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The 2-Minute Shift PP's

OilerFanInLangley

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Is anyone else getting sick of seeing the same unit stay out for the full PP?

Is Perry really that much better than Hyman, where he should be staying out for the whole pp?

I'm a big believer in high-energy, short shifts, and our PP has become stale, slow and unimaginative. The 2nd unit gets maybe 20 seconds to work with, not enough to get started imo.
 
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No. The Oilers usually clip along at 26%+ so while not historic it is very good, and I do not see these numbers inflating with a much worse 2nd unit. Vegas has our number this series on special teams, I think that balances out a little more evenly once we get home and GG has a chance to make some adjustments.
 
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OilerFanInLangley said:
Is anyone else getting sick of seeing the same unit stay out for the full PP?

Is Perry really that much better than Hyman, where he should be staying out for the whole pp?

I'm a big believer in high-energy, short shifts, and our PP has become stale, slow and unimaginative. The 2nd unit gets maybe 20 seconds to work with, not enough to get started imo.
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Yeah, but it's usually only McDrai that stays for the full 2 minutes. The other guys try to get off after the first minute when they have a chance to.
 
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OilerFanInLangley said:
Is anyone else getting sick of seeing the same unit stay out for the full PP?

Is Perry really that much better than Hyman, where he should be staying out for the whole pp?

I'm a big believer in high-energy, short shifts, and our PP has become stale, slow and unimaginative. The 2nd unit gets maybe 20 seconds to work with, not enough to get started imo.
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WE have the best first PP unit in history, basically of a Red Army circa 70's caliber and your answer is to remove them from the PP and play the 2nd unit more just because.

I'm getting a little tired of these OOT threads being here.
 
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Fishy McScales said:
I don't mind the full 2 minutes that much, although Connor bobbles the puck a lot more often towards the end of those shifts.

What gets me is when Knob throws Connor and Leon out there again on the next shift when they're clearly still a bit gassed.
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That absolutely killed them in the comeback of game 1 against the Kings. They were out there for at least a 2 minute frantic high energy shift to get us back in the game, producing 2 goals and tying it. They should never have been out for the last 40 seconds, as they looked completely gassed.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
WE have the best first PP unit in history, basically of a Red Army circa 70's caliber and your answer is to remove them from the PP and play the 2nd unit more just because.

I'm getting a little tired of these OOT threads being here.
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Agreed. I think the answer is for the coaching staff to adjust and the players adapt to the situation.
 
I don't want them to throw the 2nd unit out earlier, but I am in favour of them moving individual guys in/out earlier depending on play. Basically run McDrai the whole time or most of it, and look to rotate out Perry/Nuge/Bouchard (in that order). If a guy is looking dangerous, keep him out longer, if the opposite is happening, get a new face out there sooner.

Our PP success is 97.29% due to McDrai, so I dont buy the whole "you cant mess with a historic PP!" narrative when it is mostly due to 2 players who have played with everyone in the lineup at one point or another. We have net front guys we can rotate in for Perry, we have different looks (an actual 1 time option would be nice) we can offer in Nuge's spot, we have Dmen who have produced on the PP in the past who can offer more simple, direct play that Bouchard likes to stray from.

They do this a bit with Perry/Hyman, but Nuge/Bouch seem glued to their spots and I think getting some different looks in those spots could be beneficial.
 
Stoneman89 said:
That absolutely killed them in the comeback of game 1 against the Kings. They were out there for at least a 2 minute frantic high energy shift to get us back in the game, producing 2 goals and tying it. They should never have been out for the last 40 seconds, as they looked completely gassed.
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PP TOI, Oiler fwds, through 9 games:
McDavid and Drai, 31 minutes each
Nuge 29 minutes
Perry 23 minutes

All other fwds combined: 17.5 minutes (Hyman 11)

The Oil usually go with 4 fwds and 1 D, so Bouch has played 31 mins on the PP and the rest of the D have combined for 6 minutes.

I don't think that McDrai in the last 50 seconds are better than Kane and Hyman. I also think that it's hard to expect a second ES line to get going when they don't get any PP at all, ever.

Maybe instead of using 4 fwds we should put Klingberg out there so that they have a 2nd unit that's capable. I get that it takes Nuge off the top unit, but a 1st unit with McDra has to good enough. No one else has that, and other teams do just fine. I'm just sick of the 1 PP unit thing.


I'm starting to feel the same way about Knoblauch that I did about Sather when he was coaching: I think that the team doesn't win more than other teams because he's a great coach, they win in spite of their coaching because they have more Gretzkys/McDavids than anyone else. McDavid played 24 minutes tonight. That's a stupid amount of icetime for a forward, especially in a game that the Oilers had the lead in for 15 minutes of the 1st period. If our strategy to get a cup is just to keep McDavid playing that many minutes, we're wasting our time watching this sh1t.

I'm as big a Draisaitl fan as anyone, but he has made a lot of turnovers in these playoffs that went straight back the other way for a goal, including 1 or 2 in this game. I think the guy is just playing too tired.

