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Olympics: Team Russia 2022

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vorky said:
If you speak Russian & following the situation, you would know that SKA has nothing to do with this statement. If this is the case, I do not know why you are bringing SKA, or even Kremlin to this issue.
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My limited Russian has let me down, as I thought Nazarov was a SKA administrator, though he is apparently a Putin
supporter according to my friends
 
WillyNy said:
Wait so the hockey club is the one coming forth with the accusations?
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SKA has nothing to do with this. This is Nazarov being Nazarov, and he's getting laughed at a lot in Russian social media.

I see no reason Panarin won't play in 2022.
 
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Feels off topic with the Nazarov controversy taking up the discussion, but Panarin is almost certainly still going to be a Russian Olympian.

Kuznetsov however is banned for cocaine use. And with Malkin also struggling badly right now it gives the Russians a potentially terrible group of centers. Can any of the great wingers be slid to center?
 
I’m sorry to have opened such a Pandora’s box of political debate, my question simply being given the evolving situation over the last 48 hours (whatever you think of the political dynamics behind it), do you think Panarin will be included in the national for next year’s Olympics?
 
Mathieukferland said:
I’m sorry to have opened such a Pandora’s box of political debate, my question simply being given the evolving situation over the last 48 hours (whatever you think of the political dynamics behind it), do you think Panarin will be included in the national for next year’s Olympics?
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Yes, Panarin will be on the team.
 
The center position looks kinda weak right now. especially without Kuznetsov. Wingers and goalies looks fantastic, and the defence actually looks promising i think. Will be a fun team to follow:thumbu:
 
Svechnikkov Malkin Kucherov
Ovechkin Kuznetsov Radulov
Panarin Kaprizov Tarasenko
Gurianov Barbashev Dadonov
Buchnevich

Provorov Zadorov
Segachev Orlov
Gavrikov Zaitsev
Romanov

Vasilevsky
Shesteyrkin
Bobrovsky
 
W/o Kuznetsov

Panarin - Malkin - Kucherov
Ovechkin - Namestnikov - Svechnikov
Gurianov - Grigorenko - Radulov
Mikheev - Barbashev - Nichushkin
Kaprizov

Provorov - Zaytsev
Sergachev - Gavrikov
Orlov - Kulikov
Romanov

Vasilevskiy
Khudobin
Bobrovskiy

Unfortunately wingers can`t win w/o centers and D
 
I would imagine at least 1 Center will come from KHL, maybe more then one.

Schipachyov is the favorite, but there are others.

Sergei Andronov already has an Olympic gold, as an assistant captain also. I would imagine he would be in consideration. As I've mentioned previously, his game fits this team well.

Kadeykin and Tkachyov both bring decent 2-way games.

Morozov and Voronkov both have taken steps forward in their development. Another step next season...
 
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MaxV said:
I would imagine at least 1 Center will come from KHL, maybe more then one.

Schipachyov is the favorite, but there are others.

Sergei Andronov already has an Olympic gold, as an assistant captain also. I would imagine he would be in consideration. As I've mentioned previously, his game fits this team well.

Kadeykin and Tkachyov both bring decent 2-way games.

Morozov and Voronkov both have taken steps forward in their development. Another step next season...
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I never was a proponent of a 4th line for Team Russia given our forward depth on the wings. That doesn't mean though we don't need big and/or defensively responsible forwards on the roster. I for my part don't see the need to have guys like Kadeykin or Andronov there. Tkachyov is really regressing.

The imergence of younger guys like Voronkov and Morozov is where I put my trust into. Voronkov could be that 4th line center. He needs an another year maybe, but I like him a lot. Homer vote of course, but then again I watch him every game and know him well. Morozov's rise as a playmaker is great too. He could be a 3C probably for a line that would have to feature speed, grit and goal scoring aside from Morozov's playmaking, which is really getting to that level by now.
 
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ValeriKamensky said:
W/o Kuznetsov

Panarin - Malkin - Kucherov
Ovechkin - Namestnikov - Svechnikov
Gurianov - Grigorenko - Radulov
Mikheev - Barbashev - Nichushkin
Kaprizov

Provorov - Zaytsev
Sergachev - Gavrikov
Orlov - Kulikov
Romanov

Vasilevskiy
Khudobin
Bobrovskiy

Unfortunately wingers can`t win w/o centers and D
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That is though a pretty bad take. The only way Grigorenko is in this, is maybe to reunite him with Gusev and Kucherov and try to build a potent line off Kucherov's dominance, like the 2012 WHC successful experiment with Malkin centering two KHLers. Namestnikov is an absolute emergency option if at all. Shipachyov is head and shoulders above theso two center option you have chosen. Kaprizov is somewhere like that:

Kucherov
Ovechkin
Svechnikov
Panarin
Kaprizov

on the wingers depth chart. So easily top 6. For now that is. I can see him bump a couple of guys on that list in the nearset future.

Mikheeyev seems to have trouble getting back on track after the injury. Let's see if he a Team Russia player at all. Nichushkin clearly isn't.
 
