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-31- said:
My bad.

The possibility that St. Louis had fallen off a cliff permanently was something that was brought up by the "I hate everything, everything is terrible" crowd.
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Most of the discussion centered on whether or not it was a good trade. Which is still debatable. And he still has scored only one goal here.
 
McRanger said:
No. It's not. At all.

All the stats are from fixed starting times and cover all the teams stats over that period. It was not just deleting the Rangers first month and comparing those stats to the current numbers of rest of the league.

All the teams Points, GF, GA and games shift. That is how you track trends. That is how you can tell whether a team is improving. And, maybe, try to figure out how they will perform in the future. Which is really all that matters as we approach the playoffs.

For example, this is the Rangers breakdowns over some set periods:
-------------------------PPG------GFG-----GAG----Goal Differential
Entire Season---------1.173----2.691----2.370----0.321 (9th in NHL)
Since November------1.227----2.879----2.273----0.606 (5th in NHL)
Since January--------1.324----3.081----2.108----0.973 (2nd in NHL)
Since deadline-------1.368----2.947----1.842-----1.105 (2nd in NHL)
and for comparisons:
'11-'12 Season-------1.329-----2.756------2.280-----0.476 (6th in NHL)

These are the stats compared to all the other NHL teams. This is a direct comparison of the Rangers numbers versus the rest of the league numbers over that same time period. Points per game. Goals for per game. Goals against per game. And goal differential. In another thread I broke it down this way and by individual month. No team is untouched. At all. In any way.

The November one includes the Rangers awful December run. The final two include the end-of-the-world 3 game losing streak in March. And the entire season includes all of the above, and of course the Rangers horrific first few games.

The purpose of these stats is to see try and predict how a team is trending as to see how they might perform in the future. And in that way people can interpret these stats however suits them.
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A+ Post :handclap:
 
McRanger said:
No. It's not. At all.

All the stats are from fixed starting times and cover all the teams stats over that period. It was not just deleting the Rangers first month and comparing those stats to the current numbers of rest of the league.

All the teams Points, GF, GA and games shift. That is how you track trends. That is how you can tell whether a team is improving. And, maybe, try to figure out how they will perform in the future. Which is really all that matters as we approach the playoffs.

For example, this is the Rangers breakdowns over some set periods:
-------------------------PPG------GFG-----GAG----Goal Differential
Entire Season---------1.173----2.691----2.370----0.321 (9th in NHL)
Since November------1.227----2.879----2.273----0.606 (5th in NHL)
Since January--------1.324----3.081----2.108----0.973 (2nd in NHL)
Since deadline-------1.368----2.947----1.842-----1.105 (2nd in NHL)
and for comparisons:
'11-'12 Season-------1.329-----2.756------2.280-----0.476 (6th in NHL)

These are the stats compared to all the other NHL teams. This is a direct comparison of the Rangers numbers versus the rest of the league numbers over that same time period. Points per game. Goals for per game. Goals against per game. And goal differential. In another thread I broke it down this way and by individual month. No team is untouched. At all. In any way.

The November one includes the Rangers awful December run. The final two include the end-of-the-world 3 game losing streak in March. And the entire season includes all of the above, and of course the Rangers horrific first few games.

The purpose of these stats is to see try and predict how a team is trending as to see how they might perform in the future. And in that way people can interpret these stats however suits them.
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Burn you at the stake for this witchcraft!
 
True Blue said:
Most of the discussion centered on whether or not it was a good trade. Which is still debatable. And he still has scored only one goal here.
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Yes, I remember that we debated whether it was a good trade or not. Thank you.
 
McRanger said:
No. It's not. At all.

All the stats are from fixed starting times and cover all the teams stats over that period. It was not just deleting the Rangers first month and comparing those stats to the current numbers of rest of the league.

All the teams Points, GF, GA and games shift. That is how you track trends. That is how you can tell whether a team is improving. And, maybe, try to figure out how they will perform in the future. Which is really all that matters as we approach the playoffs.

