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The difference in save % between the 2 is .005%, that's the equivalent of 1 goal on 200 shots, so effectively equal. Pickard also has an objectively horrendous, PK sv% of .556. Pickard and to lesser extent Skinner,, but mostly Pickard are the sole reason the PK is dead last in the league.

Every single time a Powerplay shot is taken by the other team on Pickard, statistically there is a 50/50 chance it goes in the net...that's absurdly bad.

Look, I'm not arguing for Skinner here, I just don't get why people on this board are excited to put in Pickard over Skinner when the stats say it's effectively "same shit different pile" with either of them in net.
You are cherry picking stats here a bit.
You ignored GAA and just focused on sav %.
Then you are claiming that since sv% is almost the same but Pickard let's in every other shot on PK then Skinner is the better goalie.
Twisting the same stats would prove that Skinner is a much worse goalie at ES.

That one SO vs PIT is probably the only reason why Skinner is a bottom 5 starter in the NHL instead of absolute worst.

Fact that Pickard is starting tonight when there is no back to back proves that there is no clear #1 in Edmonton. Lets not forget that we are comparing Canada's supposed best goalie who wishes to make 7M+ vs someone who is likely to clear waivers.
 

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Everybody is so pumped for Pickard and his .563 SV% when the Oilers are short handed....we better hope the refs put their whistles away tonight.

Pickard has given up 7 goals on 16 shots shorthanded, with what is, analytically, the best powerplay shot suppression team in the NHL...and you guys are excited about that?

Pickard has an overall .886 SVP%, and Skinner has an .881 SVP%. They both have terrible numbers in one metric or another, so I'm not sure why the groupthink on this board has decided that Pickard is the better option. Pickard is not in any way an upgrade over Skinner. It's essentially a coin flip right now between these two guys; it makes no difference.
Pickard GAA average is .6G/G lower. Despite looking at specifics Pickard has been better in net. Better GAA and even better save %. You have to search to find something Skinner has been better at and I suspect its also due to the Oilers facing more dud PP's when Skinner is in net and the Oilers working through some of their pk problems.

Glad to see Pickard in net if only for the change of pace. By my reckoning he should get 30 starts here. Not sure why we ride tired Skinner to the degree we do. He's not better.

Pickard is the backup for a reason.
Not for the reason you think.
 
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Pickard GAA average is .6G/G lower. Despite looking at specifics Pickard has been better in net. Better GAA and even better save %. You have to search to find something Skinner has been better at and I suspect its also due to the Oilers facing more dud PP's when Skinner is in net and the Oilers working through some of their pk problems.

Glad to see Pickard in net if only for the change of pace. By my reckoning he should get 30 starts here. Not sure why we ride tired Skinner to the degree we do. He's not better.
What I don't understand is we throw in rusty Pickard in when Stuart is either tired or his usual leaky.
 
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Pickard GAA average is .6G/G lower. Despite looking at specifics Pickard has been better in net. Better GAA and even better save %. You have to search to find something Skinner has been better at and I suspect its also due to the Oilers facing more dud PP's when Skinner is in net and the Oilers working through some of their pk problems.

Glad to see Pickard in net if only for the change of pace. By my reckoning he should get 30 starts here. Not sure why we ride tired Skinner to the degree we do. He's not better.


Not for the reason you think.
Pickard is the better choice against Nashville, though that says more about the worst team in the league than it does Pickard.
 

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You are cherry picking stats here a bit.
You ignored GAA and just focused on sav %.
Then you are claiming that since sv% is almost the same but Pickard let's in every other shot on PK then Skinner is the better goalie.
Twisting the same stats would prove that Skinner is a much worse goalie at ES.

That one SO vs PIT is probably the only reason why Skinner is a bottom 5 starter in the NHL instead of absolute worst.

Fact that Pickard is starting tonight when there is no back to back proves that there is no clear #1 in Edmonton. Lets not forget that we are comparing Canada's supposed best goalie who wishes to make 7M+ vs someone who is likely to clear waivers.
I never once claimed Skinner is the better goalie, you're creating an argument that isn't there.

I don't use GAA, as SV% is the better indicator of a goalie's ability. GAA is similar to +-, it's more of a team stat. If a goalie gets 60 shots a game but lets in 4 goals, his GAA is going to look bad based on the bad team around him, but his SV% would indicate he's actually playing quite well.

I said they're virtually identical, which they are. Yes, Pickard has a better ES SV% but he has a way worse PK SV% which is why their overall SV% is nearly the same.

the point of what I was saying is not that Skinner is better, it's that I don't understand people on here being excited that Pickard is starting when the stats say we have no better chance of winning with him over Skinner.


