The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

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I like EP, but I view him in the same light as say a Zegras; while he would bolster our talent level, I feel he doesn’t address what the team needs, and that’s someone that takes control of reins of the team/locker room. I fear EP would become a passenger to the room as to not step on anybody’s toes.
 

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I like EP, but I view him in the same light as say a Zegras; while he would bolster our talent level, I feel he doesn’t address what the team needs, and that’s someone that takes control of reins of the team/locker room. I fear EP would become a passenger to the room as to not step on anybody’s toes.
Those players don't get traded mate, when they do they win a Cup (ie O'Reilly)
 
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I like EP, but I view him in the same light as say a Zegras; while he would bolster our talent level, I feel he doesn’t address what the team needs, and that’s someone that takes control of reins of the team/locker room. I fear EP would become a passenger to the room as to not step on anybody’s toes.
Zegras? I mean, what does the locker room have to do with it if we lack skill in the lineup, experience, playing defense from our forwards and a properly built defense? Pettersson 1C, who is good both in attack and defense. I disagree with you.
 
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I like EP, but I view him in the same light as say a Zegras; while he would bolster our talent level, I feel he doesn’t address what the team needs, and that’s someone that takes control of reins of the team/locker room. I fear EP would become a passenger to the room as to not step on anybody’s toes.
This team doesn't have enough skill. We had a tight locker room when Okposo was here and they cried when they got boo'd

I am 100% on board with Pettersson and I firmly believe with Dahlin and Pettersson together they will lead us out of this mess.

I am willing to pay extra in draft picks and prospects to get Pettersson because he is 26 years old and brings everything this team needs.

The 10 million dollar bonus is a huge stumbling block for Terry(Not me)

Call me Tim Murray when it comes to this trade. Not messing around. Go get him.
 

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Pettersson is going to cost Cozens, Power, and a prospect or high pick. And I'd do it in an instant. Players like him don't become available often.

Not only do you have to beat other teams price but you also have to convince them to trade him instead of Miller. I understand Miller has a NTC but I'm sure they would rather move Miller than Pettersson
 

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Pettersson is going to cost Cozens, Power, and a prospect or high pick. And I'd do it in an instant. Players like him don't become available often.

Not only do you have to beat other teams price but you also have to convince them to trade him instead of Miller. I understand Miller has a NTC but I'm sure they would rather move Miller than Pettersson
I think Cozens + Power/Byram solid basis of the deal, especially if the Canucks like Cozens. Not many teams can beat that in many ways. Because Canucks will be looking for a likely young center and a second-pairing PMD, which I understand are their main needs right now. I like Pettersson a lot, and the fact that he is a good friend of our captain gives me some confidence in that. Also there are no alternatives on the market, there is simply no one close without NMC/NTC at a comparable level to Pettersson. It is an Eichel 2.0 deal, only now we have to be the buyers.
 

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Zegras? I mean, what does the locker room have to do with it if we lack skill in the lineup, experience, playing defense from our forwards and a properly built defense? Pettersson 1C, who is good both in attack and defense. I disagree with you.
Acquiring a player that is good at playing defense and offense can only take you so far. Getting a player that can lead others to be willing to play good offense and defense gets you further. EP doesn’t show that sort of impact. I like him a lot of what sort of player he is but he’s not what the team needs, and I’d be willing to bet he falls in line like every other player we seem to target and value highly.
 

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Pettersson is going to cost Cozens, Power, and a prospect or high pick. And I'd do it in an instant. Players like him don't become available often.

Not only do you have to beat other teams price but you also have to convince them to trade him instead of Miller. I understand Miller has a NTC but I'm sure they would rather move Miller than Pettersson
I would start with Cozens + Top Prospect+ 1st lottery protected. I would rather give up Quinn or JJP if thats what it takes than Power or Byram because they are much harder to replace than a winger.
 

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Pettersson is going to cost Cozens, Power, and a prospect or high pick. And I'd do it in an instant. Players like him don't become available often.

Not only do you have to beat other teams price but you also have to convince them to trade him instead of Miller. I understand Miller has a NTC but I'm sure they would rather move Miller than Pettersson
I doubt Vancouver wants to add that much cap in a Pettersson trade.

:dunno:

I also wonder if they would be interested in Cozens. They might ask for Thompson as the center piece to a Pettersson trade.
 

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This team doesn't have enough skill. We had a tight locker room when Okposo was here and they cried when they got boo'd

I am 100% on board with Pettersson and I firmly believe with Dahlin and Pettersson together they will lead us out of this mess.

I am willing to pay extra in draft picks and prospects to get Pettersson because he is 26 years old and brings everything this team needs.

The 10 million dollar bonus is a huge stumbling block for Terry(Not me)

Call me Tim Murray when it comes to this trade. Not messing around. Go get him.
The locker room showed itself to be tight, but it didn’t show itself to have the drive to do what was necessary. Okposo was a nice guy, nothing he did screams leader.

I think this team has enough talent to it. What is wrong with the team is the mental makeup and the lack of actual leadership on the team.

I’d be more interested right now in getting a guy like Krieder or Pieterangelo for the organization than say acquiring EP. But if I’m trading for him, I’m using Tage as my main piece going the other way. Trading for EP isn’t going to make the Sabres immediate contenders, but it would go a long way in reshaping the top 6 which they desperately need and if were at that point? I’m using as little amount of assets to do so to accomplish that.
 

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Some of the Petterson proposals are more than it'd probably cost, but I'm on board with doing whatever it takes (within reason) to get him.

