Percentage wise from Finnish posters...what would you give Ollie Juolevis as his chance to make the team...
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If they intend to use MiG as a centre, then yeah, it is a combination worth considering. Another option could be to use Palola instead of Pesonen, because then the unit would have the same dynamic as that old Rajala - Granlund - Pulkkinen -line, which was one of the most lethal junior hockey combinations of its time.
On the minus side, in men's hockey a line like that could have some struggles with physicality. None of these players are small per se, and MiG especially as a career NHLer is not a pushover, but they'd still all be under six feet tall and of average weight.
Sigh. We really have a massive excess of this certain type this spring. More a winger than a centre, lefty, smallish, more a playmaker than a sniper. The list consists of Granlund, Aho, TT, Rajala, Manninen, Kiiskinen - and potentially Junttila and Haapala too. None of 'em are exactly useless for this level, but it is obvious that not all of 'em should make it.
Knock on wood, but right now it luckily looks kinda promising in regards to getting Rantanen and Koivu. Then we'd have a killer top-six, and Marjamäki can use the remaining euro pieces to build a solid third line around Suomela that should provide some secondary scoring. As for the fourth, we have Niemi and Anttila and I'm sure we can scrounge a suitable third piece from somewhere.
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I really don't know, maybe 60? Hard to say what Marjamäki thinks about him.
MoeTheHobo
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Finland doesn't have an overflow of offensive d-men, especially among the older guard so I think he has a good chance
Edit. Ofc, Marjamäki sure loves his defense first players
Vesalainen was impressive vs. HIFK but has been really underwhelming in the finals. As of right now, I see no chance Marjamäki picks him directly to the team, even as an extra. In fact, his odds of making it as a hang-around are even worse, since it would mean snubbing some guys who have been quite good on the camp, but don't really have room in the active lineup, because there will be more established names in the final team.
We really have too many suitable middle-six wingers ATM. Manninen, Rajala, Jormakka and Palola all IMO kinda deserve a spot, and Kiiskinen and Pesonen could end up impressing as well. But no way will there be room for all in the playing roster, so Marjamäki will still give a nod to as many as he can by picking the two extras from this group.
If the Preds management figured they can afford that, I'd say Tolvanen would be in Finland already. But since he isn't, the only chance to get him seems to hinge on the Jets winning. If that happens, then Eeli will certainly join. Finland's management will surely leave roster leave spots open as long as there's a chance - no matter how slim - to get either Tolvanen or Laine.
It's way too early to say. Too many variables in play. Ask us on Sunday, when Finland has played its final preliminary game, and we can evaluate Juolevi's performance against other hopefuls.
Right now, I have seven names with a notable edge over him, and he's not exactly a frontrunner for the final spot either, but among an even bunch of candidates. However, not all those ahead of him are locks by any means, so he now has three games to show his worth and raise his stock.
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Enlund-Niemi-Anttila seems to be locked 4th line and will probably start as a unit in WHC if EHT goes well. I believe it was a unit in some of the EHT games last weekend and also in the practices today and knowing how much Marjamäki likes Enlund. Niemi & Anttila seems like a no brainer link.
That line was indeed a staple - the only one - through the entire weekend, so Enlund isn't a bad bet. However, there may be other players Marjamäki may like for the role. He clearly digs Sallinen too, and we really can't discount Savinainen either. Finally, there's Peltola.
Sure, it's not a given that all of them are only vying for that one 4th line spot, they may well have their uses as balancing players in the upper lines too. However, if we really get Rantanen and Koivu, we don't have much room in top-six, and at least some of that more offensive-minded euro talent is probably going to make the cut as well, so some of those well-liked grinders may end up not making it.
I don't care about Enlund too much personally. Marjamäki will minimum select him for a reserve spot is my guess.
If Koivu comes the PK units are pretty much set; Niemi-Anttila and Koivu-Granny. That enables Marjamäki to be slightly greedier in picking few more offensive forwards like Palola and the likes, which is welcome after the way we exited the Olympics against Euro-Canada, zero goals. I don't want to see that again, even if our own end is in danger against top countries and it will be in danger regardless with those defenders.
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I know Kapanen is probably going to get sent down, but man would he be a nice piece to complement our top-six... presuming we get Koivu and Rantanen, of course.
Just yesterday, I was thinking, "which of the guys available to us would be most like Jason Zucker?" And despite being a righty while Zucker is a lefty, Kappy is otherwise such a ringer to him.
TT-Aho-Rantanen and MiG-Koivu-Kapanen... oh well, one can hope 'til those hopes are officially dashed.
Just yesterday, I was thinking, "which of the guys available to us would be most like Jason Zucker?" And despite being a righty while Zucker is a lefty, Kappy is otherwise such a ringer to him.
TT-Aho-Rantanen and MiG-Koivu-Kapanen... oh well, one can hope 'til those hopes are officially dashed.
