Prospect Info: The 2024-2025 Prospect Thread: Part 1: Skate or Die!

[Jerry the great]

I can't say I saw those four games but I remember his training camp that year and I'm well aware that Edler basically played himself into being the all-situations 1D in Manitoba very quickly.

I'm a big EP2 fan but he isn't even close to Edler as a prospect at the same age.

I think coming over and playing his D+2 season in Kelowna helped Edler adjust to the smaller ice surface. considering the difficulty he had finding a place to play in Sweden, it's too bad EP25 didn't do that last year.

 

[krutovsdonut]

No, did you? Have you seen Pettersson's AHL games? I have.

i am not the one making the comparison of 20 year old seasons here before pettersson has played his. you are. i don't need to prove anything here except that he is only 4 games into it and you never saw the equivalent beginning of edler's 20 yo season. thus your statement was at best ill considered.

it's also a weird strawman refutation to make at all. the op was not comparing pettersson to edler as a player except to say that pettersson is tracking well compared to other 3rd rounders like bieksa and edler. that comment is true, whatever pettersson turns out to be, and your post was not responsive to it. pettersson may not be "standing out" after all of four games, but the fact he is playing a regular shift in those games is pretty good for a rookie third rounder.

really i think by making the comparison between edler and petterson at all you are praising pettersson with faint damnation.

 

[VanJack]

The comparisons between D-Petey and Edler are a bit of a 'stretch' at this point, granted.

But watching those highlights so far in Abbotsford, he looks like a different guy than the one who played at a couple of development camps and at the prospects tournament. He's made the jump to the AHL look easy. And he's bigger than Edler, and currently listed at 6'4" and 215. He'll be something of a beast by the time he's 24-25.

And any time a 20-year old d-man is getting top-four minutes in his first four games in the AHL, it gets my attention. And finally, along with Kudryavtsev, Lekkerimaki and Raty, the Canucks have a few 20-21 year-olds who you can legitimately making the NHL one day.

 

[Grantham]

Edler just had a entire hockey game dedicated to him here, he is a Canuck legend, maybe the 2nd best defensemen ever after Hughes.

So we don't need him to be Edler. If we can just appreciate what he's doing so far after a rough camp, we'll be happier for it. Lets see where this goes

 

[David Bruce Banner]

You could say the same about any prospect in our system. 'Oh hey look at how Alex Edler turned out!'. It's not what I'm talking about. I understand development isn't linear and obviously we aren't going to perfectly predict where a 20 yr old goes from here.

I'm saying his criticisms seem to be in the 'decision making' and 'processing the game' camp. Those are concerning shortcomings. We will see him improve in those areas over the next few years and what he turns in to will be the degree in which he improved. The baseline is the problem in those areas when projecting D Petey to anything higher than a 3rd pairing dman though. Hope we are wrong there.

To touch back on Edler. I had season's tickets to the Kelowna Rockets when Alex Edler played there. He was what I would call a stalwart. Never took himself out of position. When he hit it was with purpose. He processed the game extremely fast and quarterbacked the best PP in the league that year. His passing was always tape to tape. You could see a projectable NHL player there pretty much right away. Not certain D Petey carries the same type of skillset to translate. Anyways this year will be a massive teller for D Petey.

Well, that might be the difference between a 1st pairing kind of guy (Edler) and 2nd or 3rd pairing guy like D-Petey (hopefully). Or that might be the difference between Canadian Junior and Swedish 1st Division.
Regardless, Pettersson is in the AHL to learn is "decision making" and "processing the game" at a new level. We will have to see if he can continue to develop these skills. Until proven otherwise, I'm optimistic that he can.

 

[604]

It’s hard to say which of the two is better offensively. I lean more towards Mynio having the better offensive drive than Willander. Willander obviously plays at a higher level but the thing is I have yet to see Willander really take control of games. He plays a far too reserved game. As an 11th pick taken in what’s probably going to be the deepest 1st round in NHL history, I need to see him show he’s capable of diversifying his game. Right now I don’t see much more than a #4.

