jc17
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The 2024-2025 Roster Thread
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Feels like they're already short on center options and moving Cozens as a part of a deal without it being for something better leaves them even worse off in that regard. This is Ennis-Hodgson level of thin in the middle. F. F. F.
Not that Cozens is a good center, McLeod looks better in the top 6 with the better teammates, imo. But a deal for Pettersson makes a lot more sense than Detroit.
I don't think either are particularly great. McLeod is an okay option as a transition player who gets pucks out of his own zone with his skating. The offense has been and remains spotty. Ironically, when Cozens started to solidify his role in the NHL, there were some similarities - he was doing a lot of zone to zone transitioning and was high on entries. Now? Nope.
Well I don't see McLeod as our 2C on a permanent basis, but right now he plays decently with the same Tuck on the second line, a temporary stopgap, but ideally he is our good 3C. The problem is that Cozens is worse than McLeod in some aspects and he has the same number of points, although he played more and had a lot of PP, unlike Ryan.
Honestly rebuild it trade em all none of them are professional athletes or take their job seriously
Doug Prishpreed
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If they don’t view Cozens as a C, and the deal is for Compher and Kaspar, doesn’t that improve center depth? Arguably by 2?
He gives them a prospect and somebody who’s performing at a similar to lower level. They seem to be stocking the shelves with 3C guys, not sure about adding a future one and a current one.
Doug Prishpreed
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Still, to your original point - you said Buffalo is lacking center depth, and this theoretical deal adds center depth. Ennis and Hodgson is MUCH different than Tage, Compher, McLeod, Krebs, and Kulich, with both Kaspar and Ostlund knocking on the door soon.
Swapping Cozens out for Compher shifts the focus from 2nd line to 3rd line, but Cozens isn’t reliable as a 2nd line anyway.
Not that I want to do the deal…I definitely do not. I just don’t think center depth is among the top 5 issues rn.
It is again having no quality 2C option, even if Cozens has not been good in the 2C role. Unless they think Helenius is that guy and I’m not sure I put my hopes on an 18 y.o. right now.
Is Kasper better than Helenius or Ostlund? I still don’t see it, though I say that a lot about what they do…
Zman5778
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Before the 13 game losing streak: 11-9-1
13 game losing streak: 0-10-3
After the 13 game losing streak: 5-2-1
Talk about inconsistent. This screams "young team".....even if this team is young age-wise but not GP-wise.
13 game losing streak: 0-10-3
After the 13 game losing streak: 5-2-1
Talk about inconsistent. This screams "young team".....even if this team is young age-wise but not GP-wise.
Deep Blue Metallic
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No, just no.
2-3 capable veteran leaders in the roster weak spots we discuss endlessly and the Sabres become a much better team.
As for having a GM who can accomplish that, well ...
Indeed. It also screams "no Dahlin".
joshjull
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Interesting points on Baker/Fairburn pod about Cozens recent good play. Crediting some of it to him getting time between Zucker/Tage. That its one of the few times he’s played with both wingers having more experience than he does. Also that the team should stop going on about his leadership ability and just let him work out his game.
It’s theme with this team where kids have little to no support from vets. Nothing new there as a topic, just another example.
It’s theme with this team where kids have little to no support from vets. Nothing new there as a topic, just another example.
Djp
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He traded Eichel, Risto, and Reinhart before and last year he traded Mitts.
He’s not making dumb trades of Cozens for magic beans.
We actually agree here…
MarkusKetterer
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16-11-2, while not great, would be a record that would put them into contention for a playoff spot (assuming they’d play at that same pace). Yet we know in that record, they lost games they had the lead in.
That 0-10-3 record though… oof. Even a couple of points there would look better (eg. 0-8-5 or 0-9-4)
I think it was always Kasper that Adams asked for in return. I said back when the rumor first broke.
Kasper was a prospect Adams coveted, and Cozens for Kasper saves Terry money. It's a formula that this organization runs on.
Adams should give up a lot to pry Pettersson out of Vancouver but the chances of Pegula authorizing Adams to acquire a player demanding 11.6M of his money is feeling very very slim.
Well they also said that trading Power makes a lot of sense.
Cozens should be available for Pettersson too if they ask for him. But there's no point in selling him cheap to Detroit or anywhere else.
ValJamesDuex
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you might want to check in on the Av's board about Mitt's currently, just sayin'
But we have seen he is capable of transitioning the puck that way. I can almost guarantee that right now he is over thinking everything and he isn't reacting, he is processing and then deciding, and his decision making is behind the play.
When Cozens was playing on reaction we saw him processing the game at NHL speed, but he was being coached by Granato who had him ignoring the oppositions positions on the ice, so he was only processing half the ice Right now he is trying to track every player, both his teammates and his opponents, all while trying to remember where Ruff wants him to be when certain opponents are in certain areas.
I do believe that the tracking and reading the ice will eventually start to click and become instinctual for him, and then he will be able to just react again and really play center - but, it may not,
and he will always be processing a step behind the play, in which case he'll have to move to wing. i(Ths is where I think having a position heavy systems coach could absolutely benefit him).
So the question now becomes, how long can the Sabres realistically wait on him to see if he will come around?
Krieger Bot
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You see it happen all the time. A team gets into a funk mentally and plays below their talent level. The most famous example probably being the Blues before hiring Berube during their Cup season.
That's not an excuse mind you. Having the mental fortitude to make it through tough stretches without having them "snowball" is a critical skill for a hockey team, and it's one the Sabres are lacking. But I just don't think this team is as actually bad as its record on paper.
The Blues had a lot of vets and a tough coach, Berube, but there were a lot of things that went together for them to win the cup. We have a very young team, the players will be unstable from time to time, as will the results, the defense is not built correctly, there are not enough good vets, only Zucker.
Krieger Bot
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I don't disagree. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they'll win the Cup or anything. I was just using the Blues as an example of a team that underperformed.
To come at it a bit differently, what I'm really saying is that I think they have a better roster than, say, Detroit, even if they're not ahead of them in the standings right now. But they crumbled mentally for a stretch, which has dug them a huge hole.
toddkaz
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No interest in trading Cozens to Detroit. The best player needs to be coming back and I dont see that in trading with Detroit. No way they trade Larkin, Seider or Edvinsson.
Its pretty much EP40 in a Cozens trade is what I have my hopes pinned on but I don't think Vancouver trades him.
Its pretty much EP40 in a Cozens trade is what I have my hopes pinned on but I don't think Vancouver trades him.
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Just got finished listening to this one, and I really enjoyed it. Both of their viewpoints sum up my opinions on Cozens in a way that I haven't been able to quite verbalize as eloquently.
I also agree with their thoughts on Power and Byram, but I've stated that viewpoint here many times (i.e. Byram is showing good things, keep/extend him, Power is redundant and becomes your best trade chip).
I really appreciate the points about how much many of the kids needed vet insolation, but honestly almost everyone bought into the kid plan, so it's a bit of a hindsight is 20/20 point. however, while I liked how it started with this group, at some point last year Adams should have seen the need to pivot and bring in a another good vet complimentary player or two (hello RHD and top 6 rugged player older than 26).
