Fjordy
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That's my point, did I write it differently? Probably lost in translate again or something like that.
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At this point Thompson is about equal value even worth more due to contracts wouldn't swap him 1 for 1I doubt Vancouver wants to add that much cap in a Pettersson trade.
I also wonder if they would be interested in Cozens. They might ask for Thompson as the center piece to a Pettersson trade.
toddkaz
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Would people trade Power straight up for Elias Pettersson?
Mattilaus
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This people would, yes.
My Cozen Dylan
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I wouldn't trade power for pettersson he is finally showing what he is capable off this season and as a d-man he has a steeper learning curve the way he can move around the ice and transport the puck is very valuable and it leaves a huge hole at 3d and leaves us with only two capable pmd the other dmen we have are bottom pair quality which is useful to have but Sammy and Clifton are top 6 and a guy like Bryson is a 7 and Jokiharju could play top 4 minutes but only plays good with dahlin I know its not working but all 3 of our quality d have not been a problem and the idea that we have one to many good d-men is foolish especially when we don't have any other players capable of playing those minutes. If we switch power for EP what d man will be available for cozens to replace power? We would be creating a huge hole for a situation we have already resolved. Teams only trade from a place of strength because they already have a replacement readily available, our top 3d are great but the rest is meh we don't have anyone ready in the pipeline to play top 4 minutes and Excell we will go back to getting shelled in our own zone constantly without being able to get the puck out rendering the forwards who are producing useless the problem stems from the mid six not knowing where to go to support eachother, we get the zone and try to wing it and the lanes get closed off to quick and the puck ends up somewhere along the boards where no one is and can't even compete in the 5050 puck races while I feel it's unfair to put it on cozens because he does have 30 goal two way power center but the inexperience is working against him and his line, he needs more vet wingers with more experience to play with him while the wingers need a more experienced center to dictate play for them and instead of finding two top six vet wingers for cozens we could make him and our first apart of package for pettersson since he seems to be available his cerebral game and high iq will allow him to adapt to our wingers. I believe cozens is a great player but if people are clamoring for EP40 he has to be the guy even though he is so good in all areas of the game just hasn't put it together quite yet and am sure he will end up being that 30g 30a matchup center as him and the other young forwards emerge but impatience from the 13 year drought is making us fans antsy and angry and rightfully so but taking a step back from the Fandom what can you expect it's hard to fully blame the players or management it's just a bad situation nobody is trading us the pieces we need without a massive overpayment which makes zero sense considering where we are in the standings and expecting the majority of our young core to step in and compete with their more experienced counterparts is a huge ask and unrealistic expectation, quinn missed a whole year, benson is only 19, cozens is expected to drive offense and be a matchup guy, and jjp is good but is streaky as a player which is what you expect from a young scoring winger unfortunatley with our lack of talented depth it's hard to justify demoting him below the top 6 which is needed in order to have him focus on refining his other skills needed to be more consistent I however see Kyle Connor/ehlers in him and think he can by a dynamic force.
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Yes, but I have a feeling Vancouver would want Byrum, just a hunch
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The Sabres should put in a waiver claim on Arthur Kaliyev
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I would give one of Power, Byram or Cozens as the main piece for Pettersson. The rest can be picks and prospects.
To only lose one player on the roster would be great.
Very very close but no I don’t think I would. I don’t think Byram can drive a pairing offensively himself the way Power can.
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I have to know how negotiations are going with Byram first. If he isn’t interested in signing long term…then no. I’m trading Byram.
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That’s a good point but I’m open to moving Power. He’s just not it from a “has it” DNA standpoint. He soft and that’s not going to change in front of the net or in the corners winning puck battles.
Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
Well, for me it wouldn't be a problem, especially depending on who you get at RD. And we'll need to add two of them. Byram can move the puck and play defense better than Power, he's a more versatile player. There are RDs who can play defense and show some offense. Especially since we have Dahlin in first pair. But as already mentioned above, it would be good to first find out Byram’s plans for extending contract.
Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
Posted a proposal on the main boards and several Canucks fans seemed to agree with it, well there with adjustments.
Cozens
Byram
Greenway (Canucks seemed to be interested in him and Tocchet likes him)
Rosen
for
Pettersson
Hoglander
Raty/Karlsson/Aman/Brannstrom/Juulsen (probably one of them to choose from)
Well I would do it.
Cozens
Byram
Greenway (Canucks seemed to be interested in him and Tocchet likes him)
Rosen
for
Pettersson
Hoglander
Raty/Karlsson/Aman/Brannstrom/Juulsen (probably one of them to choose from)
Well I would do it.
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Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
Well we'll get defenseman in another deal. Prospect swap? Do you care about that in a deal like that? The target is to get 1C and if we get Ratiy instead of Rosen, for example, for me no problem, so be it, they're almost the same age, but Raty seems like a center and has size and decent stats in the AHL too. Neither of them have cracked the NHL full-time yet. I can easily do that. And I also liked Hoglander's highlights, the guy goes to the net and his goals are mostly skillful presence near the net.
My Cozen Dylan
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Literally every Canuck fan trade proposal includes Hoglander. He’s like our Jokiharju. I think last year was more likely an outlier for him than indicative of his talent.
Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
And this is not their proposal, this is my proposal, we probably could not take him. Although, as I already said, I liked his game in front of the net.
No.
I think Elias is a cap dump,
Think sabres should look else for someone else . If so: Cozens + for Elias.
But not 4 pieces
Rather trade of players this season and looking to pick top 4 this summer . Then go all in this summer instead for next season
Dude is a PPG good defensive 1C. Worth every penny, and only 4m more than Cozens.
Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
Then Dahlin and Power is also a cap dump, well, according to your logic.
A few thoughts on the discussion here:
Before you decide anything on Power, you need to know what Byram wants to do. I think its a very real possibility he may not want to sign here this summer.
I think at this point EVERY option needs to be on the board for the hopefully new GM....but I think the big lesson learned from this GM is you don't move out prime aged proven talent just because they don't like losing. You make it so you they aren't losing and are happy.
And you certainly don't JUST move it out for futures and cap savings.
Before you decide anything on Power, you need to know what Byram wants to do. I think its a very real possibility he may not want to sign here this summer.
I think at this point EVERY option needs to be on the board for the hopefully new GM....but I think the big lesson learned from this GM is you don't move out prime aged proven talent just because they don't like losing. You make it so you they aren't losing and are happy.
And you certainly don't JUST move it out for futures and cap savings.
Fjordy
リスクを取らなければ未来は創れない
Adams should already know what Byram wants, especially since according to rumors he has been negotiating with the Canucks for three weeks, it is unlikely that we are talking about Desharnais or Hoglander.
GrierIsGod123
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I think Byram will be the move ... I just can't see how he'll want to sign here long-term. It certainly won't be for any sort of reasonable cap number and will likely end up being a cap hit too large for someone that relies on playing with Dahlin so heavily.
I like him a lot but he's really a second pairing guy, outside of being able to competently play with our top 5 guy in the league. Dahlin literally makes Jokiharju an okay player, which we know that he's not. While I'd much prefer the trade to be Cozens & Samuelsson for Pettersson, the Canucks have to be smarter than that.
