The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Beerz]

The challenge is whether he would he find it again here? With the way things are going, I don't know that you could count on that.

I can find challenges and questions with every move we make.

End of the day ..this team lacks a #1 Center... they are pretty much impossible to find especially in our position with NMCs. When an EP40 becomes available.. hemming and hawing about i wonder if he will be vocal enough or just go with the flow sounds stupid.

There are risks in every move.
Risks need to be taken.

 

[Jim Bob]

How is he similar to Skinner? He plays a two-way game and plays defense, he's really good at that. Maybe he cringes because of Miller's offense, but we don't have Miller, we have his friend Dahlin, we have a lot of young guys and I don't think Tage, Tuch or Zucker are anywhere near Miller in that way. I think he's a perfect fit for this team.

The Skinner thing was about how generalities based on nation of origin are weak.

And the big questions are about the character and makeup that Pettersson has and not just how he plays the game.

Personally, Pettersson is far from a perfect fit for what the Sabres need today. Matthew Tkachuk is the perfect fit for this team.

With the questions about Pettersson's lingering knee tendonitis and questions about whether the pressure of that big contract being a bit too much, and adding Pettersson is far from a lock for making the Sabres a lot better. And a trade for him could be very regrettable in a few years if he isn't a guy that can drive the bus here.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The big question for me is whether Pettersson's approach fits what this Sabres roster needs and not just from a talent perspective.

Dahlin has the mentality and approach that works given the leadership role he has as the 1D, captain, and the highest paid player on the team.

I wonder if Pettersson is wired the same way or not. If he isn't, that could be a problem for this team that has so many issues with getting consistent play from players that are expected to carry big roles.

Given that contract, you have to be 100% certain that he is an answer for what ails the Sabres and not a guy that will show up and not move the needle.


I could not care less what passport Pettersson has.

Dahlin is Swedish and Jeff Skinner is Canadian. You win with guys like Dahlin and you don't with guys like Skinner.

My question is who is Pettersson wired more like: Skinner or Dahlin?

And to dive into generalities based on their country of origin as too weak for me to spend time on.

Great post and well said

 

[KeepKane]

I'm doing the trade for EP for Cozens++. Cozens, maybe Greenway, prospect (Rosen/Ostlund) and protected 1st. Seems light so they prob ask for Cozens, Byram, Helenius and a 1st.

If we can get EP for Cozens it would do wonders for our forward chart and hopefully PP1

Zucker-EP-Tuch
Peterka-Thompson-Quinn
Benson-Kulich-Krebs
Malenstyn-Mcleod-Lafferty

 

[Beerz]

The Skinner thing was about how generalities based on nation of origin are weak.

And the big questions are about the character and makeup that Pettersson has and not just how he plays the game.

Personally, Pettersson is far from a perfect fit for what the Sabres need today. Matthew Tkachuk is the perfect fit for this team.

With the questions about Pettersson;s lingering knee tendonitis and questions about whether the pressure of that big contract being a bit too much, and adding Pettersson is far from a lock for making the Sabres a lot better. And a trade for him could be very regrettable in a few years if he isn't a guy that can drive the bus here.

That simply isn't true. This team lacks true Centers... Centers that are able to create and set up our wingers both at 5 on 5 and on the powerplay.. this team also lacks defensively responsible forwards.

 

[Fjordy]

The Skinner thing was about how generalities based on nation of origin are weak.

And the big questions are about the character and makeup that Pettersson has and not just how he plays the game.

Personally, Pettersson is far from a perfect fit for what the Sabres need today. Matthew Tkachuk is the perfect fit for this team.

With the questions about Pettersson;s lingering knee tendonitis and questions about whether the pressure of that big contract being a bit too much, and adding Pettersson is far from a lock for making the Sabres a lot better. And a trade for him could be very regrettable in a few years if he isn't a guy that can drive the bus here.

Maybe, but I have no problem adding Pettersson.

He's a perfect fit because he's a natural 1C who's very good at two-way play and defense. Of course Tkachuk is good too but he's not available, but we don't have a top 6 C and even Tage isn't perfect at that.

The injury issue is not for me, it should be looked at by competent people. But Pettersson scored 15 points in 9 or 10 games while Miller was absent this season. And when Miller is present, his numbers go down. Maybe Miller is a real bully who bothers Pettersson and makes him uncomfortable.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm doing the trade for EP for Cozens++. Cozens, maybe Greenway, prospect (Rosen/Ostlund) and protected 1st. Seems light so they prob ask for Cozens, Byram, Helenius and a 1st.

