The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

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If I am Buffalo I am backing up the truck for Rantanen if he becomes a free agent. I would for Marner and Ehlers too.

Probably unpopular opinion to sign a winger to a big contract but 14 years of missed playoffs forcing this to happen.
 
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Not a great look for Pettersson's ability to handle pressure.
And what's the problem, the carrot is more effective than the stick, the players are different, one is a Swede, who is calm and on his own wavelength, the second is possibly a hooligan or a fool. Everyone pays so much attention to the words in the press, and this is just funny to me, because people like to dodge, lie, especially in the press. Some say this about Miller: "He's a leader", "You will win with this guy". No, he hasn't won anything by the age of 32, he was traded from the Rangers, then Tampa traded him and almost immediately won several cups, now here's the situation in Vancouver, where there were some conflicts before and Miller is possibly the main hero in this. Pettersson showed his best game under Boudreau, when he used the carrot on him. There are no problems with trading for Pete, rather the opposite, we really need him as a player and a master of his craft. I would be more afraid of adding a guy like Miller to a young locker room than Pettersson.
 

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Not a great look for Pettersson's ability to handle pressure.
I think its a non-issue if he was traded to Buffalo. Dahlin and Pettersson would be on the same page IMO. I don't the EP and Rasmus would have the same issue. I think other than Dahlin EP is a step above everyone else where JT Miller is a different breed than who is on the sabres roster.

EP and Dahlin would probably be great together. They played together at the Juniors.
 
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I think its a non-issue if he was traded to Buffalo. Dahlin and Pettersson would be on the same page IMO. I don't the EP and Rasmus would have the same issue. I think other than Dahlin EP is a step above everyone else where JT Miller is a different breed than who is on the sabres roster.

EP and Dahlin would probably be great together. They played together at the Juniors.
They are also good friends, which makes it easier. So a trade for Pettersson makes too much sense for us.
 

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They are also good friends, which makes it easier. So a trade for Pettersson makes too much sense for us.
I really get a "this feels like God answering our prayers" vibe and I hope we can pull it off. We would by far make the most sense as we have the assets and we'd be the place where the odds of it blowing up in their face like the ROR or Jack trades with the guy skating around the ice with the cup a year later are virtually nil.
 

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I really get a "this feels like God answering our prayers" vibe and I hope we can pull it off. We would by far make the most sense as we have the assets and we'd be the place where the odds of it blowing up in their face like the ROR or Jack trades with the guy skating around the ice with the cup a year later are virtually nil.
KA can't make a waiver claim and barely add 4th liners, I have no confidence he can add to T6F or the owner will allow it.
 
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Ya you are right. We should keep a losing roster.

Dont make any changes.
I think you missed this part:

"There are plenty of arguments for why trading Cozens could be a good move. That they haven't won with him yet is just a weak argument."

I am not saying that the roster is perfect. I am just saying the argument that they have lost with player X as a reason to not engage in a meaningful conversation about the pros and cons of moving said player in a trade is lazy and not valid.

It's just as lazy as thinking that taking a player that has been successful in a lower role elsewhere and giving him a bigger role here will make the player and the Sabres better.

The key is getting the right players in here and not merely different players.

Different is not guaranteed to be better.

Trade for better and not merely different.
 

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Seems more like Miller is a bully or idiot. Might even be both.

My concern about EP is the knee injury. We need to roll the dice anyway because this team is stuck at the bottom.
Given the team's support of Miller and what has been said about EPete, I read the situation differently. It seems like Miller is more driven to win than EPete is and those personality differences have created friction.

Guys like MacKinnon, Toews, Drury, and others have had reputations where their drives to win have rubbed some teammates, that are not wired the same way, the wrong way.

If that is the dynamic, I would rather add Miller to this team (and there is a 0% chance he waives to come to Buffalo) than EPete.

This team doesn't need an $11M center that is not absolutely driven to win.
 
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Not a great look for Pettersson's ability to handle pressure.

And what's the problem, the carrot is more effective than the stick, the players are different, one is a Swede, who is calm and on his own wavelength, the second is possibly a hooligan or a fool. Everyone pays so much attention to the words in the press, and this is just funny to me, because people like to dodge, lie, especially in the press. Some say this about Miller: "He's a leader", "You will win with this guy". No, he hasn't won anything by the age of 32, he was traded from the Rangers, then Tampa traded him and almost immediately won several cups, now here's the situation in Vancouver, where there were some conflicts before and Miller is possibly the main hero in this. Pettersson showed his best game under Boudreau, when he used the carrot on him. There are no problems with trading for Pete, rather the opposite, we really need him as a player and a master of his craft. I would be more afraid of adding a guy like Miller to a young locker room than Pettersson.

