ?
Maybe, but I know almost nothing about this player.
I don't think so either but him being a RHD would at least make some bit of sense but really he isn't a fit. This feels like either EF filling out a column with nonsense or him being manipulated by the Pens FO to wish something into existence.
Well, Pettersson is a much better fit in terms of player type than any of Pittsburgh's RDs, we obviously don't need another PMD (offensive D). We also know Dahlin is comfortable at RD. Adding Pettersson could open the door to trading Byram or Power for other positions we need.

Pettersson - Dahlin
Power/Byram - RD DFD

Playing defense, playing at PK, experience. All of this is what we lack, imo.
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Maybe, but I know almost nothing about this player.

Well, Pettersson is a much better fit in terms of player type than any of Pittsburgh's RDs, we obviously don't need another PMD (offensive D). We also know Dahlin is comfortable at RD. Adding Pettersson could open the door to trading Byram or Power for other positions we need.

Pettersson - Dahlin
Power/Byram - RD DFD

Playing defense, playing at PK, experience. All of this is what we lack, imo.
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Unfortunately he's a UFA so it would be beyond stupid to trade for him.
 
No, well of course I meant he would sign new contract straight away, not for a rental. I was also interested in Rakell, so it's not just a deal for Pettersson.
You don't think Rakell will hit the cliff here soon? He is 31.
 
You don't think Rakell will hit the cliff here soon? He is 31.
Who knows, depends on his style of play and health, Zucker is even older and is having his best season in years. Sure, I'd probably prefer to add a younger top 6 forward, but those guys are either unavailable or more expensive. Not that Rakell has Skinner's contract or anything. Just saying those are two guys I'd be interested in from Pittsburgh, and overall they just don't seem like good trade partners.
 
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If Zucker won't extend, definitely move him at the TDL. More picks seems useless on the surface, but more picks will always be valuable assets to trade at the draft.

Not saying Adams will trade picks for help, but he should, and collecting assets for ammo is the correct move in that scenario.
I mean, he has definitely been a bright spot for the team (and one of the very few). Even if he wants to extend, is he worth $5M+ on a multi-year extension ($s and term matter on this point)? If he wants less/fewer, I would consider it, but otherwise move along and get the assets (mind you there is a locker room argument to be made... if he has a positive influence on others, maybe he becomes worth it).

On a good team, he is not getting PP time, at least not significant PP time (he has 6 goals and 20 points at 5v5). He is more akin to Greenway (when his shooting comes back to career average and the PP time goes away) than he is to Alex Tuch, who his stats mirror more closely.

The team does need veterans, he was a good signing and you have cap space, I would advocate for a 1yr deal, otherwise, you have to look at the alternatives.
 

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