Rabid Ranger
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I don't think there is any doubt Matthews is battling some significant injuries. Specifically involving his ability to shoot the puck. It's been an issue all year.
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Rabid Ranger
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Teams have to be willing to win ugly at this tournament and the U.S. is not often up to the challenge. Warsofsky didn't look happy today, so hopefully he uses this as an opportunity to send a message, mix things up. and prepare for the next game.
Yeah, that’s a good point… perhaps losing to Switzerland today is a blessing in disguise and we’ll play much better for the rest of the tournament instead of sleepwalking through the preliminary round and being unprepared once the quarterfinals start. I hope so, at least.
SanDogBrewin
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Never going to change. USA hockey fans "get what we get" every year at this tournament. There just arent enough Werenski and Larkins amongst the US NHL players when it comes to the World Championships.
And yes we pretty much always get, for this tournament, up n coming coaches, who cant adjust. We are stuck as US fans.
LoK apparently its fun for me pull my hair out about the US and the Worlds. Ill watch though cause I still teally like international hockey.
Maybe just maybe having Werenski and Swayman in net will change the results in the quarters. But im not holding my breathe. And im not blaming Daccord not his fault.
Rabid Ranger
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I don't think they are going to "shame" him in that way. I would keep Thompson on another line, maybe play him at center. Put a guy like Pinto with Keller/Cooley.
Rabid Ranger
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I would be contradicting if I agreed with you, but maybe that's the case.
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I think we need to hold off on praising Werenski. If anything his recurring WC saga of "when will he actually show up" perfectly sums up USAH at this tournament and how we don't take it seriously.
Werenski has been available since 4/18, announced as an addition with plenty of time to play in game 1, and yet he missed the first 3 games. Whereas a guy like MacKinnon plays in the playoffs, joins Canada, and plays in every game.
There is a serious lack of commitment.
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^^ Yes. ^^
As a Canadian, I wish Canada would lose a meaningless Round Robin game - I do NOT want them going into the playoff round undefeated.
U.S. fans should just forget about this bad game and know the loss will be better for the U.S. team in the long run.
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The other bad precedence this stuff sends is losing and losing this way sucks for young players. Getting these guys to come back when they are more established NHLers is the main problem and if they have shitty experiences,likely reason why many ghost this thing unless Kane shows up.
There is a core of young USA players here that have won WJC gold, if this group can win here I think they themselves will come back more and others like them will want to be here. We haven't seen a group of US kids like this ever with back to back WJC gold...can't ruin them...
Players don't like going to play in a tournament they lose every year. I hope Werenski has his superman cape on to save the day...
There is a core of young USA players here that have won WJC gold, if this group can win here I think they themselves will come back more and others like them will want to be here. We haven't seen a group of US kids like this ever with back to back WJC gold...can't ruin them...
Players don't like going to play in a tournament they lose every year. I hope Werenski has his superman cape on to save the day...
Its horrifically burned into my mind. Jack and Yager bombs will hopefully fix that later today...
Not sure Shane realizes his plane landed like 4 days ago....I am kidding of course....or am I???
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Don't let it bother you, AD. The U.S. will win its next couple games and you will forget about the Swiss game. There is NO way the U.S. does NOT (double negative) make the Quarters. Before then, nothing matters.
That is one of the issues with the World Championships - a LOT of meaningless games.
Thanks, absolutely looking forward to finishing 3rd in the division and getting rolled 8-2 by Sweden or your maple syrup loving Canada in the QF...good times ahead...good times.
I understand that this tournament is important for IIHF to grow the game and these small hockey nations needs to be able to take part. This is only hockey culture that many of these nations have. It's also good that there are many who have been able to improve their level. There are many who's going to the right direction. They are producing more reasonably high NHL Draft Picks and so on.
I would still reduce number of teams by one or two. 15 teams, three 5 team groups, two best from each group and two best third place teams to the quarters. This means max 7 games like it is in WJC and U18s. This would reduce three games from this way too long 7 game preliminary round. Other option would be 14 teams, two 7 team groups. This would reduce least that one most pointless game.
I would still reduce number of teams by one or two. 15 teams, three 5 team groups, two best from each group and two best third place teams to the quarters. This means max 7 games like it is in WJC and U18s. This would reduce three games from this way too long 7 game preliminary round. Other option would be 14 teams, two 7 team groups. This would reduce least that one most pointless game.
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What’s taking Werenski so long to get there, his team didn’t even make the playoffs, is he going by ship.
His situation is weird, was a few years back as well. I don't know what he was promised or what he has going on but I have said the same thing as well, if guys can't be committed here the entire time, we simply won't win. Players themselves aren't invested enough to show up day 1 when available, they shouldn't come no matter how big their name is. MAF dragged his 70 year old retired carcass here asap to play..Crosby and Mackinnon got here asap (Mac after a 7th game loss). That might be a bit unique for Canada but I bet its done to start that trend moving forward.
With Werenski I feel he told them please find others, if you desperately need me I can't get there until such and such date.. US held out hope for Lane Hutson, didn't get him (how shitty of a brother must Cole be to not be able to lure him here??) and here we are. I don't blame Werenski at all honestly, this is on USA Hockey to even be in these situations. Over 300 Americans laced up this year in the NHL, most ever, and we still scramble to find bodies here.
Werenski now has 4 games to do something out there, after almost 3 weeks off...I don't know what to expect from him, but he will be counted on to provide the spark.
''Defenseman Zach Werenski from the Columbus Blue Jackets arrived here today, but his equipment did not, so he was not in the lineup. He will be playing in his third IIHF Men’s World Championship and is one of three finalists for the Norris Trophy as the top defenseman in the NHL. Werenski is expected to be in the lineup on Wednesday''
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I think the World Championships would be cooler and better attended if they just combined the top 2 divisions, got rid of the group stage entirely and did a 32-team single elimination tournament. I haven't thought too hard about what that mean for IIHF Rankings and Promotion/Relegation but it would be a lot more interesting for me than jockeying around 7 games just to separate the Denmarks and Kazakhstans out from the teams that play in the single elimination tournament that ends up mattering.
Well.... That aint gonna happen. Cause that would mean 5 games for the winner. And would include even weaker teams like Spain, Croatia, Lithuania, Romania etc etc.
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Today you have 10 games for the best teams. The double amount. I think that is answer enough, when thinking about sponsors, TV-time, media who of course wants more games with the best players.
And if you take away Slovenia, Hungary and maybe Kazakhstan all teams could compete against each other on a good day. Just look at Austria against Sweden and Finland, and Norway against Czech who also deserved a point.
1/16
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Quarter
Semi
Finals
Today you have 10 games for the best teams. The double amount. I think that is answer enough, when thinking about sponsors, TV-time, media who of course wants more games with the best players.
And if you take away Slovenia, Hungary and maybe Kazakhstan all teams could compete against each other on a good day. Just look at Austria against Sweden and Finland, and Norway against Czech who also deserved a point.
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Re : "I think the World Championships would be cooler and better attended if they just combined the top 2 divisions,"
You lost me, WT. Don't they do that after week 1?
As you know, the tournament is simply too long. Too many 6-0 games against teams that have no chance. Having said that, the people at the tournament seem to be having a GREAT time so... maybe I'm not their target audience and they don't care what I think?
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
Werenski is a great add, but the team overall needs to be better. There wasn't a lot of cohesion or fight yesterday. Guys like Thompson and Keller need to play with some fire.
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