Team USA vs. Team Sweden vs. Team Russia

[Ben White]

The U.S line of Ryan and Pavelski would get burned by a lack of speed. Pavelski should be playing center.

Too bad Larkyn's in one of the Donald Duck teams. Could've been Ryan - Pavelski - Larkyn

 

[Namba 17]

What do you mean? 4 means that he'd be a great 1st liner perhaps even occassionally an all star in "North America".

I mean that ATM he is the second-best RW in the world right after P.Kane.

 

[ViD]

Offensive wise:

Russia
USA
Sweden

Defensive Wise:

Sweden
USA
Russia

Goaltending Wise:

Russia - Sweden - USA

Overall

USA
Sweden
Russia

 

[ViD]

I mean that ATM he is the second-best RW in the world right after P.Kane.

Radulov is better than Tarasenko right now? Come on now

 

[Namba 17]

He might be a great player in Russia, but not in the entire world. He was one of the laziest players I've ever seen play in the NHL, with his ability. He left for Russia primarily because he wouldn't be paid nearly as much in the NHL

He has 102 points in 154 NHL games, including his rookie season. NHL must be some kind of beer league, if one of the laziest players can score there this amount of points.

 

[Namba 17]

Radulov is better than Tarasenko right now? Come on now

He is.

 

[Ben White]

He has 102 points in 154 NHL games, including his rookie season. NHL must be some kind of beer league, if one of the laziest players can score there this amount of points.

Not more?

 

[Atas2000]

What do you mean? 4 means that he'd be a great 1st liner perhaps even occassionally an all star in "North America".

So you basically imply Kessel is better than Radulov? That means you don't really know what's going on outside NA. And your russian roster is pretty absurd to show it.

 

[Atas2000]

He might be a great player in Russia, but not in the entire world. He was one of the laziest players I've ever seen play in the NHL, with his ability. He left for Russia primarily because he wouldn't be paid nearly as much in the NHL

So, you too have no idea there just repeating old, rusty NA narratives.

 

[Atas2000]

You didn't read my definitions guys...

(+) means playing better than general reputation. (-) the opposite.
How is Fordberg, H. Sedin and Zinanejad, for example, playing BETTER right now than usual??

The problem are your general reputation grades. They are silly at times.

 

[Ben White]

So you basically imply Kessel is better than Radulov? That means you don't really know what's going on outside NA. And your russian roster is pretty absurd to show it.

Kessel has 5 (-) that means he has a bigger star reputation not necessarily means he's playing better right now. Thats what the (-) indicates. NHL is still the superior hockey league world wide by the way, the best Russians go there. Radulov wasnt very good in the NHL for example, Kovalchuk was but is past prime.

 

[Ben White]

Roster Standards: Roster shape:
USA: 96............... 7(+) 8(-)
Sweden: 95 ..........6(+) 4(-)
Russia: 85 ............6(+) 4(-)

If not counting reserve goalies:

Roster Standards: Roster shape:
Sweden: 89 ..........5(+) 4(-)
USA: 87 ...............7(+) 7(-)
Russia: 78 ........... 5(+) 3(-)

Not much to split USA n Sweden, Russias D hurts them though

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Goaltending Wise:

Russia - Sweden - USA

Is that an even ranking ? Or 1-2-3 ?

 

[ChiGuySez]

US has great depth and a few gamebreaking talents, but doesn't quite have that elite #1 center up the middle, which in a tournament of all-stars means a heck of a lot.

Currently until Eichel and Larkin have a few more years and Matthews comes of age.

 

[Ben White]

Currently until Eichel and Larkin have a few more years and Matthews comes of age.

Didn't know Larkin's a natural center?

 

[ViD]

Is that an even ranking ? Or 1-2-3 ?

I believe it's even. All three countries have elite goalies, it's just a matter of what shape they come in and whether they catch a hot streak during the tourney.

 

[Atas2000]

Kessel has 5 (-) that means he has a bigger star reputation not necessarily means he's playing better right now. Thats what the (-) indicates. NHL is still the superior hockey league world wide by the way, the best Russians go there. Radulov wasnt very good in the NHL for example, Kovalchuk was but is past prime.

I think we don't need to discuss anything then, because your understanding of hockey is as biased as it gets. You won't get proper evaluation regarding your question if you think the best Russians all play in the NHL or REALLY believe Radulov wasn't very good in the NHL(are you too complacet to dig up the sats at least? I'm not even expecting you to evaluate his actual play).

Your NA/NHL bias won't let you see the obvious.

That's why in the recent WJC nearly nobody in NA expected Russia to medal. Because who knows those russian players? They play in those lesser leagues, right?

 

[Atas2000]

Roster Standards: Roster shape:
USA: 96............... 7(+) 8(-)
Sweden: 95 ..........6(+) 4(-)
Russia: 85 ............6(+) 4(-)

If not counting reserve goalies:

Roster Standards: Roster shape:
Sweden: 89 ..........5(+) 4(-)
USA: 87 ...............7(+) 7(-)
Russia: 78 ........... 5(+) 3(-)

Not much to split USA n Sweden, Russias D hurts them though

Your Russia's D is not Russia's D. You obviously have no idea about russan defencemen.

 

[Ben White]

Your Russia's D is not Russia's D. You obviously have no idea about russan defencemen.

Who would you choose then?

 

[1Gold Standard]

Who would you choose then?

