The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[GettingYourMoms]

Thompson-40
Quinn-30
Peterka-35
Benson-10
Tuch-25
Cozens-27
Zucker 12
Mcleod 10
Kulich 14

Feels like projecting but after their awful seasons last year you have to expect higher goal totals from a lot of these guys.

if Kulich gets on 3rd line and gets at least pp2 time he´s gonna score 25-30 goals. And Peterka is going to be best Sabres player, he is amazing.

 

[Jacob582]

I can't hear the questions again but I think Ruff said that Dahlin started skating.

 

[Willgamesh]

I can't hear the questions again but I think Ruff said that Dahlin started skating.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837174693675106315

 

[TehDoak]

The issue is space beyond 24/25. The Sabres have real cap trouble given RFAs and UFAs in 25 and 26. If they were to bring in someone at at $5m+ beyond this year.what I mean is what happened with edmonton where someone OS at 2nd round rate on Quinn or peterka

That has been thoroughly debunked. With a moderate increase to the cap every year (lets say 3%), any issues are essentially washed away. You can give 7M deals long term to Byram, Quinn, and Peterka AND a 3M bridge to Levi, that puts you at ~89M cap with 17 players signed.

Move on from Krebs, puts you at 87.5 with the only trouble area is RHD for the 2nd pair, which is a problem we already have.

The real key is...don't try to lock down every player who smells success at an NHL level to a 7+ year deal and you have plenty of cash and flexibility.

Unless Quinn/Peterka put out real top line production, bridge them and be ready to move on if one of our younger cheaper wingers is ready.

Levi is a 10.2 RFA with no rights....bridge him to a 2 year deal at 1.5M. Byram isn't going to get elite PP time, so he's not going to get the numbers to demand a big deal in arb. Sign him to a smaller deal.

Projecting every player out needs a long term big ticket is silly. You already have 2 d-men signed to giant deals...its ok to walk Byram to UFA.

The only way we run into cap space problems is if Kevyn creates them by trying to lock down every player to long term deals if they sniff RFA.

 

[Zman5778]

The only way we run into cap space problems is if Kevyn creates them by trying to lock down every player to long term deals if they sniff RFA.

I'd argue that the easiest way to run into cap issues is if we take a big swing on a UFA and miss.

 

[Irie]

That has been thoroughly debunked. With a moderate increase to the cap every year (lets say 3%), any issues are essentially washed away. You can give 7M deals long term to Byram, Quinn, and Peterka AND a 3M bridge to Levi, that puts you at ~89M cap with 17 players signed.

So... if you add McLeod's contract to your above scenario, they would then be at or slightly over the cap with only 5 D signed, zero money to re-sign Johnson or greenway, shit for depth, and still needing to sign 5 guys to fill out the roster... and no cap to do any of it.

Sounds like those doing the debunking may be mathematically challenged.

 

[BFLO]

I'd argue that the easiest way to run into cap issues is if we take a big swing on a UFA and miss.

Is this because you think all big ticket UFAs are bad? Or because you think Adams would miss on the UFA he signed?

 

[TehDoak]

So... if you add McLeod's contract to your above scenario, they would then be at or slightly over the cap with only 5 D signed, zero money to re-sign Johnson or greenway, shit for depth, and still needing to sign 5 guys to fill out the roster... and no cap to do any of it.

Sounds like those doing the debunking may be mathematically challenged.

I didn't include him in the post, but that number includes Mcleod at 4M a year long term.

The cap will likely be 92M give or take a 1M. And that is giving everyone a long term deal...and its still doable. The only issue is you need a 2nd pair RHD...which you already need.

And you don't need to bring back Greenway.

There is no cap crunch with what we have currently unless Kevyn makes one by giving out 7-8 deals to every player and the AAV that comes with.

Edit:

The roster with some bridge contracts:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/99143

I'd argue that the easiest way to run into cap issues is if we take a big swing on a UFA and miss.

This is true. Like any long term deal...there has to be caution. We can't have another Skinner deal.

The issue is, we can add a long term contract with no issues whatsoever. Adams claiming we don't have the long term room is patently false.

If you include sending out one of the pending RFAs (Peterka or Quinn) as part of the cost of acquisition...then we REALLY have no problems.

 

[Zman5778]

Is this because you think all big ticket UFAs are bad? Or because you think Adams would miss on the UFA he signed?

Somewhere in the middle. I do worry that Adams would miss. But at the same time, I believe that spending big on a UFA is a pretty risky move in general. So many UFA contracts just aren't worth it.

 

[BFLO]

Somewhere in the middle. I do worry that Adams would miss. But at the same time, I believe that spending big on a UFA is a pretty risky move in general. So many UFA contracts just aren't worth it.

Big UFAs are risky. But good GMs are good at managing risk, so they end up signing the good UFAs. If you don't trust your GM to sign a good one... why is he your GM at all?

Not directed at you in particular. But I don't understand how posters can hold both of these beliefs at the same time:

Belief 1: Adams is a good GM
Belief 2: I don't want Adams to sign UFAs because it's too risky.

If you don't think Adams is capable of managing that risk, then you can't really think he's a good GM.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Somewhere in the middle. I do worry that Adams would miss. But at the same time, I believe that spending big on a UFA is a pretty risky move in general. So many UFA contracts just aren't worth it.

Historically speaking I think the top end of the UFA pool usually results in some heartburn long term more often than not. The middle ground is usually where you find the best results in UFA.

2022 for example. The top end of the UFA pool at the time were guys like Kadri, Copp, Klingberg, Kuemper, Campbell, Giroux, Palat, and Trochek. How many of those players still look as good now as they did the day they hit UFA?

Conversely, the middle tier guys like Marchment, Niederreiter, Mikheyev, Vatrano, Chiarot etc. seemed to have a higher success rate in terms of looking like fair deals.