If we can get EP for Cozens it would do wonders for our forward chart and hopefully PP1

Zucker-EP-Tuch
Peterka-Thompson-Quinn
Benson-Kulich-Krebs
Malenstyn-Mcleod-Lafferty

With Greenway out long term, he isn't getting traded in a deal for a guy like Pettersson.

And I be stunned if Adams parted with Cozens and Byrum and Helenius and a 1st.

 

[Fjordy]

With Greenway out long term, he isn't getting traded in a deal for a guy like Pettersson.

And I be stunned if Adams parted with Cozens and Byrum and Helenius and a 1st.

I bet he'll get less return in the deal.

 

[Jim Bob]

That simply isn't true. This team lacks true Centers... Centers that are able to create and set up our wingers both at 5 on 5 and on the powerplay.. this team also lacks defensively responsible forwards.

Pettersson has been producing at similar rates as Cozens has at 5 on 5 this season.

Pettersson has been feasting on the PP.

The million dollar question would be whether Pettersson could provide a huge boost to the Sabres PP. Or, if he would come here, his PP production would plummet because of the issues around him on the PP, and then he's just a higher paid center giving them similar production as Cozens at ES.

 

[Fjordy]

Pettersson has been producing at similar rates as Cozens has at 5 on 5 this season.

Pettersson has been feasting on the PP.

The million dollar question would be whether Pettersson could provide a huge boost to the Sabres PP. Or, if he would come here, his PP production would plummet because of the issues around him on the PP, and then he's just a higher paid center giving them similar production as Cozens at ES.

But you don't take into account other aspects of the game? Pettersson > Cozens.

 

[toddkaz]

I think you missed this part:

"There are plenty of arguments for why trading Cozens could be a good move. That they haven't won with him yet is just a weak argument."

I am not saying that the roster is perfect. I am just saying the argument that they have lost with player X as a reason to not engage in a meaningful conversation about the pros and cons of moving said player in a trade is lazy and not valid.

It's just as lazy as thinking that taking a player that has been successful in a lower role elsewhere and giving him a bigger role here will make the player and the Sabres better.

The key is getting the right players in here and not merely different players.

Different is not guaranteed to be better.

Trade for better and not merely different.

I didn't miss anything. You hated my argument for changing the roster because this core hasnt made the playoffs for 3 years so I agreed with you ya, lets not change the roster and keep losing. Why say that if you didn't mean it?

What you write is just nonsense because you say the argument is wrong but ya maybe we should still trade him. Its mind boggling that you say its not a reason to engage in meaningful conversation...Who said you werent allowed to have a conversation? Its just lazy to blame others that you aren't allowed to post about the things you want to post about. I mean who was stopping you from having a conversation???

In fact what are you even talking about?

If you want to engage in meaningful conversation then provide meaningful content instead of complaining about what others post. It actually does the opposite. I have no interest in engaging in conversation with you because you are not interested in engaging in conversation about the team. Instead you are complaining about how people post and the words they use.

If I want to trade a player away because we arent winning with him thats too bad for you that you dont like it and frankly I dont give a damn.

 

[TageGod]

I'm doing the trade for EP for Cozens++. Cozens, maybe Greenway, prospect (Rosen/Ostlund) and protected 1st. Seems light so they prob ask for Cozens, Byram, Helenius and a 1st.

If we can get EP for Cozens it would do wonders for our forward chart and hopefully PP1

Zucker-EP-Tuch
Peterka-Thompson-Quinn
Benson-Kulich-Krebs
Malenstyn-Mcleod-Lafferty

You have to remove one of Cozens or Byram.

 

[Beerz]

Pettersson has been producing at similar rates as Cozens has at 5 on 5 this season.

Pettersson has been feasting on the PP.

The million dollar question would be whether Pettersson could provide a huge boost to the Sabres PP. Or, if he would come here, his PP production would plummet because of the issues around him on the PP, and then he's just a higher paid center giving them similar production as Cozens at ES.

No shit. Nothing in life is guaranteed.

Unless you have a better idea how to obtain a #1 Center you are going to have to be willing to take risks.

Otherwise we will just be spinning our wheels.

 

[Jim Bob]

But you don't take into account other aspects of the game? Pettersson > Cozens.

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Of course on paper, Pettersson is better than Cozens.

The challenge is that games are not played on paper.

The trade won't be Cozens for Pettersson, in all likelihood. So, it's not just one guy versus the other using charts.

 

[thewookie1]

I'm doing the trade for EP for Cozens++. Cozens, maybe Greenway, prospect (Rosen/Ostlund) and protected 1st. Seems light so they prob ask for Cozens, Byram, Helenius and a 1st.