I think its a non-issue if he was traded to Buffalo. Dahlin and Pettersson would be on the same page IMO. I don't the EP and Rasmus would have the same issue. I think other than Dahlin EP is a step above everyone else where JT Miller is a different breed than who is on the sabres roster.

EP and Dahlin would probably be great together. They played together at the Juniors.

Given the team's support of Miller and what has been said about EPete, I read the situation differently. It seems like Miller is more driven to win than EPete is and those personality differences have created friction.

Guys like MacKinnon, Toews, Drury, and others have had reputations where their drives to win have rubbed some teammates, that are not wired the same way, the wrong way.

If that is the dynamic, I would rather add Miller to this team (and there is a 0% chance he waives to come to Buffalo) than EPete.

This team doesn't need an $11M center that is not absolutely driven to win.
I worked in a NATO unit for a bit with guys from Norway and Sweden. One of my best military friends is from Norway. And I lived in Europe (Germany) for five years. North Americans read Europeans wrong all the time.

Scandinavians and Germans aren’t typically “root-rah” guys. They typically are pretty reserved. Sure, they get excited, but I’ve watched how discipline is done with their soldiers. Not a whole lot of yelling, very business like. They explain what they want, and expect it done. If not, they are removed and given lesser and often menial duties. It’s a carrot with an underlying system of reducing duties which would be seen as an embarrassment.

It’s a cultural thing. I don’t know the exact details of what is happening in Vancouver, but from Richardson it sounds like Pettersson is being verbally embarrassed. That’s never going to work with a German or a Scandinavian.

I’m no hockey expert, but I am a leadership expert. Leaders have to know who they are leading and adjust accordingly. Most of the American public thinks the military is just a bunch of screaming and blind obedience. It couldn’t be more opposite. The military sends us to leadership schools for years over our careers to teach us how to lead in various different ways. Many of the most ferocious leaders I’ve worked with were soft spoken.

From an outsider’s look, it seems like the one-size-fits-all approach isn’t working with Pettersson.
 

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Given the team's support of Miller and what has been said about EPete, I read the situation differently. It seems like Miller is more driven to win than EPete is and those personality differences have created friction.

Guys like MacKinnon, Toews, Drury, and others have had reputations where their drives to win have rubbed some teammates, that are not wired the same way, the wrong way.

If that is the dynamic, I would rather add Miller to this team (and there is a 0% chance he waives to come to Buffalo) than EPete.

This team doesn't need an $11M center that is not absolutely driven to win.
I'll easily add 11 million 1C, even if he's just a calm guy he still continues to show his skills on the ice. Although Miller was observed playing lazily and without effort. He argued with Horvat and he left, he attacked other players on his team, he was traded from two teams. No thanks. I'd rather take the safer Pettersson, who just wants to play hockey, and not conflict with a fool.

All players are different, we lack skill, it's a simple fact, the fact that Pettersson doesn't show any emotional motivational words in interviews doesn't mean anything to me. He's Swedish, Dahlin doesn't shout about it either and also looks like a calm captain, and Tuch calls him a leader. There are examples of other such Swedes. It's just that everyone needs their own approach, Boudreau found an approach to Pettersson. I don't think he's a cancer in the locker room, but Miller is more of a potentially dangerous player for the locker room for me than Pettersson, especially for a young team. I'd easily take a guy like Zucker into the locker room than a guy like Miller.
 

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I worked in a NATO unit for a bit with guys from Norway and Sweden. One of my best military friends is from Norway. And I lived in Europe (Germany) for five years. North Americans read Europeans wrong all the time.

Scandinavians and Germans aren’t typically “root-rah” guys. They typically are pretty reserved. Sure, they get excited, but I’ve watched how discipline is done with their soldiers. Not a whole lot of yelling, very business like. They explain what they want, and expect it done. If not, they are removed and given lesser and often menial duties. It’s a carrot with an underlying system of reducing duties which would be seen as an embarrassment.

