The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[TageGod]

Dahlin- Injuries hurting play, Master of bad penalties
Power- Young, Not consistent
Byram- Young, Not consistent
Joker- trash
Bryson- Too small to clear out crease.
Clifton- Mostly acceptable, except that givaway.

Tage- Injuries
Tuch-no complaints, but usually banged up
Quinn-Young, Injuries/massive slump
Cozens- Young, Not consistent
Peterka- Young, Not consistent
Benson- Young, Dahlin's padawan of uneccessary penalties
Zucker- Disappeared
Mcleod- Disappeared
Kulich- Young, Not consistent

The rest, meh.

Forwards that play good defense: Mcleod......4th line?

Forwards that play acceptable defense: Tage Benson Zucker, maybe Tuch?

Bad:

The rest.

WHO IS ACTUALLY A RELIABLE HOCKEY PLAYER??

It's no wonder this team is so up and down every game.

 

[RWatson29]

I hope the reason is because Ruff is showing them video and absolutely berating the whole team for a good solid 4 hours.

Most likely it is that lol

 

[Fjordy]

Bove is more hopeful than Fairburn.

 

[Zman5778]

Tuch, Benson, Dahlin stay.
EVERYBODY else should be available. Honestly, I could be swayed on Dahlin too.

I'm OK with Tage staying too. As a 2C, he could be deadly if not asked to face the opponent's best all the time. And his contract is more than reasonable for what he provides.

Tuch, Benson, Tage, Dahlin. I'm still loathe to deal Power.....but he's absolutely available for the right piece.

I'd also consider keeping UPL. Yeah, he had a couple of tough rebounds last night......but I'd love to see what he could do behind a legitimate defense.

 

[Fjordy]

Dahlin- Injuries hurting play, Master of bad penalties
Power- Young, Not consistent
Byram- Young, Not consistent
Joker- trash
Bryson- Too small to clear out crease.
Clifton- Mostly acceptable, except that givaway.

Tage- Injuries
Tuch-no complaints, but usually banged up
Quinn-Young, Injuries/massive slump
Cozens- Young, Not consistent
Peterka- Young, Not consistent
Benson- Young, Dahlin's padawan of uneccessary penalties
Zucker- Disappeared
Mcleod- Disappeared
Kulich- Young, Not consistent

The rest, meh.

Forwards that play good defense: Mcleod......4th line?

Forwards that play acceptable defense: Tage Benson Zucker, maybe Tuch?

Bad:

The rest.

WHO IS ACTUALLY A RELIABLE HOCKEY PLAYER??

It's no wonder this team is so up and down every game.

Trade for experienced players, why the hell are you putting the youngest roster on the ice and expecting consistency and playoffs. I said before the season that they are too young and young players are often inconsistent, although experienced ones are too, but this is just a poorly built roster. Dude plays a video game and thinks he is a genius. Let him go f*** himself.

 

[Zman5778]

Dahlin- Injuries hurting play, Master of bad penalties
Power- Young, Not consistent
Byram- Young, Not consistent
Joker- trash
Bryson- Too small to clear out crease.
Clifton- Mostly acceptable, except that givaway.

Tage- Injuries
Tuch-no complaints, but usually banged up
Quinn-Young, Injuries/massive slump
Cozens- Young, Not consistent
Peterka- Young, Not consistent
Benson- Young, Dahlin's padawan of uneccessary penalties
Zucker- Disappeared
Mcleod- Disappeared
Kulich- Young, Not consistent

The rest, meh.

Forwards that play good defense: Mcleod......4th line?

Forwards that play acceptable defense: Tage Benson Zucker, maybe Tuch?

Bad:

The rest.

WHO IS ACTUALLY A RELIABLE HOCKEY PLAYER??

It's no wonder this team is so up and down every game.

McLeod is only 24 -- I'd file him under the "young, not consistent" category as well. It was a criticism of him levied by Oilers fans. And even still....he's the best forward we've got in his own zone along with Greenway.

