Olympics: Team USA 2022

[SanDogBrewin]

Good thing this QF campaign has left you satisfied.

You don't have any understanding of the word "satisfied" you aren't clever enough. Laughed at your statement that you didn't bring up that less NCAA players should have been brought over vs European players. You were the running around pushing the narrative.

And if you still think it was the players that lost the game against Slovakia or grabbing more KHL/SHL players would be the answer to a semi final birth. You need to stop commenting on and watching hockey.

 

[William H Bonney]

We need an outsider to take over USAH IMO. Someone who's ruthless against the old boys network, living on bygone glories, and validating our federation's success on junior tournaments. I'm sick of USAH talking about the Miracle on Ice or the 1996 World Cup. They were amazing historic events but they were 42 and 26 years ago. They don't matter in this era. And frankly, the U18 and U20 success don't mean much if we can't translate them into senior level success, either.

It would be refreshing to have USAH head honchos accountable to success. No more of this we tried hard, the boys battled, etc. I want executives and coaches who expect to win gold every time and own the failures when it doesn't happen. We certainly won't win gold every time but that ruthless pursuit will demand a program under continual evaluation and improvement, or else heads will turn.

I want coaches and executives who will admit this tournament was a failure. Full stop. Instead, I'm sure we'll hear about how young this team was, they were so close to moving on, they have bright futures, they're proud of the effort the team put in, and blah blah blah. Hogwash. They failed.

Who could have predicted this loser mentality:

“I could not be prouder of this group and the way they came together and represented our country,” said David Quinn, head coach of the U.S. Olympic Men’s Ice Hockey Team. “Losing the game is a tough pill to swallow, but when you get to the quarterfinals of the Olympics there are a lot of good teams and certainly credit Slovakia. This was a terrific group of players and they’ll always be Olympians.”

Get these people away from the federation.

 

[SoundAndFury]

You don't have any understanding of the word "satisfied" you aren't clever enough. Laughed at your statement that you didn't bring up that less NCAA players should have been brought over vs European players. You were the running around pushing the narrative.

And if you still think it was the players that lost the game against Slovakia or grabbing more KHL/SHL players would be the answer to a semi final birth. You need to stop commenting on and watching hockey.

What? Where did I make that statement? What I said was "NCAA vs. Europe isn't the focal point, getting the best players is". Meaning that I have nothing against good NCAA players like Sanderson or Beniers being on the team because they clearly belong there on merit. Some other guys, not so much. Just like I didn't understand picking Warsofsky, NCAA had nothing to do with it.

Talk about not being clever... It's more like you get so focussed on the supposed narrative you don't even understand the points people are actually trying to make.

And yes, grabbing those few guys that are clearly head and shoulders above the average European pro teams like Slovakia are full of would have clearly helped. Now it's confirmed by both common sense and the final result.

Telling me to watch hockey when your argument against Lasch was "he is just some ECHL guy" is beyond hilarious though. It's hard to even understand what you are aiming for saying that as you showed close to zero of actual hockey knowledge yourself in these conversations. Other than hurp-a-durping how amazing this team is.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

What? Where did I make that statement? What I said was "NCAA vs. Europe isn't the focal point, getting the best players is". Meaning that I have nothing against good NCAA players like Sanderson or Beniers being on the team because they clearly belong there on merit. Some other guys, not so much. Just like I didn't understand picking Warsofsky, NCAA had nothing to do with it.

Talk about not being clever... It's more like you get so focussed on the supposed narrative you don't even understand the points people are actually trying to make.

And yes, grabbing those few guys that are clearly head and shoulders above the average European pro teams like Slovakia are full of would have clearly helped. Now it's confirmed by both common sense and the final result.

Telling me to watch hockey when your argument against Lasch was "he is just some ECHL guy" is beyond hilarious though. It's hard to even understand what you are aiming for saying that as you showed close to zero of actual hockey knowledge yourself in these conversations. Other than hurp-a-durping how amazing this team is.