There’s no way it’s deeper than 2003.

Top 4 dman would be a good result from our pick.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Aku Koskenvuo stopped 31/33 vs BU last night in exhibition play (BU still iced their A team), so a strong start for him.

Harvard's season opener is coming up Friday Nov 1st.

 

[Yultron]

Vilmer Alriksson scores his 2nd goal of the season , once again he scores against the Kitchener Rangers

 

[RobertKron]

I think he could just as easily be a top 2 or 3 guy as well. There are lots of d men who don't get drafted high, but still progress to a high level. Edler was drafted in the 3rd round, played a full season in the minors, then was pretty much a full timer at age 21. Bieksa wasn't a regular on the Canucks til he was 25 years old.

If Pettersson is standing out right now as 20 year old, that's a pretty good sign as a defenseman that takes longer to develop.

Edler never played a full season in the minors. He was recalled in early November his rookie pro season, and then bounced up and down the rest of that year.

 

[ChilliBilly]

So we have like 8 legitimate prospects right now:

Willander
Lekkerimaki
Raty. (not really a prospect anymore I guess)
D-Petey
Alriksson
Krudryavtsev
Dorrington
Tolopilo

and a ton of maybes like Mynio Kravtsov Felton Sasson etc.

And I think I am missing a few somewhere on that first list, like Ferstrom Patterson and Romani etc

I really think we will hit 6 - 7 of those on the list in the next 3 years or so.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Any word on Lekky?

Seems like a long time to be "ill"

Concerning considering he missed alot of games from previous season from things like mono and such....

 

[arttk]

Any word on Lekky?

Seems like a long time to be "ill"

Concerning considering he missed alot of games from previous season from things like mono and such....

Covid is pretty bad in the last couple of weeks.

 

[krutovsdonut]

So we have like 8 legitimate prospects right now:

Willander
Lekkerimaki
Raty. (not really a prospect anymore I guess)
D-Petey
Alriksson
Krudryavtsev
Dorrington
Tolopilo

and a ton of maybes like Mynio Kravtsov Felton Sasson etc.

And I think I am missing a few somewhere on that first list, like Ferstrom Patterson and Romani etc

I really think we will hit 6 - 7 of those on the list in the next 3 years or so.

if i define a legit prospect as someone who has legit above replacement player potential i'd add mynio and delete dorrington and allrikson.

allrikson and dorrington are just too raw for me to project one way or another. sure they could be but i don't see it yet. lots of guys in that category.

then i'd have the assessed ahl guys with replacement player potential as follows

sasson
bains
felton
woo
brisebois
wolanin
mcward

i guess i would rate bains and sasson higher than the rest of the replacement level crew but still replacement level. kudryatsov is the hardest for me to read. i think he needs to physically catch up to his raw ability.

and i have no idea what to do with klimovich. very talented guy without a clue. put him in with kravtsov, goldobin, burmistov, podkholzin and a host of other guys who play way below their potential.

 

[ChilliBilly]

if i define a legit prospect as someone who has legit above replacement player potential i'd add mynio and delete dorrington and allrikson.

allrikson and dorrington are just too raw for me to project one way or another. sure they could be but i don't see it yet. lots of guys in that category.

then i'd have the assessed ahl guys with replacement player potential as follows

sasson
bains
felton
woo
brisebois
wolanin
mcward

i guess i would rate bains and sasson higher than the rest of the replacement level crew but still replacement level. kudryatsov is the hardest for me to read. i think he needs to physically catch up to his raw ability.

and i have no idea what to do with klimovich. very talented guy without a clue. put him in with kravtsov, goldobin, burmistov, podkholzin and a host of other guys who play way below their potential.

Generally agree with everything you say. Aware that Dorrington is a long shot. Alrikson, on the other hand, has impressed at the various camps. Think he has at least a 50% chance of grinding out some sort of NHL career, even if its only as a perennial call up.