 

[Fjordy]

I'm OK with Tage staying too. As a 2C, he could be deadly if not asked to face the opponent's best all the time. And his contract is more than reasonable for what he provides.

Tuch, Benson, Tage, Dahlin. I'm still loathe to deal Power.....but he's absolutely available for the right piece.

I'd also consider keeping UPL. Yeah, he had a couple of tough rebounds last night......but I'd love to see what he could do behind a legitimate defense.

Where are we going to get 1C then? They don't grow on trees.

We also need to fix our defense, screw this big three, make a defense like Carolina or Devils, where there is a more defensive player paired with PMD.

Dahlin - xxxx
Power/Byram - xxxx

 

[RWatson29]

The core is absolutley Tage/tuch/dahlin/benson/power/UPL

 

[Dubi Doo]

I'm OK with Tage staying too. As a 2C, he could be deadly if not asked to face the opponent's best all the time. And his contract is more than reasonable for what he provides.

Tuch, Benson, Tage, Dahlin. I'm still loathe to deal Power.....but he's absolutely available for the right piece.

I'd also consider keeping UPL. Yeah, he had a couple of tough rebounds last night......but I'd love to see what he could do behind a legitimate defense.

Yup. Add UPL to that list if for nothing other than it prevents us from having to nuke Levi's career + we don't want a repeat of 2021. I cant even remember the goalies we had that year.

I disagree regarding Tuch, but that debate will just go in circles haha

 

[TehDoak]

I think a few things:

1. The season is far from over. 3 points out of a wild card spot, 5 pts out of the 3 spot in the division with 56 games to go
2. Panic trades rarely yield season altering changes. Coaching changes are usually the more effective changes in season, but I doubt we go that way with Ruff.

I think what can be said is we lack quality veterans in our top 6. You have one top line center in Thompson, you have a good top 6/top line forward in Tuch when he's healthy.

After that, its Benson (19), Cozens (23), Quinn (22), and Peterka (22).

Of that group, Peterka has been the most consistently productive the last 2 years. Quinn appears to still be recovering. from his injury last year, and Cozens appears to be regressing.

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

 

[Fjordy]

I think a few things:

1. The season is far from over. 3 points out of a wild card spot, 5 pts out of the 3 spot in the division with 56 games to go
2. Panic trades rarely yield season altering changes. Coaching changes are usually the more effective changes in season, but I doubt we go that way with Ruff.

I think what can be said is we lack quality veterans in our top 6. You have one top line center in Thompson, you have a good top 6/top line forward in Tuch when he's healthy.

After that, its Benson (19), Cozens (23), Quinn (22), and Peterka (22).

Of that group, Peterka has been the most consistently productive the last 2 years. Quinn appears to still be recovering. from his injury last year, and Cozens appears to be regressing.

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

We also lack a normal defense, and it is also possible that Dahlin will not play anytime soon because of his back and we will play with Power, Byram, Bryson and Jokiharju in the top 4. This is goodbye right away.

 

[Zman5778]

I disagree regarding Tuch, but that debate will just go in circles haha

I completely see your point regarding Tuch. And it is something that needs to be considered. If he's asking for like $7-8 million AAV on a 7-8 year deal....then of course we'd be better off letting him go.

My inclusion of Tuch is based upon the assumption (yes, I know) that he'll sign here at a reasonable deal on a reasonable term. We all know he absolutely loves Buffalo and I think that's valuable to have. And when he's healthy, he's a legit top 6 winger that often plays like a legit top line winger.

 

[RWatson29]

I think a few things:

1. The season is far from over. 3 points out of a wild card spot, 5 pts out of the 3 spot in the division with 56 games to go
2. Panic trades rarely yield season altering changes. Coaching changes are usually the more effective changes in season, but I doubt we go that way with Ruff.

I think what can be said is we lack quality veterans in our top 6. You have one top line center in Thompson, you have a good top 6/top line forward in Tuch when he's healthy.

After that, its Benson (19), Cozens (23), Quinn (22), and Peterka (22).