You only made a few points you dont know how to construct a hockey team, you comically hink more ex AHL/ECHL players would have made a better tean and you haven't a clue how USA hockey works.

USA lost because of idiotic coaching not because a few American players, playing overseas, weren't on team USA.

 

[SoundAndFury]

You only made a few points you dont know how to construct a hockey team, you comically hink more ex AHL/ECHL players would have made a better tean and you haven't a clue how USA hockey works.

Here we go, we came full circle. Good thing you do and have this amazing result to show for it To me, good players make a good team. To you, it's just "ex AHL/ECHL" and that's where your "knowledge" ends.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Here we go, we came full circle. Good thing you do and have this amazing result to show for it To me, good players make a good team. To you, it's just "ex AHL/ECHL" and that's where your "knowledge" ends.

Look forward to reading more of your trollish, nothing-better-to-do, dumb roster suggestions.

Good luck trolling other hockey nation team pages. You'll need all the luck you can get.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Who could have predicted this loser mentality:


Get these people away from the federation.

This is the same federation that had a GM circus just before these Games. At this point we should just destroy it from the top down.

 

[Hanji]

Look forward to reading more of your trollish, nothing-better-to-do, dumb roster suggestions.

Good luck trolling other hockey nation team pages. You'll need all the luck you can get.

The best team would have had a good mix of both. Vets and young guys aren't mutually exclusive.
Keep in mind, we lost to, as you say, AHL/ECHL veteran players.
Our young kids showed great skill but lacked physicality and poise vs older guys. And this was in the weak division.

 

[swoopster]

USAH is like our government... fully entrenched with insiders and hangers-on, doting out favors and making a nice existence for themselves. The same goes for US soccer. Both are one big f***ing old boys network who have been handed out far too much power. I'm so glad this year I retired from adult hockey and don't have to pay the $45 extortion fee to step on the ice!

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The best team would have had a good mix of both. Vets and young guys aren't mutually exclusive.
Keep in mind, we lost to, as you say, AHL/ECHL veteran players.
Our young kids showed great skill but lacked physicality and poise vs older guys. And this was in the weak division.

Actually they lacked finish as they had numerous opportunities to win the game at the very end
with Knies and OT with Beniers. The game was there to win and Rybar was solid, that's hockey. Slovaks aren't some group of stiffs.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

USAH is like our government... fully entrenched with insiders and hangers-on, doting out favors and making a nice existence for themselves. The same goes for US soccer. Both are one big f***ing old boys network who have been handed out far too much power. I'm so glad this year I retired from adult hockey and don't have to pay the $45 extortion fee to step on the ice!

How is that any different from any amateur sports organization? They all operate like this.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Actually they lacked finish as they had numerous opportunities to win the game at the very end
with Knies and OT with Beniers. The game was there to win and Rybar was solid, that's hockey. Slovaks aren't some group of stiffs.

I think that's fair. This was a game of missed opportunities.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

The best team would have had a good mix of both. Vets and young guys aren't mutually exclusive.
Keep in mind, we lost to, as you say, AHL/ECHL veteran players.
Our young kids showed great skill but lacked physicality and poise vs older guys. And this was in the weak division.

This thread, not saying you specific ally, US fans were lectured that the only team USA were favored against, in its division, was China. So now the US were in a weak division ? Not buying it.

The lack of physically and poise had a lead up until 46 seconds left. US were on there way regardless of Slovakias size or poise. Coaching decisions during the 5v3, OT and the final 2 minutes were what doomed the US.

Doesn't matter now Slovakia deserved to move on. Not taking anything away from there perseverance.

 

[swoopster]

This thread, not saying you specific ally, US fans were lectured that the only team USA were favored against, in its division, was China. So now the US were in a weak division ? Not buying it.

The lack of physically and poise had a lead up until 46 seconds left. US were on there way regardless of Slovakias size or poise. Coaching decisions during the 5v3, OT and the final 2 minutes were what doomed the US.

