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WJC: Team Finland 2018 U20 WJC Roster Talk

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Hockeyisl1fe said:
Can't match in terms of forwards? Very curious to see a better forward than Tolvanen in those teams... other than him: Kuokkanen, Heponiemi and Vesalainen are having great season. Definitely a no match to such superior teams. What was the point of your comment btw? No one has said this is a guarenteed medal team, but we righteously have high hopes.
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No doubt you should have high hopes. This finnish team is legit. But outside of those 4- solid forwards, the rest of the forwards would have a difficult time being invited to camp for Canada and the US.
 
I agree that our biggest battle in this tourney is the ice, too many bad memories.
 
Hockeyisl1fe said:
Can't match in terms of forwards? Very curious to see a better forward than Tolvanen in those teams... other than him: Kuokkanen, Heponiemi and Vesalainen are having great season. Definitely a no match to such superior teams. What was the point of your comment btw? No one has said this is a guarenteed medal team, but we righteously have high hopes.
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I'm well aware Tolvanen is having a great season in Europe however I personally would rank Nylander, Pettersson, Mittelstadt, Tkatchuk, Kyrou, Steel and Svechnikov all as better forwards at the moment. Tolvanen was virtually invisible last year in the world juniors so I'm still waiting to see him perform on North American ice. And I was just making the point that I'm curious to see if Finland will have the forward depth to go far because their bottom 6 is weak compared to Canada and the US in that division.
 
Innala,Jääskä over Turkulainen,Moilanen....idiot!!!.

I wonder...are we ever gonna see an actual Suomen Jääkiekko Maajoukkue at worlds,juniors,olympics? .
- you know...without defensive forwards,role players.

Who is the first coach to take the "risk" and select 4 scoring lines.
- personally, i'm sick and tired hearing the same goddamn sorry
explanation why we pick those players instead of goal scorers,play makers.

FYI we have plenty of depth,width... what comes to good players
we have good,great players even here in Finland and in NA,Europe
from where to choose.
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
Innala,Jääskä over Turkulainen,Moilanen....idiot!!!.

I wonder...are we ever gonna see an actual Suomen Jääkiekko Maajoukkue at worlds,juniors,olympics? .
- you know...without defensive forwards,role players.

Who is the first coach to take the "risk" and select 4 scoring lines.
- personally, i'm sick and tired hearing the same goddamn sorry
explanation why we pick those players instead of goal scorers,play makers.

FYI we have plenty of depth,width... what comes to good players
we have good,great players even here in Finland and in NA,Europe
from where to choose.
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I was simply making a comparison of the Finnish bottom 6 to US/Canada bottom 6. Canada's "4th line" has a player who started in the NHL this year and their 13th forward is currently leading the canadian hockey lead in goals. Finland will be really good, and sure they can win this but some of their cuts are questionable. The way hockey is trending the other top teams have 4 scoring lines...Finland looks like they have 2.
 
carlhockey said:
I was simply making a comparison of the Finnish bottom 6 to US/Canada bottom 6. Canada's "4th line" has a player who started in the NHL this year and their 13th forward is currently leading the canadian hockey lead in goals. Finland will be really good, and sure they can win this but some of their cuts are questionable. The way hockey is trending the other top teams have 4 scoring lines...Finland looks like they have 2.
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No no no no...this wasn't for you,i didn't reply to what you said,no
this was just my personal "rant",thats all. Merry Christmas.
 
carlhockey said:
I was simply making a comparison of the Finnish bottom 6 to US/Canada bottom 6. Canada's "4th line" has a player who started in the NHL this year and their 13th forward is currently leading the canadian hockey lead in goals. Finland will be really good, and sure they can win this but some of their cuts are questionable. The way hockey is trending the other top teams have 4 scoring lines...Finland looks like they have 2.
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So what if we ( Finland) have 2 scoring lines is it a problem for you?
PS Finland has played really well always when they have been clear underdog don't forget that.
Merry Christmas.
 
carlhockey said:
From a hockey standpoint, yes nowadays you need 4 scoring lines.
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If we ( Finland) would have Canada's and USA's player pool we would have four scoring lines.
But Finland isn't Canada or USA so that's why we don't have four scoring lines.