Of that group, Peterka has been the most consistently productive the last 2 years. Quinn appears to still be recovering. from his injury last year, and Cozens appears to be regressing.

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

Unless we’re packaging cozens for a guy like Rasmus andersson which Calgary wouldn’t do even though they’re looking for a top 6 center, I don’t see what we could be looking to get back for him, and I don’t really want to know

I have no problem putting him in a deal for the right stuff, mind you. I’m still sitting here thinking kulich is a good center even though he’s been kind of snake bitten putting the puck in the net. It’s all really hard lol. The one guy I’ve definitley soured on is Quinn. But I feel like his value has to be at an all time low so is it even worth it?

 

[Zman5778]

I think a few things:

1. The season is far from over. 3 points out of a wild card spot, 5 pts out of the 3 spot in the division with 56 games to go
2. Panic trades rarely yield season altering changes. Coaching changes are usually the more effective changes in season, but I doubt we go that way with Ruff.

I think what can be said is we lack quality veterans in our top 6. You have one top line center in Thompson, you have a good top 6/top line forward in Tuch when he's healthy.

After that, its Benson (19), Cozens (23), Quinn (22), and Peterka (22).

Of that group, Peterka has been the most consistently productive the last 2 years. Quinn appears to still be recovering. from his injury last year, and Cozens appears to be regressing.

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

Doak is being a voice of reason.............??????

You're absolutely right on everything you say. And you're especially right on the season not being over -- if this team pulls its collective head out of their asses.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I think a few things:

1. The season is far from over. 3 points out of a wild card spot, 5 pts out of the 3 spot in the division with 56 games to go
2. Panic trades rarely yield season altering changes. Coaching changes are usually the more effective changes in season, but I doubt we go that way with Ruff.

I think what can be said is we lack quality veterans in our top 6. You have one top line center in Thompson, you have a good top 6/top line forward in Tuch when he's healthy.

After that, its Benson (19), Cozens (23), Quinn (22), and Peterka (22).

Of that group, Peterka has been the most consistently productive the last 2 years. Quinn appears to still be recovering. from his injury last year, and Cozens appears to be regressing.

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

A lot of the work will need to be done during the offseason, but if theyre not in a playoff spot by Feb, then dangle a few names out there, and see who bites. I believe Tuch would bring back a haul at the deadline, but I understand others wanting him to be a leader for a mini retool. The C aint getting stripped from Dahlin, so he's not going to be our captain. Still, he can be a good influence in the lockerroom.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

I don’t think he knows what light years are.

TIL Tuch was the kid in Brock's gym.

 

[jc17]

Cozens is probably the most tradable piece. Is it worth selling low on a 23 year old and what is coming the other way?

If they trade cozens I don't think it will be really giving up on his future, and more the pressure to win now.

It could be a move in 5 years that looks like bad value, but I wouldn't be surprised if the team is willing to take a value loss for something that might help. But I have no idea what that "might help" looks like.

Unless we’re packaging cozens for a guy like Rasmus andersson which Calgary wouldn’t do even though they’re looking for a top 6 center, I don’t see what we could be looking to get back for him, and I don’t really want to know

I have no problem putting him in a deal for the right stuff, mind you. I’m still sitting here thinking kulich is a good center even though he’s been kind of snake bitten putting the puck in the net. It’s all really hard lol. The one guy I’ve definitley soured on is Quinn. But I feel like his value has to be at an all time low so is it even worth it?

Hell, give Quinn a shot at center at this point. He's done it before and just isn't good in either direction along the wall

 

[Ace]

A lot of the work will need to be done during the offseason, but if theyre not in a playoff spot by Feb, then dangle a few names out there, and see who bites. I believe Tuch would bring back a haul at the deadline, but I understand others wanting him to be a leader for a mini retool. The C aint getting stripped from Dahlin, so he's not going to be our captain. Still, he can be a good influence in the lockerroom.

There is so much work to do that it needed to be spread over three or four offseasons…and he didn’t do any of the work the last three.

