Prospect Info: The 2024-2025 Prospects Thread
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I have watched so many Farjestad's games over the past few years. With such a late birthday he just finished his 21 year old season in a men's league on that has been near the top of the league for many years. He's far too physical for a Euro league. I thought he would do a heck of a lot better in a NA league.
The difference is that during most of the Gillis era, the Canucks were well inside the top16 playoff teams, so they were drafting a lot later.
Benning, on the other hand, was the GM in charge of some of the worst teams in franchise history. And while they did acquire guys like Boeser, Hughes and Pettersson (before this season) their overall drafting record was dismal.
If you add in Forsling it looks better. Problem was Benning traded him for Clendenning.
TomWillander1RD
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He's wearing a Boston logo cap during an interview right after signing a deal with the Canucks. Man, I'm questioning his judgment and loyalty. Let's trade him while he still has some value. I'm totally ready to change my username.
Gillis was still awful at the draft, he even alluded to it in an interview years ago.
Of course drafting isn't all on the GM. He relies as much on his scouting staff--particularly in later rounds.
But as others have observed on these Boards, over the years the Canucks often refused to overhaul their amateur scouting staff even when they failed to uncover decent prospects in later rounds, year after year. Their track record of finding decent players from the CHL was unbelievably bad.
An of course during Benning's time, the Canucks also traded a staggering number of draft picks for players who proved to be almost useless.
That's the college hockey team he played for last year nothing to see here.
ChilliBilly
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yeah he probably should have had the sarcasm emoji with that post ....
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David Bruce Banner
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I think Bains is losing traction as a top prospect... he's probably what he is now, a solid AHL'er who can get called up from time to time without embarrassing himself. Sasson and Karlsson are in the same boat, but I think can contribute more at the NHL level.
Kudryavtsev should rank over Mynio until Mynio proves he can take the next step.
Mancini and Mueller should be on that list somewhere too.
As it stands I'd rank them like so...
- Lekk
- Willander
- EP25
- Mancini
- Räty
- Kudryavtsev
- Silovs
- Sasson
- Mynio
- Mueller
Kind of hard to have Lekkerimaki in front of EP2 the way things stand. Not saying that Lekkerimaki will necessarily be the better player, but right now EP2 is better, how’s a way lower chance of busting and a much higher floor, and probably has a materially better chance of hitting on an 80-100% outcome. Lekkerimaki, though, has the higher end potential if he hits like a 99 percentile outcome, but he’s unlikely to do that, and if he hits on like an 80% outcome, which is not even overly likely, he’s a soft, undersized second line scoring winger which isn’t terribly valuable.
krutovsdonut
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i am endless disappointed by prospect ranking methodologies. nobody seems to have figured out how to weight for nhl upside at different tiers or positions or prospect age.
that mckeen top 10 is nearly useless comparing apples and oranges, presumably using stats models .
first off, mancini at 22 is not treated as a prospect with 31 nhl games but 3 years older karlsson with 29 nhl games is, or do they think mancini is not a top 10 canuck prospect? d-petey is behind lekk and willander, presumably strictly on draft position and raw upside. bains and sasson are somehow ranked ahead of karlsson who probably makes the canucks next year, and mueller isn't even on the list. kudryatsev is behind mynio. silovs, while tracking as a backup goalie at 24, is rated ahead of mynio and kudryatsev who have top 4 dman upside.
that mckeen top 10 is nearly useless comparing apples and oranges, presumably using stats models .
first off, mancini at 22 is not treated as a prospect with 31 nhl games but 3 years older karlsson with 29 nhl games is, or do they think mancini is not a top 10 canuck prospect? d-petey is behind lekk and willander, presumably strictly on draft position and raw upside. bains and sasson are somehow ranked ahead of karlsson who probably makes the canucks next year, and mueller isn't even on the list. kudryatsev is behind mynio. silovs, while tracking as a backup goalie at 24, is rated ahead of mynio and kudryatsev who have top 4 dman upside.
Wry n Ginger
Water which is too pure has no fish
Mckeen's don't use a stats model to do that. If they did it wouldn't look anything like that. Angry at the stats model people, angry at the opinions model people. Is there anyone left to be angry at for having a subpar farm system? Lol.
David Bruce Banner
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EP25 is probably my favourite prospect right now and also one of my favourite Canucks. He did great on the big team last year, albeit in somewhat sheltered minutes. In terms of actual NHL accomplishment, he's our #1 prospect. But "Prospect" lists necessarily have to deal with "potential" as nebulous as that term is.
Lekk has shown a patern of taking a bit of time to acclimatize to new situations before excelling. Injuries and illness have been a factor too. So, he had a slow start to the AHL playoffs, most likely related to his facial injury... perhaps even a concussion... but is gradually getting up to speed. He's shown a pattern of reaching 99 percentile outcomes once he acclimatizes, so there is a decent chance that he can do so with the next step as well.
Does it make him a better prospect than EP25 or Willander or the rest? I guess we'll see. I have hope, but he has some work to do and some hurdles to clear. As do all of these prospects.
Honestly have no idea what the ranking even means…. DP is on the verge of being a full time NHLer and has that unicorn package. Sasson and Karlsson have limited upside but basically borderline 4th line guys. Raty has top9 potential and will probably be in the NHL next season. Silovs is basically out of the picture in terms of his future with us and is quite unpredictable. So I really don’t understand what this ranking is about.. is it upside? Likeliness of making the NHL? Value?
Josepho
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Having Lekkerimaki at 1 is ridiculous, but 18 is a reasonable ranking for us. I think the majority of discourse about these prospects rankings were the "analytics" ones that had us bottom 5 in the league.
I tried to find out a little more about it like why Mancini isn't on it but they didn't really put out a write up out about how and why or what. Just prospect rankings, so I'd guess it's how they project that player is in the NHL.
I couldn't care less about where the team is ranked in the league for our prospect pool, but McKeen's internal ranking of our prospects seems off to me. The lack of a guide to their rankings also makes it harder to gauge why they ranked prospects and prospect pools where they have.
From that list DPetey, Willy and just maybe Lekk will be okay, the rest are AHL with some NHL tweeners.
