The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[joshjull]

Cannot be afraid of your shadow. Very good conversation on wgr today how Ottawa, Detroit, Florida, etc have all at least "tried" to change/get better, and not without misses and done so. Our owner gm/and defacto gm are afraid of there shadows and in a cycle of constantly chasing their tails.

Neither Detroit nor Florida are comparable situations to the Sabres/Sens. For starters neither has a major issues with players waiving to go there. Detroit has also had very little in house talent. They’ve had no choice but to go out and acquire players in trades/free agencies. Thats not taking chances, thats doing something out of necessity. Florida was already a playoff team that decided they needed to do something bold (Tkachuk trade) to take the next beyond just making the playoffs.

Ottawa is the only one in a comparable situation to ours. 6 of their top 9 forwards are in house guys ages 22-26yrs. Three of their top 4 dmen our in house. They’ve also missed the playoffs the past 7 years.

But here are the differences

1) Forwards; The 3 vet forwards in their top 9 (Giroux/Cousins/Amadio) aren’t any better than our 3 vets (Tuch/Zucker/Greenway). The big difference in the Sens favor is their 6 young/in house forwards are simply better than ours as a group.

2) Defense; Even though 3 of the top 4 are in house, only one is young (Sanderson 22yrs old). Chabot is 28 and Zub is 31. Added to that are Jensen (34yrs) in the top 4 and Harmonic (34yrs) at #5 dman. It’s a WAY more experienced d-corp. Even though it was developed in a similar fashion. Although the Sens never had so many youngster at the same time in their top 4 like we have. Our Byram trade in theory was the equivalent of the Jensen or Chychrun trades.

3) Goalies; The Sens finally landed a legit vet starter in Ullmark (31st) this past offseason to pair with a vet backup in Forsberg (32yrs) . We’re still relying on a young in house option with UPL (25yrs). At least we finally got him a vet backup in Reimer. But Adams still started the season trying to force Levi into the mix again.

Adam’s obsession with his young players has been killing us.

 

[Chainshot]

Adam’s obsession with his young players has been killing us.

Sing it from the rooftops.

 

[Zman5778]

Cozens was worse than McLeod at center, that's just a fact to me, also I don't see how Cozens' deal to Utah is going to get us another center. We could also extend the deal somehow and get Hayton from Utah, for example, or find another center somewhere else.

Yeah, I'd just find another center somewhere else. Shaking up the roster kind of takes a bit of priority to me, since the mix we currently have isn't it. At all. Run Tage and Kulich at center until we figure something out. Hell, give McLeod a legit chance at playing a bit more offensively.....use Krebs at 3C and Kozak at 4C for all I care. Something needs to change....and at this point, I don't give a flying f*** what it is.

For me, the fewer pieces in the transaction the better. Wondering if Crouse and Kesselring for Cozens - just the 2:1 offer moves the needle for folks?

I'd absolutely do that.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Sing it from the rooftops.

The ironic thing is that his obsession with young players would have been welcome if he and Pegula kept the older players to go along with them. Having a top line with Eichel and Reinhart and ROR, in addition to Okposo and Girgs lower down, that would've allowed the kids to grow in less stressful roles, and would give a team some hope that they develop correctly.

Same with Defense - keeping Montour and Risto over Sammy and Joki would've helped a lot, especially with Dahlin and Power's development. Dahlin isn't the player he could've been with better support and development and it's depressing.

 

[Weltschmerz]

The ironic thing is that his obsession with young players would have been welcome if he and Pegula kept the older players to go along with them. Having a top line with Eichel and Reinhart and ROR, in addition to Okposo and Girgs lower down, that would've allowed the kids to grow in less stressful roles, and would give a team some hope that they develop correctly.

Same with Defense - keeping Montour and Risto over Sammy and Joki would've helped a lot, especially with Dahlin and Power's development. Dahlin isn't the player he could've been with better support and development and it's depressing.

you had me with that Power-Risto pairing

 

[Gras]

Andersson has a 6 team No Trade list. I think there is as much likelihood that you could get him to waive as you could get EP40 happy about a trade to Buffalo.

And Andersson plays way too much and with tough deployments to be labelled just an offensive-minded D. I think he could be the type of partner for Power that could take a lot of the weight off of Power to do everything with the puck as compared to what Power has to do with a lot of the partners he's had in Buffalo most notably Samuelsson.

If its a 6 team list its likely that its the 6 Canadian market teams and we are not on the list.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Paul Hamilton proposed this on WGR today… Rasmus Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk… Yes or No?

 

[Chainshot]

If its a 6 team list its likely that its the 6 Canadian market teams and we are not on the list.

That seems fair. There has been a lot of talk about how so many players put the Canadian teams on their lists and then filter out from there. Dadonov reportedly was all of Canada and all of California.

 

[Jim Bob]

If its a 6 team list its likely that its the 6 Canadian market teams and we are not on the list.

If that is his list, I wonder how Flames fans would feel about it?

And I didn’t break up, if we add Andersson, I don’t even doubt that Byram will then go in the opposite direction.

But in general I don't agree with you, I want to add two top 4 D who can play defense, and you suggest adding another PMD to the top 4, which just doesn't make any sense to me.

The most minimal change should be adding a top 4 RD who is good at defense and preferably physical to play with Power, then the pair Byram - Dahlin is still our first pair.

The second option for me is to trade one of Power/Byram, for example, in a deal for a top 6 C and add two more defensive top 4 D.

Trading Byram in a deal for Andersson is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

They need to add a top 4 D and not just swap one top 4 D for another.

 

[Ehran]

Paul Hamilton proposed this on WGR today… Rasmus Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk… Yes or No?

