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TheMistyStranger said:
Arthur Kaliyev on waivers is interesting. He's a little easy to play against, but maybe a change of scenery leads to big things, and he's got good offensive instincts. Claim him and move out two forwards in a Big trade.
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Claiming a guy like that just seems like the perfect example of a no risk/potential high reward move that a smart organization makes.
 
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TheMistyStranger said:
Arthur Kaliyev on waivers is interesting. He's a little easy to play against, but maybe a change of scenery leads to big things, and he's got good offensive instincts. Claim him and move out two forwards in a Big trade.
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The decision is inside this room, what the hell Kaliyev. Terry knows better. :sarcasm:

Although he does seem like an odd addition considering all our forwards.
 
Ace said:
I have a hard time understanding how anyone could be against a massive move like this in year 14 of a drought. What’s the alternate plan? Keep waiting on kids to bail us out? Keep reconfiguring the 4th line?

They need more than one massive shakeup.

And it’s not costing you the pie in the sky what if they all hit their potential that people think it is. They ain’t hitting it here. Not by waiting on kids and reconfiguring the fourth line. Ever. That’s why there needs to be a massive overhaul.

Plus it would be funny if Adams finally got a partner for Power by trading him to another team who won’t be a clown show.
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It would finally seem to get him paired up with Tyler Myers. Granted part of the reason for the idea of moving a left-handed puck mover to Vancouver is their defense is a mess right now.
 
TheMistyStranger said:
Arthur Kaliyev on waivers is interesting. He's a little easy to play against, but maybe a change of scenery leads to big things, and he's got good offensive instincts. Claim him and move out two forwards in a Big trade.
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I don't know if he moves the needle a lot, but I would think he moves the floor.
Kaliyev is a shooter, maybe he can at worst help the PP is he can be slotted properly.
 
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MOGlLNY said:
Kaliyev is Olofsson - awful pickup.
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How many more wins would the Sabres have if their power play was 10th ranked? The claim would be conditional on an actual trade as well. Quick way to reshape the team. AK on waivers made me think of Pominville on waivers. I'd be floored if AK didn't carve out a successful NHL career, and a change of scenery could help with any potential attitude issues. That part is the same conversation we're having about Petterson.
 
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Chainshot said:
I'm curious if they were to deal a LH PMD as the primary piece and retain the C's they have now, who of Cozens or Thompson slides to the wing. I'm sort of wondering what Thompson would be like on EP's RW. The recent bought of use with Cozens and Thompson together again is interesting at least to see how that functions - can one do the job the other is bad at while allowing both to succee
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At this point I'd be willing to entertain any of those hypotheticals if it meant management acknowledging this current roster construction is a failure.

Mostly numb to the idea of Thompson and Cozens together although I can see the entertainment value of having a Dumb and Dumber line. Tage as Lloyd Christmas?
 
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TheMistyStranger said:
How many more wins would the Sabres have if their power play was 10th ranked? The claim would be conditional on an actual trade as well. Quick way to reshape the team. AK on waivers made me think of Pominville on waivers. I'd be floored if AK didn't carve out a successful NHL career, and a change of scenery could help with any potential attitude issues. That part is the same conversation we're having about Petterson.
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It's literally a no risk move: if he's awful you gave up nothing, if he hits you got something for nothing.
 
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OkimLom said:
Acquiring a player that is good at playing defense and offense can only take you so far. Getting a player that can lead others to be willing to play good offense and defense gets you further. EP doesn’t show that sort of impact. I like him a lot of what sort of player he is but he’s not what the team needs, and I’d be willing to bet he falls in line like every other player we seem to target and value highly.
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I’ve really cut down on hockey watching the past two season - especially this year - so I see EP play very rarely lately. But isn’t he solid defensively?

His problem defensively may be the same as Mcleod’s - he’s positional sound but isn’t winning 50/50 puck battles, which is already a huge issue on the team. We wants other guys to do the dirty work - which is usually okay when you’re that good with the puck.

I’d still give up a lot for him and continue to work on teaching these prima donna first rounders how to win puck battles and maintain possession of the puck, which they literally aren’t able to do at all.

Chainshot said:
I'm curious if they were to deal a LH PMD as the primary piece and retain the C's they have now, who of Cozens or Thompson slides to the wing. I'm sort of wondering what Thompson would be like on EP's RW. The recent bought of use with Cozens and Thompson together again is interesting at least to see how that functions - can one do the job the other is bad at while allowing both to succeed?
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It depends on who the coach is - I bet there would be different choices under different coaches.

Personally, it seems like Cozens is better suited for wing but I’m sure there are great arguments for the opposite.
 
TheMistyStranger said:
How many more wins would the Sabres have if their power play was 10th ranked? The claim would be conditional on an actual trade as well. Quick way to reshape the team. AK on waivers made me think of Pominville on waivers. I'd be floored if AK didn't carve out a successful NHL career, and a change of scenery could help with any potential attitude issues. That part is the same conversation we're having about Petterson.
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I watch the Kings a lot. Kaliyev is brutal. This would be the worst spot for him to come. Maybe if a team with structure, responsibility and support he would get saved. We don’t have any of that.

Doug Prishpreed said:
I’ve really cut down on hockey watching the past two season - especially this year - so I see EP play very rarely lately. But isn’t he solid defensively?