If we can get EP for Cozens it would do wonders for our forward chart and hopefully PP1

Zucker-EP-Tuch
Peterka-Thompson-Quinn
Benson-Kulich-Krebs
Malenstyn-Mcleod-Lafferty

Yeah that's not happening

 

[Jim Bob]

No shit. Nothing in life is guaranteed.

Unless you have a better idea how to obtain a #1 Center you are going to have to be willing to take risks.

Otherwise we will just be spinning our wheels.

All I am saying is that there are red flags for me with Pettersson. But, the Sabres have two people that give them better information than fans have in that Sam Lafferty was on the Canucks last year and can talk specifically to what is going on with Miller and Pettersson.

He also probably has a good idea of what this Sabres roster needs and if Pettersson is likely to provide it or not.

And you have Dahlin who is the captain here, has played at the WJCs twice with Pettersson and will also be Pettersson's teammate at the 4 Nations this year.

I would be all for some "soft tampering" over dinner between Dahlin and Pettersson.

If Dahlin and Lafferty are banging the table to get Pettersson, then I would be all for it. If they weren't sure, I'd pass.

 

[Beerz]

All I am saying is that there are red flags for me with Pettersson. But, the Sabres have two people that give them better information than fans have in that Sam Lafferty was on the Canucks last year and can talk specifically to what is going on with Miller and Pettersson.

He also probably has a good idea of what this Sabres roster needs and if Pettersson is likely to provide it or not.

And you have Dahlin who is the captain here, has played at the WJCs twice with Pettersson and will also be Pettersson's teammate at the 4 Nations this year.

I would be all for some "soft tampering" over dinner between Dahlin and Pettersson.

If Dahlin and Lafferty are banging the table to get Pettersson, then I would be all for it. If they weren't sure, I'd pass.

Do i see red flags? You bet I do. Not saying I wouldn't be nervous. But I also know what this team lacks and what EP can bring and how this might be the only opportunity to address these issues.

You bet your ass Im taking the risk.

 

[Jim Bob]

Do i see red flags? You bet I do. Not saying I wouldn't be nervous. But I also know what this team lacks and what EP can bring and how this might be the only opportunity to address these issues.

You bet your ass Im taking the risk.

I look at what this team lacks and I think it is way more than just hockey talent. Can Pettersson bring that to the table?

Eichel was a true 1C and we saw what happened during his time in Buffalo.

 

[Beerz]

I look at what this team lacks and I think it is way more than just hockey talent. Can Pettersson bring that to the table?

Eichel was a true 1C and we saw what happened during his time in Buffalo.

Yes we saw way more weaknesses in the rosters than this one. Including being Kruegered

 

[Fjordy]

Of course on paper, Pettersson is better than Cozens.

The challenge is that games are not played on paper.

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The trade won't be Cozens for Pettersson, in all likelihood. So, it's not just one guy versus the other using charts.

Only one guy is averaging 40 points and isn't even a normal 2C with a 7 million salary, and the other guy is averaging PPG+ in a normal environment and is a 1C. One guy doesn't play defense and the other does, one is a very good two-way player and the other is not. These are just facts. I'll easily take Pettersson over Cozens if that's what it takes.

 

[Chainshot]

It would be somewhat ironic to me if they do move Cozens to Vancouver since he has consistently reminded me of Trevor Linden.

 

[Fjordy]

It would be somewhat ironic to me if they do move Cozens to Vancouver since he has consistently reminded me of Trevor Linden.

I remember him being compared to Charlie Coyle before the draft, and unfortunately so far it's been pretty close. Basically a 40 point guy with one breakout season.

 

[Beerz]

Canadian teams love their World Junior heroes.. Cmon Canucks you know you want him

 

[TehDoak]

If I am Buffalo I am backing up the truck for Rantanen if he becomes a free agent. I would for Marner and Ehlers too.

Probably unpopular opinion to sign a winger to a big contract but 14 years of missed playoffs forcing this to happen.

Barring a major front office restructure, nobody is going to sign a big contract here. When it comes to UFAs, GMs are salesman. They have to sell a player on what their role would be, the city, and plan for success, etc.

I'd be all for swinging big on a UFA, especially since we don't have to worry about RFAs as much since they've both been meh. But...I just don't see us as a very attractive destination until the front office gets sorted.

 

[jc17]

I'd rather go for Tavares on a 1 year deal although I wouldn't be surprised if he goes real cheap to stay in Toronto

The Toronto proximity might be enough for him

People love the palm trees joke, but was the stat about Zucker as our best ufa in 35 years or whatever not clicking? It's a legitimate uphill battle that goes beyond kevyn and Terry