I get that he's better than anyone in the league not named McDavid or McKinnon, but nobody who's completely exhausted is a top 50 player in the NHL. Not McDavid, not Draisaitl, not anyone. 29 and 97 routinely play until they become liabilities, and they rarely ever go on the ice completely fresh.

I honestly don't believe that Arvidsson/Poodkolzin/Janmark should ever have a shift where they look more dominant than 27/29/a-bag-of-rocks, but they do it 2 or 3 times a game. They go out there fresh, pump their legs, keep the Vegas D on their heels, and make creative plays because when you're not gassed you can do that.

Sure, they were on for 2GA tonight, but on both occasions there was only 1 defenseman playing back when they were skating back into their zone. They got victimized the same way that Eichel did in OT in G2, and he's a pretty good player. Forwards just can't defend against other fwds when they're skating backwards.
 
OilerFanInLangley said:
Is anyone else getting sick of seeing the same unit stay out for the full PP?

Is Perry really that much better than Hyman, where he should be staying out for the whole pp?

I'm a big believer in high-energy, short shifts, and our PP has become stale, slow and unimaginative. The 2nd unit gets maybe 20 seconds to work with, not enough to get started imo.
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NJ does it the same way.

1) I feel like it makes sense play your good players as much as possible.

2) I would think the 2nd PP unit would play a different style and that might be better in situations where PP1 is not clicking. Is this a thing? Do PP units have different tactics? Do both PP units play the same style and run the same routes?

EDIT: I don't think I should be here. I wandered off the main boards. Good Luck.
 
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oXo Cube said:
Just gonna say this again for the people in the back:

It's literally the best 5 man Power play unit in the history of the sport. They can do whatever they hell they want and they deserve way, way more grace than they get from some here for the rare cold streak.
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If last season's stats matter, sure, I guess?

But they don't matter, actually, because goals scored during the 2023/'24 regular season don't count in games against Vegas in 2025. Right?



Did you know that the LA Kings still have 33% more PP goals than we do? And they've played 33% less games... Their 6th and lower fwds had 25 mins of PP time, compared to only 18 for our 5th and lower. Note that's their 6th and lower with more minutes than our 5th and lower.

Our fwds have 4 PP goals. Total. And Perry's PPG today was a generic "weak shot from the point against a screened goalie and he may have gotten a tip on it" goal. That's a goal that Dave Lowry can score on a PP without the help of McDrai being on the ice. It was a plugger goal.

McDrai have 1 goal between the 2 of them... Kuzmenko has 3. Fiala has 2. We need McDrai to be McDrai. Not McTired.


The Oil's PP were 12th this year in the reg season (not very good for a team with McDrai, is it...?) and they're 4th in the playoffs, but they're ofer in road-game PP's.

Are 4th and 12th overall ok for a McDrai PP?

If the PP was generating a lot of high-quality chances and not scoring that would be something, but they look like a mid-level PP. They're as dangerous as a beach ball half the time.

They need to get McDrai off the ice and make it a team effort. This is not working. We can't rely on 4th-line scoring. And we can't rely on McDavid getting flukey goals that just go in off some dude's skate. Again, that was a goal that Dave Lowry could just as easily have scored.
 
edevils said:
NJ does it the same way.

1) I feel like it makes sense play your good players as much as possible.

2) I would think the 2nd PP unit would play a different style and that might be better in situations where PP1 is not clicking. Is this a thing? Do PP units have different tactics? Do both PP units play the same style and run the same routes?

EDIT: I don't think I should be here. I wandered off the main boards. Good Luck.
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Sorry if this sounds a bit grumpy right now, i'm just tired and frustrated lol, but I personally feel like McDavid with 20 minutes is a better player than McDavid with 24 minutes, and that he'll get more points per game that way. I also think that he'll stay healthier.

I feel like McDavid with 26 shifts that are 45 seconds long is better than McDavid with three 2-minute shifts, and ten shifts that are 90 seconds.

I feel like McDavid would do more with less icetime, and that his team could keep the energy/attack level higher by spreading out the minutes a bit better.

I think it's weird that I find myself looking fwd to a 4th-line shift so that the Oilers can generate some scoring chances.
 
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Other than Perry being there for Hyman, they always deployed the PP in this manner. But Perry has 5 goals in the playoffs (same as Draisaitl), so it's hard to argue with that choice.
 
OilerFanInLangley said:
Sorry if this sounds a bit grumpy right now, i'm just tired and frustrated lol, but I personally feel like McDavid with 20 minutes is a better player than McDavid with 24 minutes, and that he'll get more points per game that way. I also think that he'll stay healthier.

I feel like McDavid with 26 shifts that are 45 seconds long is better than McDavid with three 2-minute shifts, and ten shifts that are 90 seconds.

I feel like McDavid would do more with less icetime, and that his team could keep the energy/attack level higher by spreading out the minutes a bit better.

I think it's weird that I find myself looking fwd to a 4th-line shift so that the Oilers can generate some scoring chances.
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I hear you, but the 4th line also doesn't have to go up against the Eichel line every shift.
 
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