No.

 

[Fjordsen]

Trading Byram in a deal for Andersson is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

They need to add a top 4 D and not just swap one top 4 D for another.

I know, but trading Andersson doesn't make sense if Dahlin, Power and Byram are still on the team. This trade only makes sense if for example Byram doesn't want to sign with Buffalo and is looking for a 1D and PP1 role. Or for example if we trade Power or Byram in another deal for a top 6 C as an option. We need guys who play defense, for me that's the main thing right now.

Paul Hamilton proposed this on WGR today… Rasmus Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk… Yes or No?

No way, Dahlin isn't going anywhere.

 

[Jim Bob]

I know, but trading Andersson doesn't make sense if Dahlin, Power and Byram are still on the team. This trade only makes sense if for example Byram doesn't want to sign with Buffalo and is looking for a 1D and PP1 role. Or for example if we trade Power or Byram in another deal for a top 6 C as an option. We need guys who play defense, for me that's the main thing right now.

Why wouldn't it make sense to add a quality partner for Power in the top 4?

This is something that Adams should have done years ago.

 

[Fjordsen]

Why wouldn't it make sense to add a quality partner for Power in the top 4?

This is something that Adams should have done years ago.

Because this partner PMD, is better at offensive than defending, not physical, that's why it doesn't make sense to me. We need defensemen who play defense and know what it is. Why the hell would we add a fourth PMD to the top 4? I'd rather add Whitecloud or Kesselring than Andersson.

 

[Jim Bob]

Because this partner PMD, is better at offensive than defending, not physical, that's why it doesn't make sense to me. We need defensemen who play defense and know what it is. Why the hell would we add a fourth PMD to the top 4? I'd rather add Whitecloud or Kesselring than Andersson.

If Rasmus Andersson is a liability defensively, why does he lead Flames D in SH TOI this season?

This framing of Andersson as an offensive only defenseman who is a liability defensively does not align with how he's been used in Calgary.

 

[Zman5778]

Paul Hamilton proposed this on WGR today… Rasmus Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk… Yes or No?

Abso-f***ing-lutely not. No way. Nein. Negative. Never in a million years.

 

[Fjordsen]

If Rasmus Andersson is a liability defensively, why does he lead Flames D in SH TOI this season?

This framing of Andersson as an offensive only defenseman who is a liability defensively does not align with how he's been used in Calgary.

Ask Calgary fans, I've seen their opinions. Andersson has always been more of an offensive D, he's not a switch-off guy, Weegar is a much better fit for us. Just because he plays a lot doesn't mean he's a good fit for Power. I have already expressed my opinion, I see no point in repeating myself.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Jeremy White shock value poll, more fun that real, but still an interesting question and some of the comments are priceless

Would you trade Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk ?

lol. Lmao even. That’s the wrong Tkachuk for this question to be even worth asking.

 

[OkimLom]

Paul Hamilton proposed this on WGR today… Rasmus Dahlin for Brady Tkachuk… Yes or No?

I wouldn't do the player swap, but I sure as heck would like the team to take that sort of direction change in terms of player type.

 

[toddkaz]

Because this partner PMD, is better at offensive than defending, not physical, that's why it doesn't make sense to me. We need defensemen who play defense and know what it is. Why the hell would we add a fourth PMD to the top 4? I'd rather add Whitecloud or Kesselring than Andersson.

Also we don't need to add someone who is expensive to trade for as Andersson.

Stay at home defensemen/defensive defensemen are usually much cheaper than PMD and I think you could find a partner for Power at the cost of a 2nd round pick or a 2nd and a B prospect. That is about the going price of that type of player.

 

[joshjull]

If that is his list, I wonder how Flames fans would feel about it?


Trading Byram in a deal for Andersson is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

They need to add a top 4 D and not just swap one top 4 D for another.

Find a Chychrun for Jensen Type trade for us using Byram. I have zero interest in extending someone who isn’t good defensively and is only effective paired Dahlin. But this nitwit GM is likely to extend him.

 

[rt]

Thanks guys. Appreciate the input.

Proposal: Thread 'Cozens for Crouse+Kesselring'

Monday at 12:01 PM

It’s two for one. Who wins and by how much?

• rt
• Replies: 88
• Forum: Trades Rumors & Free Agency

 

[CrazyWayne]

Somewhat convinced Paul Hamilton knows nothing about hockey, especially considering it is his job to know hockey

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Somewhat convinced Paul Hamilton knows nothing about hockey, especially considering it is his job to know hockey

Only somewhat? Lol

 

[Chainshot]

Somewhat convinced Paul Hamilton knows nothing about hockey, especially considering it is his job to know hockey

He didn't for years when I listened to him. Since stopping listening to him, I don't miss him.

 

[Ace]

Is Adams obsessed with his young players or is he obsessed with their cheap price tags and team control?

He operates like making moves is the literal hardest thing in the entire world to accomplish. If he moves guys that can’t go anywhere for seven years he might think he won’t be able to replace them long term. Because proven players cost money he isn’t going to add to the payroll.

It is impossible to believe that the GM, in last place after five off-seasons, thinks he’s got what he needs. Even as someone who believes he is the most unqualified jackass ever put in charge of anything more important than a paper route…he can’t be that naive and manage to tie his shoes and get himself to the office.

That he doesn’t want to lose team control over cheaper contracts? I buy that shit all f***ing day. Because it’s what I’ve been watching.

Where he’s f***ed himself is that many of his early picks and contracts to keep young guys have fallen off a f***ing cliff due to the way he fails to develop and insulate them. Inactions have consequences too.