Nothing changes until that mentality does. You can’t tinker every year without success in between. He acts like we are a playoff team trying to find the right mix to win an extra round or two. He needed to make major, major moves in the last four off-seasons. He hasn’t. Closest he’s come is adding a third defenseman who can’t defend at the cost of a center who outproduces the guy he paid.

We are multiple moves he has proven completely incapable of making away. And I’m not even talking about from cup contention which should be every team’s goal. We can’t even get to the playoffs in years the conference is down bad.

They’re not going anywhere with this do nothing GM.

 

[RWatson29]

If they trade cozens I don't think it will be really giving up on his future, and more the pressure to win now.

It could be a move in 5 years that looks like bad value, but I wouldn't be surprised if the team is willing to take a value loss for something that might help. But I have no idea what that "might help" looks like.

Hell, give Quinn a shot at center at this point. He's done it before and just isn't good in either direction along the wall

Oh god Quinn at center

There is so much work to do that it needed to be spread over three or four offseasons…and he didn’t do any of the work the last three.

Nothing changes until that mentality does. You can’t tinker every year without success in between. He acts like we are a playoff team trying to find the right mix to win an extra round or two. When needed to make major, major moves in the last four off-seasons. He hasn’t.

We are multiple moves he has proven completely incapable of making away. And I’m not even talking about from cup contention which should be every team’s goal. We can’t even get to the playoffs in years the conference is down bad.

They’re not going anywhere with this do nothing GM.

yeah imagine if we made moves in the off season, like get a guy like Necas when he’s available before he completely tears the league apart? Impossible in season to try and make some prospects + picks (main part of trade) to go for something useful in season. Even at the deadline. Players who are available in the off season just aren’t available in season.

 

[OkimLom]

Only player I wouldn't mind returning is Benson, and that's because he's got an effective game, even if he's not producing which will be useful in the near future, but I'm waiting for that other shoe to drop where we regression in his offensive skill set and game come into play, because this team absolutely sucks at developing players.

 

[Fjordy]

Well, we are not an expansion team, so we can assemble a whole new roster except 1-3 players and trade the rest, that doesn't happen. We will have to build from what we have and what can be obtained in several deals.

 

[Ace]

I’m not f***ing around when I say they’d have been better off overpaying four lines of grinders five years ago and slowly working in young players into that environment as time passes. Either way you werent making the playoffs…and you weren’t scoring goals…or stopping goals…but, at least, they could have developed players and then inserted them into an environment of high effort.

Because this way sucks and everyone is lost, in over their heads, and can’t look to anyone for help.

We are the hypothetical team that Brad Pitt was talking about in Moneyball. We tried to build a team like the Yankees as a poverty franchise…and it went as expected. The last dog at the bowl dies. And they haven’t attempted one piece of innovation. Just whined about what they can’t get and settled for what they could knowing it would fail. At least my way would have given them an identity, helped the future, and not been as f***ing embarrassing.

It’s year four of knowing they needed a steady defensive partner for Owen Power. Adams hasn’t even figured that out yet.

 

[Fjordy]

It’s year four of knowing they needed a steady defensive partner for Owen Power. Adams hasn’t even figured that out yet.

He didn't even add it for Dahlin when he first took over as GM. It's a shame, the guy just doesn't know how to build a team properly. We needs another GM, and the sooner the better.

 

[Tatanka]

We traded with the NY Islanders for Pat LaFontaine over 33 years ago! (Holy shit I'm getting old) That worked out great for us then, so how about something like:

Barzal + Dobson

Cozens + Power + Rosen +

??

I think you would need to swap Cozens with Thompson. I would still do it. But Cozens doesn't move the needle enough to make Lou do it.

 

[Fjordy]

I think you would need to swap Cozens with Thompson. I would still do it. But Cozens doesn't move the needle enough to make Lou do it.

I wouldn't, Barzal isn't that good right now and Dobson has struggled too. And there's no point in simply swapping Barzal for Thompson.