Rumor: Teuvo Teravainen is heading to market July 1.

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Who is actually staying with the Canes? How can they not have any cap space? Losing Pesce, TT, Necas. Like how can they not afford 2/3 at least? They don't even have any really big tickets guys making 10-13 mil like a lot of teams do.

Skjei and Guentzel likely both gone. Like how are they so mismanaged that they are losing those 5 guys at once?

The Canes have a ton of cap space. They historically don't spend it in the typical way because they like giving 8 year pacts to young guys like Jarvis as soon as they can get it. That's why the Necas trade request puts them in kind of a weird spot. They normally would try to give a guy like him the max.

 

[HFpapi]

The Canes have a ton of cap space. They historically don't spend it in the typical way because they like giving 8 year pacts to young guys like Jarvis as soon as they can get it.

If they have a ton why are Necas and Pesce going to be cap casualties then? That's what I mean, surely they can't be losing those 5 guys AND have no cap? Why don't they use the space to bring some back? Those are 5 very good players they are losing. It's very odd to me.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If they have a ton why are Necas and Pesce going to be cap casualties then? That's what I mean, surely they can't be losing those 5 guys AND have no cap? Why don't they use the space to bring some back? Those are 5 very good players they are losing. It's very odd to me.

Necas is not a cap casualty at all. They wanted to give him an 8 year max. The issue is that the Necas camp is requesting a trade because they want 1st line minutes and possibly an opportunity to play center, both of which are not happening here because the Canes are one of the most defensively-minded teams in hockey.

Also, none of Pesce, Skjei, Guentzel, or TT are cap casualties in the truest sense of the term. The Canes simply have a number and term that they are willing to sign for and have no problem whatsoever walking away if another team is willing to pay more.

 

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One of the misconceptions about Teravainen is that he's one-dimensional. Tuevo is an excellent defensive player. For a guy who is not physical, he wins most of his board battles and was often put on lines as the "responsible" defender. He and Aho were great penalty killers together (yes he was excellent on the PK).

Any team that get's him will get a smart distributor who is responsible in his own end, and has one of the better shots around. You will just always wish he used that rocket a bit more. TT never met a pass he didn't want to execute.

If he goes to Chicago, he will make any line he plays on significantly better.

Came here to reply and post essentially this.

He’s very good defensively and has the ability to basically play with any combination of linemates and contribute to whatever that line needs to do.

He's not physical and he is pass first but he can be an effective shooter when he gets in that mind set. He's good on the right side with one-timers at sharp angles like Draisaitl... I mean not THAT good but he loves to score from there.

High IQ and uses his linemates to the best of their abilities.

 

[eco's bones]

The Canes have about $24 mil to work with but depending on whether they want to lock up Jarvis and Necas those two could take up half of that......and then there's the issue of whether or not they lose Pesce and Skjei and who's going to replace them if they do. Forget about Guentzel and to me Teravainen's a nice player but all the above are more important and it doesn't get any easier next year because they'll be looking at a bunch of others going to unrestricted and most importantly Jaccob Slavin. The Canes new guy is going to have to make some decisions. Good luck on that. Pesce, Skjei and Guentzel all could score huge contracts this summer starting at $7? $8? and Slavin next year the same. It's what happens sometimes when you have too many good players.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The Canes have about $24 mil to work with but depending on whether they want to lock up Jarvis and Necas those two could take up half of that......and then there's the issue of whether or not they lose Pesce and Skjei and who's going to replace them if they do. Forget about Guentzel and to me Teravainen's a nice player but all the above are more important and it doesn't get any easier next year because they'll be looking at a bunch of others going to unrestricted and most importantly Jaccob Slavin. The Canes new guy is going to have to make some decisions. Good luck on that. Pesce, Skjei and Guentzel all could score huge contracts this summer starting at $7? $8? and Slavin next year the same. It's what happens sometimes when you have too many good players.

Necas is requesting a trade, so the only guy they really need to make room for is Jarvis. Everything else is simply about whether they think certain guys are worth what they are about to get paid. I think it's quite possible that Guentzel is the one that stays.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

My guess is back to the Blackhawks

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

The Canes have about $24 mil to work with but depending on whether they want to lock up Jarvis and Necas those two could take up half of that......and then there's the issue of whether or not they lose Pesce and Skjei and who's going to replace them if they do. Forget about Guentzel and to me Teravainen's a nice player but all the above are more important and it doesn't get any easier next year because they'll be looking at a bunch of others going to unrestricted and most importantly Jaccob Slavin. The Canes new guy is going to have to make some decisions. Good luck on that. Pesce, Skjei and Guentzel all could score huge contracts this summer starting at $7? $8? and Slavin next year the same. It's what happens sometimes when you have too many good players.

Skjei = Gone
Pesce = Gone
TT = Gone

Jarvis = 8 year deal
Slavin = 8 year extension

Necas = who the hell knows
Guentzel = who the hell knows

Orlov moves into 2nd pair LHD to replace Skjei. We need a 2nd pair RD to replace Pesce and a 3rd pair LD to play with Chatfield.