His problem defensively may be the same as Mcleod’s - he’s positional sound but isn’t winning 50/50 puck battles, which is already a huge issue on the team. We wants other guys to do the dirty work - which is usually okay when you’re that good with the puck.

I’d still give up a lot for him and continue to work on teaching these prima donna first rounders how to win puck battles and maintain possession of the puck, which they literally aren’t able to do at all.


It depends on who the coach is - I bet there would be different choices under different coaches.

Personally, it seems like Cozens is better suited for wing but I’m sure there are great arguments for the opposite.
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EP is a good defensive player. Not excellent but definitely better than any player we have
 
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TheMistyStranger said:
How many more wins would the Sabres have if their power play was 10th ranked? The claim would be conditional on an actual trade as well. Quick way to reshape the team. AK on waivers made me think of Pominville on waivers. I'd be floored if AK didn't carve out a successful NHL career, and a change of scenery could help with any potential attitude issues. That part is the same conversation we're having about Petterson.
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The Sabres PP doesn't suck because we lack shooters... it sucks because we lack creators and possession players in the forward ranks and a lackluster coaching staff running the PP.

Picking up this guy is a waste of time and just gives the perception that they are doing something instead of actually fixing the roster.

Its more kicking the can down the road.
 
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Zman5778 said:
I still think McLeod is a better defensive forward than EP40. Maybe Greenway too.

But EP40 would be the best defensive forward in our top 6 by leaps and bounds.
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Well, McLeod isn't nearly as good as he was with the Oilers right now. EP did finish 7th in the Selke voting not long ago, ahead of guys like Barkov and Eriksson EK for example.
 
Fjordy said:
Well, McLeod isn't nearly as good as he was with the Oilers right now. EP did finish 7th in the Selke voting not long ago, ahead of guys like Barkov and Eriksson EK for example.
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The Selke anymore is the "best top 6 defensive forward in the NHL that also scores a bunch of points".

I think there's a legitimate argument that Nic Dowd is the best defensive forward in the NHL right now, but since he's a 4th liner that doesn't get points......he won't get the love.

And I think McLeod has been BETTER defensively here than with the Oilers.
 
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TheMistyStranger said:
Arthur Kaliyev on waivers is interesting. He's a little easy to play against, but maybe a change of scenery leads to big things, and he's got good offensive instincts. Claim him and move out two forwards in a Big trade.
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Is he though? He's a shooter lacking footspeed. It's like Vic 2.0.
 
Zman5778 said:
The Selke anymore is the "best top 6 defensive forward in the NHL that also scores a bunch of points".

I think there's a legitimate argument that Nic Dowd is the best defensive forward in the NHL right now, but since he's a 4th liner that doesn't get points......he won't get the love.

And I think McLeod has been BETTER defensively here than with the Oilers.
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Not every guy who scores a lot of points gets Selke votes. I just think Pettersson's two-way game and his defense can be really good, and none of our top 6 forwards can. McLeod's metrics don't seem to be great.
 
Chainshot said:
I guess the questions would be - who in the top 6 is he displacing and then why would Ruff be better at bringing this kid forward than he was with Holtz who bears a strong resemblance to Kaliyev to my eye.
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It's funny that Vegas finds room in the lineup for VO and Holtz and VO even seems to be doing well. It's clear that they have a completely different team, but this is a good indicator for a team that can play with anyone in the lineup when they already have an experienced core and a very good coach.
 
Fjordy said:
It's funny that Vegas finds room in the lineup for VO and Holtz and VO even seems to be doing well. It's clear that they have a completely different team, but this is a good indicator for a team that can play with anyone in the lineup when they already have an experienced core and a very good coach.
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Experience core is not Buffalo. Again, who comes out? That's the basic question. It's all fine to get upset that they don't put in a claim on a forward but what's the other move there? It's not like the first line needs a shooter - that's Thompson's primary job. The 2nd line is a mess - how is a pure shooter going to make that work? How about the third line? That might be the place to try him out if they are going to rock Kulich and Benson with him. That shuffles Krebs down to the 4th line again and pushes Lafferty or NAK back out of the lineup - that's fine with me, Lafferty is not working out.

Again, Kaliyev is more like Holtz who ironically enough on Vegas has a whole 3 goals. Because vet teams require kids to earn their time.
 
Chainshot said:
Experience core is not Buffalo. Again, who comes out? That's the basic question. It's all fine to get upset that they don't put in a claim on a forward but what's the other move there? It's not like the first line needs a shooter - that's Thompson's primary job. The 2nd line is a mess - how is a pure shooter going to make that work? How about the third line? That might be the place to try him out if they are going to rock Kulich and Benson with him. That shuffles Krebs down to the 4th line again and pushes Lafferty or NAK back out of the lineup - that's fine with me, Lafferty is not working out.

Again, Kaliyev is more like Holtz who ironically enough on Vegas has a whole 3 goals. Because vet teams require kids to earn their time.
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No, that's not what I'm talking about, but the fact that a team like Vegas can afford it, but we probably can't.
 
Fjordy said:
No, that's not what I'm talking about, but the fact that a team like Vegas can afford it, but we probably can't.
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Okay, I'm not sure what your point is then. The differences between Vegas and Buffalo regarding roster is vast and it makes it a lot easier for them to absorb an incomplete player with a speciality.
 
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