Team defense

[Xspyrit]

Don't kid yourself, all NHL teams would still want Chabot if they had the space. Chabot isn't the problem, our team defence is.

I think a LOT of teams are hoping and waiting on the Sens wanting to make changes... They cursed like crazy when Dorion got fired though

a #3/4 D man. One who is a defensive liability. Often injured.. Does not score (or produce offense) at an elite level.

will be owed 10 m, 10 m, 10 m and 8 m.. all the while his AAV is 8 M..

If indeed he is in demand.... Then go... orchestrate the traded ASAP. Get what you can.

I'm sorry but anybody saying Chabot is not a top pairing D-man can't be taken seriously... It's like saying Spezza was a 3rd line Center...

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I think a LOT of teams are hoping and waiting on the Sens wanting to make changes... They cursed like crazy when Dorion got fired though



Anybody saying Chabot is not a top pairing D-man can't be taken seriously... It's like saying Spezza was a 3rd line Center...

Sorry but Spezza was a top line centre significantly more than Chabot is a top pairing D

 

[Xspyrit]

Sorry but Spezza was a top line centre significantly more than Chabot is a top pairing D

Chabot is 2nd in TOI/GP since 2018-19 among all NHL players (Doughty is first) and 17th in PPG. He was 21 years old in 2018-19

He's not perfect (like every player) but he has had terrible linemates (like Zaitsev) and went through a whole rebuild lead by people like Melnyk, Dorion and DJ Smith...

Send him to an healthy organization and watch him go

And Spezza was not very good defensively. Chabot has better advanced stats than Spezza had

 

[DrEasy]

The only one who seems to shine in our "system" is Zub. Doesn't panic, finds some quick short passes that get us out of trouble. Having said that, he was way out of position on the first goal.

 

[Big Muddy]

Agreed. But last night, they seemed to move the puck very effectively when they gained possession in their own zone. At least in the 1st period, they always managed to exit the zone with control, which made for a better offensive zone entry, as they moved up the ice as a unit. Yet they still managed to allow some dangerous shots against and Forsberg was a sieve. I’m at the no-more-excuses stage like most here, but I was encouraged by their play against the islanders.

They collapsed in the 2nd period though allowing three goals in about 3 minutes. They looked flat in the 3rd period as well and couldn't generate anything. They can look good for 20 or 30 minutes in a game (like last night), but the game is 60 minutes long.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Watching other teams it’s crazy how much more chaotic we look than basically anyone else. Our players certainly move their feet a lot. And get no where

 

[Ice-Tray]

Chychrun has not been very good

Agreed, we definitely miss Chabot.

 

[Micklebot]

Agreed, we definitely miss Chabot.

He's become the most underrated player on this team.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Team defense has been an issue for years. Mike Reilly who was/is shit played like a top-4 D on the Bruins. This is not a personnel issue.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think the most reasonable solution is to dismiss the coaching staff or at least DJ, Cap, Payne, and then bring up Bell as interim until the GM is hired.

That way you don’t need to bring in a temp guy from outside the organization

 

[Golden_Jet]

Team defense has been an issue for years. Mike Reilly who was/is shit played like a top-4 D on the Bruins. This is not a personnel issue.

On the Providence Bruins he was, not for Boston, their fans wanted him punted after half a season.

 

[Cosmix]

Don't kid yourself, all NHL teams would still want Chabot if they had the space. Chabot isn't the problem, our team defence is.

Sounds like coaching is the problem.

Islanders 4th goal last night .. 6 seconds after the Islanders took a 3-1 lead on the PP; No time out; not taking care of the puck; getting drawn out of position; not making a save on a stoppable puck. It all starts with Chychrun here at the face off at center.


Chychrun trys to take the puck on a won draw with one hand and gets stripped .. this puck should have been the Sens
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Isles take it. Chychrun has taken himself out of positionView attachment 773121
JBD comes over to attack the puck carrier leaving Lee open behind him
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Lee shoots it from here and scores short side
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Amateur high risk play by Chychrun!
Bad goaltending!
Equals 1GA

 

[Cosmix]

Stability is not a valid objective!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Stability is not a valid objective!

Nah after that euro trip we were objectively stable. Gord Wilson even says so

 

[DJB]

Wait we play team defense?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Look

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Team defense has been an issue for years. Mike Reilly who was/is shit played like a top-4 D on the Bruins. This is not a personnel issue.

Mike Reilly was bad before coming here. And played fine with zub.

 

[BondraTime]

Mike Reilly has never been good in the NHL, anywhere.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Mike Reilly was bad before coming here. And played fine with zub.

That's not because he was fine that's because Zub made him look barely passable. He's terrible. Just as terrible as Alex f***ing gelchenyuk

 

[Xspyrit]

So how much better on paper that group is :

Drew Doughty (soon 34 y/o)
Mikey Anderson
Matt Roy
Vladislav Gavrikov
Jordan Spence
Andreas Englund
Cam Talbot
Pheonix Copley

vs this group :

Thomas Chabot
Jakob Chychrun
Jake Sanderson
Artem Zub
Erik Brannstrom
Travis Hamonic
Jacob Bernard-Docker
Joonas Korpisalo
Anton Forsberg

What about this group :

Quinn Hughes
Filip Hronek
Ian Cole
Tyler Myers
Carson Soucy
Noah Juulsen
Mark Friedman
Thatcher Demko
Casey DeSmith

And yet, these teams give up 1 less goal per game on average, which is gigantic

What about Gustav Forsling, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Niko Mikkola, Dmitry Kulikov, Uvis Balinskis, Josh Mahura, Sergei Bobrovsky and Anthony Stolarz?

 

[Cosmix]

I think the most reasonable solution is to dismiss the coaching staff or at least DJ, Cap, Payne, and then bring up Bell as interim until the GM is hired.

That way you don’t need to bring in a temp guy from outside the organization

I don't think Bell is the guy. A young Jacques Martin would do nicely. Claude Julien?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That's not because he was fine that's because Zub made him look barely passable. He's terrible. Just as terrible as Alex f***ing gelchenyuk

Hey. Hey. Don’t. f***ing say that

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Hey. Hey. Don’t. f***ing say that

Alex Galchenyuk sucks​

 

[Micklebot]

Alex Galchenyuk sucks​

Like, as a person? Hockey player? Both?

I can get behind all three options, I just want to make sure we're clear.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Like, as a person? Hockey player? Both?

I can get behind all three options, I just want to make sure we're clear.