 

[robbieberns]

If they have a ton why are Necas and Pesce going to be cap casualties then? That's what I mean, surely they can't be losing those 5 guys AND have no cap? Why don't they use the space to bring some back? Those are 5 very good players they are losing. It's very odd to me.

Think about it this way, Carolina hasn’t made the extra step with all these guys on expired contracts, so where’s the logic in bringing them back as they exit their peak years for even more money than they were on in their prime?

Skjei - would love him back if we didn’t have Slavin and a truly blue chip prospect in Nikishin coming over next year, just not a long term fit there

Pesce - most of us have seen and predicted his game falling off pretty quickly, too many teams desperate for a solid RHD that will give him way more term and money than we’d be willing to, more than happy to let another team make that mistake

Teravainen - best years are behind him, good two way guy who can play make but doesn’t move the needle in the playoffs, better off getting 5 years 6 million or something similar as a vet guy on a bad team supporting young talent

Noesen/Martinook - good hardworking bottom 6 guys that are valuable during the playoffs especially, will naturally get overpaid and the key is to identify and bring in guys like this before they get paid, not after

Necas - all the talent in the world but always struggled to find his fit on the team or build consistent chemistry with anyone, wants a shot at playing C and has made it clear he wants a change of scenery

Guentzel - everyone would love him back but it’s just not Carolina’s MO to give a guy 1.5-2 million more than they deserve, still hopeful something can be done

 

[eco's bones]

Necas is requesting a trade, so the only guy they really need to make room for is Jarvis. Everything else is simply about whether they think certain guys are worth what they are about to get paid. I think it's quite possible that Guentzel is the one that stays.

Subtracting another cap hit for whatever you get back for Necas then. I would think Carolina would a want a pretty good NHL player back + draft picks/prospects anyway.

Skjei = Gone
Pesce = Gone
TT = Gone

Jarvis = 8 year deal
Slavin = 8 year extension

Necas = who the hell knows
Guentzel = who the hell knows

Orlov moves into 2nd pair LHD to replace Skjei. We need a 2nd pair RD to replace Pesce and a 3rd pair LD to play with Chatfield.

Skjei and Pesce would be two big losses to the Canes D. That would hurt a lot.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Subtracting another cap hit for whatever you get back for Necas then. I would think Carolina would a want a pretty good NHL player back + draft picks/prospects anyway.


Skjei and Pesce would be two big losses to the Canes D. That would hurt a lot.

They have a pretty great contingency plan for Skjei. Orlov this season -> Nikishin next season. The only guy that could use a replacement is Pesce, though the Canes are high on Chatfield. I bet Carrier is the guy they go after.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

A $7.75 mil 3rd pairing D is a big time inefficiency. Carolina was able to afford it, but only in a one-off because of so many cap friendly contracts.

It’s really not losing Skjei and Pesce. It’s losing one of Skjei or Pesce. Orlov is replacing the other. And they still have the opportunity to go out and acquire a Top 4 UFA D without allocating as much to that position as they did in 23-24.

 

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Subtracting another cap hit for whatever you get back for Necas then. I would think Carolina would a want a pretty good NHL player back + draft picks/prospects anyway.



Skjei and Pesce would be two big losses to the Canes D. That would hurt a lot.

No one's saying it wouldn't be a big loss but we're not gonna pay them what they will command on the open market and their age doesn't fit with the timeline of the team.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Difficult player to put a value on. He’s kind of a Swiss Army knife… high skill but not a game changer, solid defense but not a shutdown guy, can adequately support an elite player but can’t lead a line of any kind. He shows up big sometimes but also disappears for long stretches. Not a perfect comparison, but he has the same dynamic that Jussi Jokinen used to have. You’re paying him for the games he shows up, tolerating him when he’s chipping in quietly, and annoyed when he’s just punching the time clock.

Fair value right now is probably around $6M but I have a feeling someone is going to overdo it on term and regret it a lot.

 

[biturbo19]

One of the misconceptions about Teravainen is that he's one-dimensional. Tuevo is an excellent defensive player. For a guy who is not physical, he wins most of his board battles and was often put on lines as the "responsible" defender. He and Aho were great penalty killers together (yes he was excellent on the PK).

Any team that get's him will get a smart distributor who is responsible in his own end, and has one of the better shots around. You will just always wish he used that rocket a bit more. TT never met a pass he didn't want to execute.

If he goes to Chicago, he will make any line he plays on significantly better.

I didn't necessarily mean to imply that Teravainen is "one-dimensional" per se. He's certainly not a liability defensively. I just don't know that i'd say his defensive play really defines him as a player either. To me, he's more...the sort of player you can put on any line and not worry about, rather than the sort of guy that you'd specifically want to deploy in a "matchup" role against the other team's best (like Aho or Staal).

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Rights to TT for Smith?

That’s an easy yes for me. Smith was not a fit with us, and I do think TT would be a nice left winger for Malkin.

 

[JaegerDice]

Would LOVE it if Chicago brought him back.