Doesn't matter now Slovakia deserved to move on. Not taking anything away from their perseverance.

Agreed, it was a game of what-ifs. Sadly Quinn who played at BU, home of one of the better powerplays, forgot what his old coach, Jack Parker espoused ... have a power-play specialist and a coach for that, on your team.

I could rattle on about changes in USAH, but it's mute at this point.

 

[kingsfan28]

Who could have predicted this loser mentality:


Get these people away from the federation.

When the 1 seed loses to the 8th seed, you'd think the coach would be a little upset instead of the participation losers speech.

 

[William H Bonney]

When the 1 seed loses to the 8th seed, you'd think the coach would be a little upset instead of the participation losers speech.

He probably took the team out to a pizza party afterwards to celebrate.

 

[Northerner]

We need an outsider to take over USAH IMO. Someone who's ruthless against the old boys network, living on bygone glories, and validating our federation's success on junior tournaments. I'm sick of USAH talking about the Miracle on Ice or the 1996 World Cup. They were amazing historic events but they were 42 and 26 years ago. They don't matter in this era. And frankly, the U18 and U20 success don't mean much if we can't translate them into senior level success, either.

It would be refreshing to have USAH head honchos accountable to success. No more of this we tried hard, the boys battled, etc. I want executives and coaches who expect to win gold every time and own the failures when it doesn't happen. We certainly won't win gold every time but that ruthless pursuit will demand a program under continual evaluation and improvement, or else heads will turn.

I want coaches and executives who will admit this tournament was a failure. Full stop. Instead, I'm sure we'll hear about how young this team was, they were so close to moving on, they have bright futures, they're proud of the effort the team put in, and blah blah blah. Hogwash. They failed.

At least the ladies are productive

 

[William H Bonney]

At least the ladies are productive

They've overplaying the veterans this tournament. The youngest players have showed well but don't get prime ice time.

 

[William H Bonney]

Failed Olympics for USAH. It won't stop the head honchos from all patting themselves on the backs, though.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Failed Olympics for USAH. It won't stop the head honchos from all patting themselves on the backs, though.

Our women can at least win gold and have been there recently, even if only once in a blue moon.

Our men, on the other hand...

 

[William H Bonney]

Our women can at least win gold and have been there recently, even if only once in a blue moon.

Our men, on the other hand...

The women have still been disappointing at the Olympics. They should win gold more frequently given the talent they produce and how often they've won the World Championships. Yet they almost always stumble in the Olympics.

 

[Signupnow]

Is it just me who put team USA among the tier 2 teams. They never win anything of note regardless of what their roster looks like on paper. They are papertigers who always choke in the big moments. As a swede facing USA is as worrying as facing a team like Slovakia who they just lost to. There's some loser culture there going back before I was born and that being said I am half way into the tomb.

 

[c9777666]

Is it just me who put team USA among the tier 2 teams. They never win anything of note regardless of what their roster looks like on paper. They are papertigers who always choke in the big moments. As a swede facing USA is as worrying as facing a team like Slovakia who they just lost to. There's some loser culture there going back before I was born and that being said I am half way into the tomb.

EVERYONE is a paper tiger except for ROC

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Is it just me who put team USA among the tier 2 teams. They never win anything of note regardless of what their roster looks like on paper. They are papertigers who always choke in the big moments. As a swede facing USA is as worrying as facing a team like Slovakia who they just lost to. There's some loser culture there going back before I was born and that being said I am half way into the tomb.

With all due respect to the other top hockey playing countries I would say that the U.S. generally underachieves across the board-especially at the senior men's level. We'll win the odd medal here and there at the Worlds and Olympics but overall the results are pretty disappointing.

 

[Czechboy]

With all due respect to the other top hockey playing countries I would say that the U.S. generally underachieves across the board-especially at the senior men's level. We'll win the odd medal here and there at the Worlds and Olympics but overall the results are pretty disappointing.

It is surprising given how good the program is and how good the players are.