Since the KHL is not going to brake for this tournament and probably not release any of its players to play in it, my guess would be something like this:

A MARKOV N ZAITSEV (looks to be singing with the Maple Leafs this off season)
E MEDVEDEV D ORLOV
D KULIKOV A MARCHENKO
N ZADOROV

 

[Ben White]

Since the KHL is not going to brake for this tournament and probably not release any of its players to play in it, my guess would be something like this:

A MARKOV N ZAITSEV (looks to be singing with the Maple Leafs this off season)
E MEDVEDEV D ORLOV
D KULIKOV A MARCHENKO
N ZADOROV

Off course Kulikov. How would you rate him? I'd give him a 3.

 

[Ben White]

The new version:

Roster breakdown:
(Players: Player ratings)


Team USA

LW Zach Parise: 5 (-) / C Tyler Johnson: 4 / RW Patrick Kane: 5 (+)
Max Pacioretty 5 (-) / Ryan Kessler 4 / Phil Kessel 5 (-)
James van Riemsdyk 4 (-) / Joe Pavelski 4 (+) / Blake Wheeler 4 (+)
Bobby Ryan 4 / Derek Stepan 3 / T.J. Oshie: 4 (-)
Chris Kreider 3 (+)

D Ryan Suter: 5 / D John Carlson: 4 (+)
Dustin Byfuglien 4 (-) / Justin Faulk 4 (+)
Kevin Shettinkirk 4 / Ryan McDonagh 4 (-)
Nick Leddy 3 (+)

G Jonathan Quick: 5
Ben Bushop: 5 (-)
Cory Schneider: 4



Team Sweden

LW Henrik Zetterberg: 5 (-) / C Nicklas Backstrom : 5 / RW Alex Steen: 4
Daniel Sedin: 5 / Henrik Sedin: 5 / Loui Eriksson: 4
Gabriel Landeskog: 4 / Gustav Nyqvist: 4 (-) / Filip Forsberg:4 (-)
Viktor Rask: 3 (+) / Carl Soderberg 3 (+) / Patrik Hornqvist: 3
Mika Zibanejad: 4 (-)

D Erik Karlsson: 5 (+) / Oliver Ekman-Larsson: 5
Victor Hedman: 5 / Anton Stralaman: 4 (+)
John Klingberg: 4 (+) / Niklas Hjalmarsson: 4
Alex Edler: 4

G Henrik Lundqvist: 5
Anders Nilsson: 3 (+)
Eddie Lack: 3 (+)



Team Russia

LW Alex Ovechkin: 5 (+) / C Evgeni Malkin: 5 / RW Vladimir Tarasenko: 5
Artemi Panarin: 4 (+) / Pavel Datsyuk: 5 (-) / Nikita Kucherov: 4
Ilya Kovalchuk: 4 (-) / Evgeny Kuznetsov: 4 (+) / Alexander Radulov: 4
Nikolay Kulemin: 3 (+) / Artem Anisimov 4 / Nail Yakupov 4 (-)
Vladislav Namestnikov: 3 (+)

D Andrei Markov: 4 / Yevgeni Medvedev: 3
Anton Belov: 3 / Dmirtij Kulikov: 3
Maxim Chudinov: 2 (+) / Alexei Emelin: 3
Yegor Yakovlev: 2

G Sergei Bobrovsky: 5 (-)
Semyon Varlamov: 4
Andrei Vasilevskiy: 3 (+)


Definition:
5 - All Star/Superstar
4 - Very good 1st liner/All Star
3 - Top 6 NHL F/Top 4 NHL D
2 - Top AHL/Bottom 6 or 4 NHL player
1 - Not NHL standard

(+) Means current level better than general reputation.
No (+) or (-) Plays on pair with his reputation.
- Currently worse than general reputation.

Edit:
A 4(+) player can actually be better, at this moment, than a 5(-) player.

 

[Atas2000]

Since the KHL is not going to brake for this tournament and probably not release any of its players to play in it, my guess would be something like this:

A MARKOV N ZAITSEV (looks to be singing with the Maple Leafs this off season)
E MEDVEDEV D ORLOV
D KULIKOV A MARCHENKO
N ZADOROV

KHL players will be there

 

[Atas2000]

Team Russia

LW Alex Ovechkin: 5 (+) / C Evgeni Malkin: 5 / RW Vladimir Tarasenko: 5
Artemi Panarin: 4 (+) / Pavel Datsyuk: 5 (-) / Nikita Kucherov: 4
Ilya Kovalchuk: 4 (-) / Evgeny Kuznetsov: 4 (+) / Alexander Radulov: 4
Nikolay Kulemin: 3 (+) / Artem Anisimov 4 / Nail Yakupov 4 (-)
Vladislav Namestnikov: 3 (+)

Kucherov and Anisimov both get a straight 4?

D Andrei Markov: 4 / Emelin: 3
Zaytsev gets a 3 just because he is young / Orlov 3(+) he is ovbviously a 4 for the years to come
Zadorov / Nesterov
Maxim Chudinov: 3 (+) / Marchenko / Provorov


G Sergei Bobrovsky: 5 (-) (really?)
Semyon Varlamov: 5 then Varlamov is at least a 5
Andrei Vasilevskiy: 3 (+)


Definition:
5 - All Star/Superstar
4 - Very good 1st liner/All Star
3 - Top 6 NHL F/Top 4 NHL D
2 - Top AHL/Bottom 6 or 4 NHL player
1 - Not NHL standard

(+) Means current level better than general reputation.
No (+) or (-) Plays on pair with his reputation.
- Currently worse than general reputation.

Edit:
A 4(+) player can actually be better, at this moment, than a 5(-) player.

I won't care about line combinations. Let's pretend it's just a list from best to worst.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

They all choke often. All you need to know is Finland and Canada are the best hockey countries.