So where do we get something what we do not have.
Your Canadians should start to realize that all other ice hockey countries do not think of a game like you
Also Finland has always played well when they have been clear underdog.

But now i have other things to do.
So i'don't have time or passion or any else interest to continue this arguing with you.
Merry Christmas and have a nice day.
 
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Good/Great players (forwards) that could of been in these games
- these players comes to mind:

- Kotkaniemi (Ässät) 34-6+8=14 | C/W
- Turkulainen (JYP) 29-5+11=16 | W
- Moilanen (Thunderbirds) 28-16+10=26 | W
- Oksanen (Pats) 35-12+19=31 | W
- Somppi (Mooseheads) 26-11+25=36 | C
- Ranta (Musketeers) 20-9+4=13 | W
- Klementti (Kalpa jr) 33-21+22=43 | W
 
FinnHockeyFan said:
If we ( Finland) would have Canada's and USA's player pool we would have four scoring lines.
But Finland isn't Canada or USA so that's why we don't have four scoring lines.

PS Finland has always played well when they have been clear underdog.
But now i have other things to do so i' don't have time or passion to continue this arguing with you.
Merry Christmas and have a nice day.
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THIS.......this is the sorry,generic explanation i cannot stand...complete BULL
ive heard it like million times by know...sorry fellow finn , Merry Christmas
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
I thought Ahokas was a great coach.
- Vesalainen just isn't good enough player to play with Tolvanen,
his hockey IQ and skating just isn't good enough 5 on 5.

I guess Ahokas believes putting Hepo to second would create
more scoring (chances),which it won't,it might work with Turkulainen
as right winger in 2nd,but he might go with Koivula.

I do not like these line-ups at all, if they are final.
- What do players like Innala&Jääskä bring to this team?.
Ikonen should be our extra forward.

I have a baaaaaad feeling about these games......
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I think you're wrong about Vesalainen. His skating is very good. He's leading his Liiga team in scoring. He's more than good enough to match up with u-20 competition.
 
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Hockeyisl1fe said:
"Offensive prowess" in the bottom 6 is very much on the same level. I find your arguments slightly clueless of how this team is "not even close" to the level of other top teams, no offense.
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Never said that they weren't at the level of the top teams at all, don't be ignorant. I said that their bottom 6 is inferior to other teams, and it is. Their bottom 6 is slightly above average just like Sweden's but no where near the level the US and Canada teams have in their bottom 6.
 
carlhockey said:
I'm well aware Tolvanen is having a great season in Europe however I personally would rank Nylander, Pettersson, Mittelstadt, Tkatchuk, Kyrou, Steel and Svechnikov all as better forwards at the moment. Tolvanen was virtually invisible last year in the world juniors so I'm still waiting to see him perform on North American ice. And I was just making the point that I'm curious to see if Finland will have the forward depth to go far because their bottom 6 is weak compared to Canada and the US in that division.
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I think you are in a surprise if you think even half of those players are currently better than Tolvanen.

Tolvanen, while being invisible, still played a PPG tournament last year as a 17-year-old. Tolvanen was also the most dangerous players on ice against Canada in Karjala Cup a month ago. He has improved a lot in one year like most players in his age.

But I agree on that Finland doesn't have the forward depth in their bottom-6 which could turn out to be their biggest disadvantage in this tournament when it comes to competing in gold.
 
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One forward and one defenceman will not play in the preliminary round(?). They choose if they need a defenseman or a forward, the other won't play at all. So they picked one extra player.
 
FinPanda said:
One forward and one defenceman will not play in the preliminary round(?). They choose if they need a defenseman or a forward, the other won't play at all. So they picked one extra player.
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In other words, they start with 12+7 and figure out at a later date whether they have more need for a forward or a d-man.

It's a novel approach, but makes quite a bit of sense. Unexpected things may happen. A good example was in 2016 when they lost Sopanen early on and then there was the stomach bug thanks to which they could dress only four d-men for one of the games.
 
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