They've both been atrocious this year, yet people are acting like Pickard should play more while Skinner should be fired into the Sun, and that just isn't accurate. The team needs some sort of upgrade outside of those 2 guys ASAP.

At this point I'm ready to run with Rodrigue for the rest of the year with either Skinner or Pickard as the backup because it most likely can't get worse than what those 2 guys have been doing up to this point.
 
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Pickard is the better choice against Nashville, though that says more about the worst team in the league than it does Pickard.
Both goalies leak. The Oilers didn't emphasize the goalie file. Its basically what they had laying around and they took a wrong turn on Campbell and apparently are now done even trying to get better. Its the typical good nuff approach the org leans with and the same reason we have Ryans around until near age 40. Due diligence? There isn't any.
 
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Both goalies leak. The Oilers didn't emphasize the goalie file. Its basically what they had laying around and they took a wrong turn on Campbell and apparently are now done even trying to get better. Its the typical good nuff approach the org leans with and the same reason we have Ryans around until near age 40. Due diligence? There isn't any.
Man if there was some commonality between the below average goaltending the past 8 or 9 years...
 
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Pickard GAA average is .6G/G lower. Despite looking at specifics Pickard has been better in net. Better GAA and even better save %. You have to search to find something Skinner has been better at and I suspect its also due to the Oilers facing more dud PP's when Skinner is in net and the Oilers working through some of their pk problems.

Glad to see Pickard in net if only for the change of pace. By my reckoning he should get 30 starts here. Not sure why we ride tired Skinner to the degree we do. He's not better.


Not for the reason you think.

To be fair, though, quality of competition is a real factor here.

The opposition Pickard has faced has a collective record of 28-31-6 and averages about 2.75 goals for per game and only one team out of the 6 starts is amongst the current top 25 teams in in the league, and frankly he looked terrible in that games along with the team's offense.

Whereas Skinner's competition's collective record is 83-53-18 and averages 3.28 goals for per game and only 1 team wasn't amongst the leagues current top 25. Granted he got lit up like Christmas tree in that game but the entire team fell apart after McDavid got injured early.

I'm not overly keen on defending Skinner, so that's not my intent here but rather to point out that Pickard is pretty useless against any team that is in the playoff running. Last year, the only games he won vs. Playoff teams was an OTW vs. Dallas where he let in two terrible goals in the third to even allow it to get to overtime, and Game 4 vs. Vancouver that he almost blew allowing a last minute tying goal that was fortunately responded to within seconds. Granted that goal wasn't really his fault and he had a good game that night, but any narrative suggesting Pickard is "the answer" probably isn't considering the big picture enough.

The real issue is that there isn't another option to challenge both of these guys.

As for the issue of number of games. They've been fine so far. After tonight Skinner wil have started 11, Pickard 6 which is on pace for 53 games for Skinner and 29 for Pickard, basically what you are asking for and they've yet to run Skinner 4 in a row.
 

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To be fair, though, quality of competition is a real factor here.

The opposition Pickard has faced has a collective record of 28-31-6 and averages about 2.75 goals for per game and only one team out of the 6 starts is amongst the current top 25 teams in in the league, and frankly he looked terrible in that games along with the team's offense.

Whereas Skinner's competition's collective record is 83-53-18 and averages 3.28 goals for per game and only 1 team wasn't amongst the leagues current top 25. Granted he got lit up like Christmas tree in that game but the entire team fell apart after McDavid got injured early.

I'm not overly keen on defending Skinner, so that's not my intent here but rather to point out that Pickard is pretty useless against any team that is in the playoff running. Last year, the only games he won vs. Playoff teams was an OTW vs. Dallas where he let in two terrible goals in the third to even allow it to get to overtime, and Game 4 vs. Vancouver that he almost blew allowing a last minute tying goal that was fortunately responded to within seconds. Granted that goal wasn't really his fault and he had a good game that night, but any narrative suggesting Pickard is "the answer" probably isn't considering the big picture enough.

The real issue is that there isn't another option to challenge both of these guys.
Both goalies have faced similar QOC this season. Also using Pickards career starts involves a lions share of games where he wasn't even an Oiler so apples/oranges comparison.

Another thing for both goalies is our schedule start has been easy. Lionshare of non playoff clubs. More challenging segments of schedule are up ahead.

Having Pickard around is the reason we were able to rebound against Vancouver.

I don't know we have enough sample here to diagnose that Pickard cannot play against harder opposition.
 
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