Atas2000 said:
That is though a pretty bad take. The only way Grigorenko is in this, is maybe to reunite him with Gusev and Kucherov and try to build a potent line off Kucherov's dominance, like the 2012 WHC successful experiment with Malkin centering two KHLers. Namestnikov is an absolute emergency option if at all. Shipachyov is head and shoulders above theso two center option you have chosen. Kaprizov is somewhere like that:

Kucherov
Ovechkin
Svechnikov
Panarin
Kaprizov

on the wingers depth chart. So easily top 6. For now that is. I can see him bump a couple of guys on that list in the nearset future.

Mikheeyev seems to have trouble getting back on track after the injury. Let's see if he a Team Russia player at all. Nichushkin clearly isn't.
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You could use Nichushkin on the PK and as a grinder on the fourth line which is a bit sad considering where he once was. A Telegin like role.
 
Atas2000 said:
I never was a proponent of a 4th line for Team Russia given our forward depth on the wings. That doesn't mean though we don't need big and/or defensively responsible forwards on the roster. I for my part don't see the need to have guys like Kadeykin or Andronov there. Tkachyov is really regressing.

The imergence of younger guys like Voronkov and Morozov is where I put my trust into. Voronkov could be that 4th line center. He needs an another year maybe, but I like him a lot. Homer vote of course, but then again I watch him every game and know him well. Morozov's rise as a playmaker is great too. He could be a 3C probably for a line that would have to feature speed, grit and goal scoring aside from Morozov's playmaking, which is really getting to that level by now.
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I think you are selling Andronov and Kadeykin short. Remember last World Cup? Telegin's selection angered everyone, but he ended up tied for team lead in points and had a good tournament overall. His game complimented the team well. I view Andronov and Kadeykin similarly.

There are players that are not good drivers for a line, but are very good passengers. They back- and fore-check very well, create traffic in front of the net and can finish chances that great play-makers create. Their selections will be viewed as a weakness for the team, but it doesn't mean that it will be during the tournament.
 
MaxV said:
I think you are selling Andronov and Kadeykin short. Remember last World Cup? Telegin's selection angered everyone, but he ended up tied for team lead in points and had a good tournament overall. His game complimented the team well. I view Andronov and Kadeykin similarly.

There are players that are not good drivers for a line, but are very good passengers. They back- and fore-check very well, create traffic in front of the net and can finish chances that great play-makers create. Their selections will be viewed as a weakness for the team, but it doesn't mean that it will be during the tournament.
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The problem with players of that skill level is they have a very short peak. They were selected to the world cup at their peak and did ok, but they are by far not there anymore.
 
The problem in most lists i see with AO.
For me at least 3 more forwards (wingers) are more valuable then AO (3 more from ATAS2000 list), especially what has he showed in all international games. The only good tournament i remember from him is from 2008, where he had already established chemistry with Fedorov and Semin otherwise he was very average at best.
Those 3 wingers are Radulov, Gusev and Dadonov. Gurianov i dont know/see much, maybe even him.
I see this pattern in thinking. Throw 3 big names and magic will happen. Like make line AO-Malkin-Kucherov. I think AO was tried with Malkin and it just didnt work.
Wingers i mentioned already showed great chemistry in some line combinations and are high iq players.
AO could be brought like PP specialist and maybe tried in line with 2 workers that will hustle for him, are defensively responsible and can contribute on offense. I always wanted to tried him with Andronov and Telegin type of players.
Can someone show me one tournament after 2008 when AO was contributing in meaningful way?
 
zbornaja36 said:
The problem in most lists i see with AO.
For me at least 3 more forwards (wingers) are more valuable then AO (3 more from ATAS2000 list), especially what has he showed in all international games. The only good tournament i remember from him is from 2008, where he had already established chemistry with Fedorov and Semin otherwise he was very average at best.
Those 3 wingers are Radulov, Gusev and Dadonov. Gurianov i dont know/see much, maybe even him.
I see this pattern in thinking. Throw 3 big names and magic will happen. Like make line AO-Malkin-Kucherov. I think AO was tried with Malkin and it just didnt work.
Wingers i mentioned already showed great chemistry in some line combinations and are high iq players.
AO could be brought like PP specialist and maybe tried in line with 2 workers that will hustle for him, are defensively responsible and can contribute on offense. I always wanted to tried him with Andronov and Telegin type of players.
Can someone show me one tournament after 2008 when AO was contributing in meaningful way?
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2012 WC ? And that was just for the knock out stages. Malkin was absolutely head and shoulders above anyone else.
 
zbornaja36 said:
The problem in most lists i see with AO.
For me at least 3 more forwards (wingers) are more valuable then AO (3 more from ATAS2000 list), especially what has he showed in all international games. The only good tournament i remember from him is from 2008, where he had already established chemistry with Fedorov and Semin otherwise he was very average at best.
Those 3 wingers are Radulov, Gusev and Dadonov. Gurianov i dont know/see much, maybe even him.
I see this pattern in thinking. Throw 3 big names and magic will happen. Like make line AO-Malkin-Kucherov. I think AO was tried with Malkin and it just didnt work.
Wingers i mentioned already showed great chemistry in some line combinations and are high iq players.
AO could be brought like PP specialist and maybe tried in line with 2 workers that will hustle for him, are defensively responsible and can contribute on offense. I always wanted to tried him with Andronov and Telegin type of players.
Can someone show me one tournament after 2008 when AO was contributing in meaningful way?
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2012 and 2014 WC.
 
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