For example, this is the Rangers breakdowns over some set periods:
-------------------------PPG------GFG-----GAG----Goal Differential
Entire Season---------1.173----2.691----2.370----0.321 (9th in NHL)
Since November------1.227----2.879----2.273----0.606 (5th in NHL)
Since January--------1.324----3.081----2.108----0.973 (2nd in NHL)
Since deadline-------1.368----2.947----1.842-----1.105 (2nd in NHL)
and for comparisons:
'11-'12 Season-------1.329-----2.756------2.280-----0.476 (6th in NHL)

These are the stats compared to all the other NHL teams. This is a direct comparison of the Rangers numbers versus the rest of the league numbers over that same time period. Points per game. Goals for per game. Goals against per game. And goal differential. In another thread I broke it down this way and by individual month. No team is untouched. At all. In any way.

The November one includes the Rangers awful December run. The final two include the end-of-the-world 3 game losing streak in March. And the entire season includes all of the above, and of course the Rangers horrific first few games.

The purpose of these stats is to see try and predict how a team is trending as to see how they might perform in the future. And in that way people can interpret these stats however suits them.
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I understand this but I was talking about a specific post. What you just posted is exactly what I was advocating...

SnowblindNYR said:
Burn you at the stake for this witchcraft!
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This is exactly what I was asking for.
 
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That said, I agree with what Fitzy and Inferno had to say. I'm concerned about our slot coverage, but things tighten up in the playoffs, so hopefully that aspect of our defense will as well.
 
aufheben said:
I understand this but I was talking about a specific post. What you just posted is exactly what I was advocating...



This is exactly what I was asking for.
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Not everyone has access to league wide trends. Without those you do best with what you have as a guide.
 
The drop off from McDonagh to Diaz/Moore is a lot better than when it was McD to Stu Bickel lol. Even with Mac elevating his game greatly in the time since.
 
I think the important thing is not how many goals we necessarily give up but why are we giving them up. Unfortunately, it seems when we don't have the good first pass in the defensive zone we get caught in our own zone against heavy fore-checking teams. With McD and Moore, or Diaz they help a lot with great skating and allowing our defense to have the ability to skate the puck out of the zone.
 
BTW, anyone else here started watching the Rangers during their dark years? The first year I started watching them they were either 29th or 30th in defense. What I would give back then have a D half as good as what we have now.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
BTW, anyone else here started watching the Rangers during their dark years? The first year I started watching them they were either 29th or 30th. What I would give back then have a D half as good as what we have now.
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My first year really watching was 1996-97. I think I shed a tear when they clinched the playoffs in 2006.
 
-31- said:
My first year really watching was 1996-97. I think I shed a tear when they clinched the playoffs in 2006.
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How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I was old enough to watch in the 90s and understand some things by the late 90s, but I had no cable and I also didn't really have the patience as a kid. I'm 27 btw.
 
It's an 82 games season, and no matter how you look at it, their record will be one of the following:

46-31-5
45-32-5
45-31-6

Doesn't matter who got hurt, who got sick, or who the coach is/was. The results are the results!
 
yrrebbor said:
It's an 82 games season, and no matter how you look at it, their record will be one of the following:

46-31-5
45-32-5
45-31-6

Doesn't matter who got hurt, who got sick, or who the coach is/was. The results are the results!
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So many cliches so little time. If record meant everything then the team with the best record would win every cup.
 
Too early to judge. Let's see what the numbers look like next year.
 
Good stuff with the stats. Had no idea it was that close.

My apologies if this has been mentioned, since I didn't read through the entire thread, but one big difference I have noticed is we're not trapped in our zone as much. This team doesn't defend as well, but the more liquified system prevents us from getting trapped in our own zone for minutes at a time. That was a game-changer under Torts. We would get pinned and dominated for long stretches on a game-by-game basis.
 
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