 

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I didn't necessarily mean to imply that Teravainen is "one-dimensional" per se. He's certainly not a liability defensively. I just don't know that i'd say his defensive play really defines him as a player either. To me, he's more...the sort of player you can put on any line and not worry about, rather than the sort of guy that you'd specifically want to deploy in a "matchup" role against the other team's best (like Aho or Staal).

I guess his defensive play doesn’t ‘define’ him as he is good at other things as well but he is a very good defensive forward. It’s right up there with his passing as one of his top skill sets

 

[emptyNedder]

Teravainen in SJ makes a lot of sense. Couture can provide leadership for Smith/Bordeleau/Eklund/Celebrini, but likely only for 1-2 years. TT on a 5-year deal could play on any of the top 3 lines.

 

[biturbo19]

I guess his defensive play doesn’t ‘define’ him as he is good at other things as well but he is a very good defensive forward. It’s right up there with his passing as one of his top skill sets

I suppose his defensive play is just not something that has ever really jumped out to me as exemplary. More just, "absolutely fine". In the background type thing. PK utility aside, as i find that an extremely commonly overrated measure of "defensive play", when it's actually more of a completely detached side metric. Lots of very good PKers who aren't that strong defensively 5v5, and guys who are good defensive players overall, but kind of suck on the PK. It's a completely different type of defending.

Teravainen in SJ makes a lot of sense. Couture can provide leadership for Smith/Bordeleau/Eklund/Celebrini, but likely only for 1-2 years. TT on a 5-year deal could play on any of the top 3 lines.

Is he really the sort of guy who would want to run out the rest of his career on a rebuilding team, very possibly never see the playoffs again?

I'm asking honestly, because i don't actually know that much about his demeanor/personality and drive.

 

[emptyNedder]

Is he really the sort of guy who would want to run out the rest of his career on a rebuilding team, very possibly never see the playoffs again?

I think TT, like most players, would prefer a sure playoff team. But I don't know of any who are willing to spend 5.5/6 at this point. Most "window" teams are either aiming for one big acquisition or already struggling with the cap.

 

[Double Dion]

Ah the player I wanted instead of Jankowski and Sieloff. Thanks for the decade of getting nothing out of that pick Feaster and Weisbrod!

 

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I suppose his defensive play is just not something that has ever really jumped out to me as exemplary. More just, "absolutely fine". In the background type thing. PK utility aside, as i find that an extremely commonly overrated measure of "defensive play", when it's actually more of a completely detached side metric. Lots of very good PKers who aren't that strong defensively 5v5, and guys who are good defensive players overall, but kind of suck on the PK. It's a completely different type of defending.



Is he really the sort of guy who would want to run out the rest of his career on a rebuilding team, very possibly never see the playoffs again?

I'm asking honestly, because i don't actually know that much about his demeanor/personality and drive.

It's just that TT is a very quiet player. He's not a 'hustle' type and plays a cerebral game. Unless he's making telekinetic passing plays with Aho he won't jump out as doing anything extrordinary but you can ask any Canes fan who watches him play regularly, he's a very good defensive player when it comes to stick work, takeaways, breaking things up on the counter attack. Maybe he's not a super 'complete' defensive player because he's definitely not a physical type at all.

I mean he's gotten some, albeit lower end, Selke votes, and essentially ever since the Canes org stopped being a complete disaster under Karmanos/JR/Peters he's been like +100 which is basically the same as Aho. He's not doing it by accident over the 7-8 years.

 

[biturbo19]

It's just that TT is a very quiet player. He's not a 'hustle' type and plays a cerebral game. Unless he's making telekinetic passing plays with Aho he won't jump out as doing anything extrordinary but you can ask any Canes fan who watches him play regularly, he's a very good defensive player when it comes to stick work, takeaways, breaking things up on the counter attack. Maybe he's not a super 'complete' defensive player because he's definitely not a physical type at all.

I mean he's gotten some, albeit lower end, Selke votes, and essentially ever since the Canes org stopped being a complete disaster under Karmanos/JR/Peters he's been like +100 which is basically the same as Aho. He's not doing it by accident over the 7-8 years.

It's probably ultimately just a difference in how we see things. In the same way that i think Mitchell Marner is a massively overrated "defensive player". Same sort of deal. He's positionally sound, lots of good little stick plays, racks up takeaways, etc. But overall just a player i'd call "fine" defensively, because that missing physicality component is still a big factor imo. As well as just the "reactive" rather than "proactive" nature of their defensive games. But he also gets his Selke votes...because that award has sort of lost the plot as far as i'm concerned. Become sort of the "Art Ross for players who don't noticeably suck defensively". But i'm obviously the outlier on that feeling. Per the way that award is voted every year now.

 

[behemolari]

Who is actually staying with the Canes? How can they not have any cap space? Losing Pesce, TT, Necas. Like how can they not afford 2/3 at least? They don't even have any really big tickets guys making 10-13 mil like a lot of teams do.

Skjei and Guentzel likely both gone. Like how are they so mismanaged that they are losing those 5 guys at once?

canes are going for a big fish?