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Koivu - man... a great leader, yet this team needs no more vet leaders (Kukkonen will do) but rather sparkling juvenile energy and new faces for the people and Mr. Koivu with all honesty and all respect is a contrary opposition, anthithesis of anything and everything young, new, juvenile, fresh, energetic, spontaneous, creative, interesting... We need young generation excitement and enthusiasm, not these wornout serious faces whose mobility and speed (of feet, thought, speech) remind those of a dried out birch log. Koivu - an anchor and dead serious weight holding the team and its free expression back, down and out, a dry voice killing joy and creative anarchy on ice. A relic whose time in the NT is over, at least in these spring time festivities, carnevals celebrating the birth of new life and joyful youth! - And Koivu - oh man... Seriously, guys lol.
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You're talking about top 10 defensive forward Koivu? While I'll agree we need to get younger but oh man, seriously guys lol
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I'd like to see the list of centers available to us who make Koivu obsolete.
Considering the Carolina duo isn't getting separated, we can have the choice of Aho or TT, though ideally both would be wingers. The same with Granlund, can play C, but better as a W.
And that's it for the NHL. From Europe, we have Suomela, who appears to have a bright future ahead of him... and who else? Niemi? Sandell? JM Järvinen?
Suomela and Niemi will almost certainly make this team, but at least for now, it'll be a cold day in the Devil's sauna if they take preference over the Captain.
Considering the Carolina duo isn't getting separated, we can have the choice of Aho or TT, though ideally both would be wingers. The same with Granlund, can play C, but better as a W.
And that's it for the NHL. From Europe, we have Suomela, who appears to have a bright future ahead of him... and who else? Niemi? Sandell? JM Järvinen?
Suomela and Niemi will almost certainly make this team, but at least for now, it'll be a cold day in the Devil's sauna if they take preference over the Captain.
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There are instances and situations in time and history, actually an abundance of examples in which too strong leadership and authority suppresses the rise of a new generation and its degees of freedom. And I would argue this case is a prime example of such an unwanted state of affairs realization of which would inhibit and hinder that crucial developmemt, change and creative expression waiting to be unlocked in these young up-coming players and also in the general outlook of the NT and its playing style. It is a structural, cultural and mental restriction and limitation a guy like Captain Finland with a wooden face and wooden voice would imply and impose on this team, its growth, chemistry and horizons. Simply, his shadow is too big and his voice too dry. In effect, he would discourage the ”undisciplined” creation of game on demand we neeed to move forward in the evolution of Team Finland and the game, in general.
It might sound paradoxical out of the box thinking but even better. Here we have a valid reason to leave these too iconic figures (larger than life: bigger than their real contiribution to the team and process, the ’contribution’ being rather harmful) out of this bubbling soup of young energy. It is a devlopment question, a confidence question, a responsibility (transfer) question, a question of cultural change, a question of empowerment and trust, of creative freedom and rise of new thinking and era.
It might sound paradoxical out of the box thinking but even better. Here we have a valid reason to leave these too iconic figures (larger than life: bigger than their real contiribution to the team and process, the ’contribution’ being rather harmful) out of this bubbling soup of young energy. It is a devlopment question, a confidence question, a responsibility (transfer) question, a question of cultural change, a question of empowerment and trust, of creative freedom and rise of new thinking and era.
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These upcoming games got slightly more interesting (for us), because of recent adding's, but still....i fear because of Marjamäki,
things doesn't look that gloomy now, i hope...but because of our craptastic coach and system, i see no decent result for us,
well, not even a decent result that is.
things doesn't look that gloomy now, i hope...but because of our craptastic coach and system, i see no decent result for us,
well, not even a decent result that is.
A month ago I had zero interest in the team. Today I am getting were excited with all of these young guns joining the tournament, its awesome. There have been some signs of Marjamäki trying a new strategy instead of the rigid 1-0 hockey, hopefully they go for a fresh new style.
The defense is still a bit suspect as always, but this offensive group has potential.
The defense is still a bit suspect as always, but this offensive group has potential.
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To a certain extent I actually agree. The 2011 WHC champion team was finally Mikko Koivu´s team. We had a group of exceptional leaders in the generation and "finally" not one of them was in that team. I still don´t think that this is Mikko Rantanen´s team. He does have the leadership, will and he is starting to have the "results" too. Saku Koivu was exceptional leader, but even he was mentored few years. I don´t think it´s good to put the preasure on too young player. (Yeah, yeah, yeah they give the C to a young star player in NA, but I´m not fan of it)
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FinPanda
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Looking good boys!
Now let's get Koivu, and hopefully Lehtinen can work his magic and get Kapanen somehow.
Afterall, it's true, Kapanen has zero to prove at the AHL level. I really hope by the 2018-2019 season, he is a full-time NHLer and no more AHL stints.
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Teräväinen - Aho - Rantanen
Kapanen - Koivu - Granlund
Savinainen - Suomela - Palola
Enlund-Niemi-Anttila
Komarov?
Kapanen - Koivu - Granlund
Savinainen - Suomela - Palola
Enlund-Niemi-Anttila
Komarov?
This post made me smile. I know, not a serious post but yes Koivu has that overly serious appearance and you nailed it. If Toews is called captain serious or something like that, then Koivu is the Finnish version. Before anyone jumps on me, I'll say that of course I would take Koivu for this WHC squad.
I hope they will wait for a goalie
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if rinne or saros want to come they should wait on one of them!
Nashville-Winnipeg will end 10th of may the latest
if rinne or saros want to come they should wait on one of them!
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