Players of that caliber, especially number 1 centers, don't become available. It'd be nice to be on the side of trading for an elite number 1 center instead of the ones giving them away.
I agree, I am not on board with trading Byram and Cozens but I would do it if I had to.

The problem with that trade is you just leave a big hole in the defense and this defense already has enough holes in it.

No problem trading non-roster assets. Like how Florida added Reinhart without losing a roster player. I get we will have to lose at least one like Cozens but picks and prospects after that please.

I don't know Vancouver's financial situation but maybe they don't want to add 15-16 million in Cozens and Power/Byram.
 

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The locker room showed itself to be tight, but it didn’t show itself to have the drive to do what was necessary. Okposo was a nice guy, nothing he did screams leader.

I think this team has enough talent to it. What is wrong with the team is the mental makeup and the lack of actual leadership on the team.

I’d be more interested right now in getting a guy like Krieder or Pieterangelo for the organization than say acquiring EP. But if I’m trading for him, I’m using Tage as my main piece going the other way. Trading for EP isn’t going to make the Sabres immediate contenders, but it would go a long way in reshaping the top 6 which they desperately need and if were at that point? I’m using as little amount of assets to do so to accomplish that.
Trading Thompson still leaves us searching for a 2C. Part of the allure of an EP trade is that it allows us to slip Thompson into a role that he's better fitted to and finally give us a competitive center spine. Cozens may turn into a productive top 6 winger, but for me, the ship has sailed on him being a center.
 

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Trading Thompson still leaves us searching for a 2C. Part of the allure of an EP trade is that it allows us to slip Thompson into a role that he's better fitted to and finally give us a competitive center spine. Cozens may turn into a productive top 6 winger, but for me, the ship has sailed on him being a center.

I'm curious if they were to deal a LH PMD as the primary piece and retain the C's they have now, who of Cozens or Thompson slides to the wing. I'm sort of wondering what Thompson would be like on EP's RW. The recent bought of use with Cozens and Thompson together again is interesting at least to see how that functions - can one do the job the other is bad at while allowing both to succeed?
 

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Acquiring a player that is good at playing defense and offense can only take you so far. Getting a player that can lead others to be willing to play good offense and defense gets you further. EP doesn’t show that sort of impact. I like him a lot of what sort of player he is but he’s not what the team needs, and I’d be willing to bet he falls in line like every other player we seem to target and value highly.
I disagree, I'm not sure that's how it works and I don't even know what kind of player he is. Did McDavid or Draisaitl motivate Skinner to play defense? It also depends on the player's ability to play defense, hockey IQ, work ethic and a lot of other things, including coaching. I don't think leadership is the main problem with this team, youth yes, but mostly it's just a poorly built roster and not enough quality. Sure we need some vets like Zucker and we need to cut down on the young guys, but Pettersson is exactly what this team needs right now, a legit 1C with a ton of upside to his game.
 

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I'm curious if they were to deal a LH PMD as the primary piece and retain the C's they have now, who of Cozens or Thompson slides to the wing. I'm sort of wondering what Thompson would be like on EP's RW. The recent bought of use with Cozens and Thompson together again is interesting at least to see how that functions - can one do the job the other is bad at while allowing both to succeed?
Who our 2C this situation? Peterka for Pinto? Cozens for Weegar?
 

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Trading Thompson still leaves us searching for a 2C. Part of the allure of an EP trade is that it allows us to slip Thompson into a role that he's better fitted to and finally give us a competitive center spine. Cozens may turn into a productive top 6 winger, but for me, the ship has sailed on him being a center.
Thompson should be a top 6 winger at best. The Tage at center position experiment hasn’t worked out. He’s fundamentally bad at the position.
 

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Thompson should be a top 6 winger at best. The Tage at center position experiment hasn’t worked out. He’s fundamentally bad at the position.
Of all our forwards in the top 9, the metrics show that Tage was the best at defense, even though he wasn't great at it, and very good at attack, he certainly can't win the FO, but the other forwards were worse at defense.

If they don't deal Cozens or Thompson but use a LH PMD to get EP40, then one of Cozens or Thompson.
Well what I meant was, if Thompson is on EP40's wing, I don't want to see Cozens as our 2C again and we'll still need to get two top 4 RDs after trading Power or Byram, plus add 2C if Tage on wing.
 
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I don't think trading Thompson at this point would be a smart move, he's our best forward and one of the best players on the team along with Dahlin. And he has a pretty good contract. You could try him on the wing or 2C with a lighter load if we get Pettersson, but I think we could definitely use a proven player like him, and overall a vet of the team. I'm much less confident in our other forwards than I am in Tage.
 

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I'm curious if they were to deal a LH PMD as the primary piece and retain the C's they have now, who of Cozens or Thompson slides to the wing. I'm sort of wondering what Thompson would be like on EP's RW. The recent bought of use with Cozens and Thompson together again is interesting at least to see how that functions - can one do the job the other is bad at while allowing both to succeed?

That's an interesting hypothetical. My natural inclination is Cozens center Tage, but Tage with EP could be dynamite. If a trade happened and Lindy had the opportunity to solve the hypothetical, we'd probably see all of those combinations within 5 periods of play anyway.
 

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I have a hard time understanding how anyone could be against a massive move like this in year 14 of a drought. What’s the alternate plan? Keep waiting on kids to bail us out? Keep reconfiguring the 4th line?

They need more than one massive shakeup.

And it’s not costing you the pie in the sky what if they all hit their potential that people think it is. They ain’t hitting it here. Not by waiting on kids and reconfiguring the fourth line. Ever. That’s why there needs to be a massive overhaul.

Plus it would be funny if Adams finally got a partner for Power by trading him to another team who won’t be a clown show.
 

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