 

[1440]

So we have like 8 legitimate prospects right now:

Willander
Lekkerimaki
Raty. (not really a prospect anymore I guess)
D-Petey
Alriksson
Krudryavtsev
Dorrington
Tolopilo

and a ton of maybes like Mynio Kravtsov Felton Sasson etc.

And I think I am missing a few somewhere on that first list, like Ferstrom Patterson and Romani etc

I really think we will hit 6 - 7 of those on the list in the next 3 years or so.

Mynio is not only a legitimate prospect, he should be only behind Willander and Lekkerimaki in the rankings.

 

[HairyKneel]

Edler just had a entire hockey game dedicated to him here, he is a Canuck legend, maybe the 2nd best defensemen ever after Hughes.

So we don't need him to be Edler. If we can just appreciate what he's doing so far after a rough camp, we'll be happier for it. Lets see where this goes

Matty O was better than Edler

 

[Vector]

 

[VanJack]

Really hope Fernstrom can win a a spot on Sweden's World Jr. Team......but I imagine he could be in tough to make it.

 

[Lindgren]

Mynio was pointless tonight as his Seattle Thunderbirds suffered another thumping, 5-1 on the road in Saskatoon.

Is there a typical timing for players like Mynio to be traded to contenders? If management think there's a chance of making the playoffs, do they hang onto him, or is a move inevitable?

 

[MS]

Mynio was pointless tonight as his Seattle Thunderbirds suffered another thumping, 5-1 on the road in Saskatoon.

Is there a typical timing for players like Mynio to be traded to contenders? If management think there's a chance of making the playoffs, do they hang onto him, or is a move inevitable?

WHL trade deadline is in early January and most big moves happen around then.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

Mynio was pointless tonight as his Seattle Thunderbirds suffered another thumping, 5-1 on the road in Saskatoon.

Is there a typical timing for players like Mynio to be traded to contenders? If management think there's a chance of making the playoffs, do they hang onto him, or is a move inevitable?

i hope so or else its going to be a long season for him

 

[VanJack]

i hope so or else its going to be a long season for him

It's almost a given that Mynio will be traded by Seattle to a WHL contender before the end of the season.

But if it doesn't happen, the upside is that he could report to Abbotsford by early March, and potentially get into a lot of big AHL games down the stretch.

More importantly, he'll have fulfilled his obligations to junior hockey and in all probability will never be going back.

 

[Tim Calhoun]

What is he doing in the Jr league again?

If he can’t make it in the SHL squad, I hope he gets loaned to the Allsvenskan.

Really hope Fernstrom can win a a spot on Sweden's World Jr. Team......but I imagine he could be in tough to make it.

2024 was a pretty weak draft year for Swedes, so competition should be lower than usual for the next two WJCs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It's almost a given that Mynio will be traded by Seattle to a WHL contender before the end of the season.

But if it doesn't happen, the upside is that he could report to Abbotsford by early March, and potentially get into a lot of big AHL games down the stretch.

More importantly, he'll have fulfilled his obligations to junior hockey and in all probability will never be going back.

It's not at all a given that Mynio will be traded. Seattle has one of the top goalies in all of the chl. Ratzlaff has only played 6 gms and they're 4-2 when he's in. 8/12 make the playoffs. Seattle is likely in unless they trade Ratzlaff. I'd say it's 50/50 whether they're sellers this year. They probably should but who knows, whl teams can be very unpredictable on that front.

 

[ManVanFan]

I'm a little late looking through NHL affiliated prospect rankings this morning. Dorrie put her's out this morning and Lekkerimaki 30th, Willander no where. Daily face-off from Sept has Lekkerimaki 28th and Willander 63rd.

Got to say I feel like those lists have lost value. They are just junior's rankings. Completely ignoring any players glaring weaknesses because they can rack up points.