It’s a cultural thing. I don’t know the exact details of what is happening in Vancouver, but from Richardson it sounds like Pettersson is being verbally embarrassed. That’s never going to work with a German or a Scandinavian.

I’m no hockey expert, but I am a leadership expert. Leaders have to know who they are leading and adjust accordingly. Most of the American public thinks the military is just a bunch of screaming and blind obedience. It couldn’t be more opposite. The military sends us to leadership schools for years over our careers to teach us how to lead in various different ways. Many of the most ferocious leaders I’ve worked with were soft spoken.

From an outsider’s look, it seems like the one-size-fits-all approach isn’t working with Pettersson.
The big question for me is whether Pettersson's approach fits what this Sabres roster needs and not just from a talent perspective.

Dahlin has the mentality and approach that works given the leadership role he has as the 1D, captain, and the highest paid player on the team.

I wonder if Pettersson is wired the same way or not. If he isn't, that could be a problem for this team that has so many issues with getting consistent play from players that are expected to carry big roles.

Given that contract, you have to be 100% certain that he is an answer for what ails the Sabres and not a guy that will show up and not move the needle.

I'll easily add 11 million 1C, even if he's just a calm guy he still continues to show his skills on the ice. Although Miller was observed playing lazily and without effort. He argued with Horvat and he left, he attacked other players on his team, he was traded from two teams. No thanks. I'd rather take the safer Pettersson, who just wants to play hockey, and not conflict with a fool.

All players are different, we lack skill, it's a simple fact, the fact that Pettersson doesn't show any emotional motivational words in interviews doesn't mean anything to me. He's Swedish, Dahlin doesn't shout about it either and also looks like a calm captain, and Tuch calls him a leader. There are examples of other such Swedes. It's just that everyone needs their own approach, Boudreau found an approach to Pettersson. I don't think he's a cancer in the locker room, but Miller is more of a potentially dangerous player for the locker room for me than Pettersson, especially for a young team. I'd easily take a guy like Zucker into the locker room than a guy like Miller.
I could not care less what passport Pettersson has.

Dahlin is Swedish and Jeff Skinner is Canadian. You win with guys like Dahlin and you don't with guys like Skinner.

My question is who is Pettersson wired more like: Skinner or Dahlin?

And to dive into generalities based on their country of origin as too weak for me to spend time on.

:dunno:
 
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The big question for me is whether Pettersson's approach fits what this Sabres roster needs and not just from a talent perspective.

Dahlin has the mentality and approach that works given the leadership role he has as the 1D, captain, and the highest paid player on the team.

I wonder if Pettersson is wired the same way or not. If he isn't, that could be a problem for this team that has so many issues with getting consistent play from players that are expected to carry big roles.

Given that contract, you have to be 100% certain that he is an answer for what ails the Sabres and not a guy that will show up and not move the needle.
I think a Swede with a similar upbringing, age and young hockey life as EP will work a lot better as a leader than Miller. I could see Dahlin and him fitting.

Can’t say for sure though and maybe that’s the issue.
 

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I think a Swede with a similar upbringing, age and young hockey life as EP will work a lot better as a leader than Miller. I could see Dahlin and him fitting.
Given all the calls that they needed accountability, I wonder if Pettersson would be a guy that is too likely to go with the flow and not one that says what needs to be said when things aren't going well.
 

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The big question for me is whether Pettersson's approach fits what this Sabres roster needs and not just from a talent perspective.

Dahlin has the mentality and approach that works given the leadership role he has as the 1D, captain, and the highest paid player on the team.

I wonder if Pettersson is wired the same way or not. If he isn't, that could be a problem for this team that has so many issues with getting consistent play from players that are expected to carry big roles.

Given that contract, you have to be 100% certain that he is an answer for what ails the Sabres and not a guy that will show up and not move the needle.


I could not care less what passport Pettersson has.

Dahlin is Swedish and Jeff Skinner is Canadian. You win with guys like Dahlin and you don't with guys like Skinner.

My question is who is Pettersson wired more like: Skinner or Dahlin?

And to dive into generalities based on their country of origin as too weak for me to spend time on.

:dunno:
How is he similar to Skinner? He plays a two-way game and plays defense, he's really good at that. Maybe he cringes because of Miller's offense, but we don't have Miller, we have his friend Dahlin, we have a lot of young guys and I don't think Tage, Tuch or Zucker are anywhere near Miller in that way. I think he's a perfect fit for this team.
 
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